Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #44

[Thepoet]

Requests for expanded media coverage:
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/18cr2003 EMC filed by 9News .pdf
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/18cr2003 EMC filed by KCNC .pdf
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/18cr2003 EMC filed by Denver 7 .pdf
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/18cr2003 EMC filed by The Coloradoan.pdf
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/18cr2003 EMC filed by MRS Productions.pdf

Good job! Wow! Thanks.

 

[JudgeJudi]

You article mentions four types of Family Annihilator.

Self-righteous?

He doesn't fall into any of those categories for me. IMO he wanted to be free from his family in order to pursue a lifestyle where he was free to do as he wished, live the life of a single man, have relationships with
men, women, whoever took his fancy. With another baby on the way, he would be needed around the home a bit more and he wanted more time away from them, not less, and a life without schedules to keep. Total freedom, no responsibilities and no maintenance if he and SW separated/divorced.

 

[katydid23]

Why would defense wounds on CW be visible? He was dressed in interviews. Why are you assuming screaming and yelling would be heard by neighbors? That's a stretch. One doesn't need to be fully dressed to perform CPR. JMO

If there were defense wounds, I would think they'd be mentioned in the affidavit as initial evidence.

As for why one would assume that screaming would be heard by the neighbors---his neighbors called for a wellness check on the dog because he was yelping and barking. If they could hear yelping, couldn't they also hear screaming?

When could he have performed CPR? He said he immediately attacked his wife, and he strangled her. That takes several minutes. By then, the child would probably be gone.

 

[Nikynoo]

Oh, I'm sure you're not trying to be mean or disrespect the murder victim or her family, and I'm not certain which videos you are referring to, I'm sure we've seen them. It sounds like one of them may be the one I summarized, IIRC.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154113962771935

My purpose

Here is a summary (since this video is 15 minutes long) of the video for anyone who doesn’t have time to listen or can’t access Facebook. If you can listen, please do, as it exemplifies everything our two VI’s @isalybra and @Colorado303, Shanann’s family and her friends say about her. It is positive, uplifting and inspirational.

She's in her office and says it’s a mess, so she's cleaning while the kids are sleeping and found one of her baby pictures. She holds it up for her viewers to see and tells them “it's totally CeCe,” but that she sees Bella in it too. She says she wants to do this live to talk about herself (vs. Thrive). She was inspired to do so after talking to a friend from high school who she's talked to off and on for the last couple of years but never really any in-depth conversation to get to know what's going in their life and vice-versa.

One thing that she has learned about herself is that she loves, loves helping people. She says she was in a place for a long time where she was very insecure, didn't feel good about herself, wasn't happy, was in a bad relationship and went through a really awful divorce. She lost her confidence and had to start over financially. Everything that she had doubted before came flooding back. Her boss at the time took her under her wing and helped her regain her confidence. In short, she went through a long struggle with her ex, but credits him for making her a better person. She says she always sees the good in the bad and promises her viewers that if you dig deep enough into your struggle, you'll see the good and the positive in it.

She was diagnosed with "health challenges" in 2010 which put her in a really bad place. She didn't feel good about herself and lost many friends because they didn't understand what was happening. She says, "I looked like this still, but my inside felt awful." At the same time she was in this bad place, she says, "I met my Chris." She says that he's been the best thing, besides her children, that has ever happened to her. He understood her struggles, was okay with her cancelling dates or reservations last minute because, "ten minutes ago I felt amazing, and then ten minutes later I didn't."

She believes that things happen for a reason and that God works in mysterious ways. She believes he places people in our lives at the right time. Her struggle that year helped her see her husband. She initially ignored his friend request, deleting it - fast forward 6 months to when she was diagnosed with her health challenges...he sent her another friend request and she said, "What the heck. We're never going to meet, it's just Facebook, right?" And they met, and they fell in love and she says, "I couldn't ask God for a better man in my life because he's so supportive. He takes care of me, he's becoming funnier…” “he's sexy, he's good looking and he does take care of our girls. He's probably the best father I could have asked for, for my children."

She says she has people in her life that just talking to them, makes her a better person. She says, "Make sure you have people in your life who encourage you and motivate you and compliment you." She says, "Find your purpose." She says the reason she loves Thrive so much is because she found a purpose and she feels amazing.

She says she felt like a failure because she never completed college she started into a bad relationship and quit college to take care of him so he could go to college, then never started back. When she did, she was diagnosed with her health challenges that limited her ability to concentrate and focus, which was really hard for her because she's not a quitter. If she fails, she picks herself back up.

And now, even though she didn't finish college, she has a purpose. It's a blessing to be able to help somebody and she no longer feels like a failure. She doesn't feel like she has to prove anything to anybody but herself, her kids and create an example of a good person for them - of a leader. That's her goal. At the end of the day, she wants to help whoever it is who wants a better life for themselves or their family. "I love helping people," she says. "I love motivating. I love encouraging. I love sharing passion with others. I love that." She defines success as being able to make a difference in someone else's life. She says that is huge for her.


She says, "I love you guys. Find your purpose in life. Find your purpose in every day. Find what it is that drives you to be a better person and cling onto it. Like, run with it." She says if anyone needs motivation, someone to boost them up, or someone to talk to, "I'm here." She says she can never have too many people to help motivate her, encourage her and to help make her a better person. She says, "You don't have to join my team...there's so much negativity in the world that we lose that positive feeling."

She wishes her listeners a wonderful day and tells them to do something today to make somebody else smile and be a better person. She tells them to teach their kids to be positive instead of, “…all this negativity we have going on. There's just too much of it. Our kids deserve better. I want my kids raised in a better world, so we need to make a better world, so make somebody happy today, find your purpose..."

She says that every day she writes down what she's grateful for. Today she was grateful for her children, of course. She's grateful for waking up feeling great and she's grateful that her job cut back her hours this week. She looked at the positive and now she has time to help other people. She has more time to spend with her kids and that's what she's grateful for.

Thanks! Yes, this is the one. Your summary is good, but only has one part that I remember. I'll listen again and post my thoughts. I guess because she doesn't have a script in front of her, sometimes it gets a little muddled.

 

[NuttMegg]

RE: I've not heard that SW had problems with pathological lying, or problems getting along with others, in general.

IMO that is not actually factual. In several of her videos she discusses in depth how back in NC "all" her friends left her and she was very lonely. Her words.

It depends on how one would describe it is it lying/fantasy/wishful thinking? Clearly the "presentation" online has nothing to do with the truth about what was really going on in the home. IMO

So what is your proof for the insinuation that SW was a "pathological liar"?

Please read post I never said that?

BBM You contradicted another poster who said they had not heard of SW having problems with pathological lying. You said, in response, IMO that is not actually factual, yet you present no proof that she was, indeed, a pathological liar.
See? Maybe that is not what you intended to do but you actually did leave that insinuation hanging there, and I think it is a cruel disservice to a murdered woman. IMO

 

[liltexans]

I'm working on a new thread. This one will close in a few minutes.

 

[MsBetsy]

I can not find it so I deleted the post !

We are allowing discussion of the defense put forward by CW's legal team.


Being "charged" with anything means you are accused of something. Here we use innocent until proven guilty. For some reason in this case, that core value appears to have vanished.

Like I said - it has been very bizarre.

While at the same time somewhat understandable.

The public sphere has been tainted by the media. On the 15th he was arrested and the media started blaring out the falsehood - he confessed to killing everyone.

The problem was he never confessed to that. BUT his confession was not released until for 5 days until the 20th.

It was a huge story. For five days the media erroneously screamed in headlines that he had confessed to all murders. Five days of non-stop WRONG facts.

That nation had a whole week in that mode. When the confession was released it was interpreted that he had changed his story, when in fact he had not.

IMO If the media had reported the facts correctly the case would be like many others. An alleged killer accused of something, and charged based on that. The alleged perp challenges the allegations.

By that point charged and confessed got all messed up IMO resulting in what has been going on - many believing , before trial and facts, that he did in fact, kill everyone.

Maybe it was because he changed his story so many times people were confused as to which was the real story. Or maybe it was the lies he told during the interviews that made people believe he was guilty. Jmo

 

[molly1255]

No, CW's family will unlikely have input. Yes, it must be incredibly hard for them all.

I'm not sure why you are so sure of that as I feel pretty sure they won't be asked for input.

 

[Thepoet]

@Poet . Lets not fall out. I have posted upthread about my example. I'll post a link to it. IMO - this event shows that SW was less than truthful about this particular event.

ETA link - Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #44

I'm not falling out. I've read the earlier post when it appeared and I clicked the link you provided to verify it was what I read. This event does not show SW was "less than truthful", it is nothing more than "he said/she said". Someone told someone that something happened sometime differently than someone else stated. I'll accept that you have an opinion about an event's validity. My opinion is that CW is a proven liar and I have seen nothing that leads me to believe SW has lied.

 

[mrjitty]

I had not heard that.

I read so much stuff in the last couple of days I can't remember whether i read it or saw it in one of the interviews

 

[lilaismyname]

We are allowing discussion of the defense put forward by CW's legal team.

Being open to the very real possibility that his version is what happened does not translate to a CW fan club. In reality it some who believe in waiting for facts . In addition there is no reason why his version might not be a possibility.

IMO the placement of the children was more about being freaked out

If one can pause for a moment, I know it is hard, (and roll with steroid abuse having a role here)- I think the placement was more about having to show up to work on time.

IMO his quick confession to LE indicated he had tremendous guilt about where he had placed the kids.

The timeline IMO is also blurred. They had no idea where anyone was UNTIL he specifically pointed out to LE exactly where he put everyone because he could not stand the fact that he had done what he did.

The mistake is the notion that they already "had" him. They did not. The drone was in the exact area it was (the sheet) directly because he showed them exactly where they were. He then stated he would tell the rest after he got his father.

If at that point in time LE thought they had seen evidence to prove that a triple murderer had committed a triple murder LE does not let suspects make a run for the airport to pick up someone.

Again media messing facts up. He told them where they were, went to airport, they found the bodies, after he talked to his father he did what he told them he would do - he told them what happened and was arrested. moo



Not a member of a CW fan club.

 

[Nikynoo]

I'm not sure why you are so sure of that as I feel pretty sure they won't be asked for input.

I think you misread my post? It is unlikely that CW's family will have input?

 

[ReckoningDay]

Hi everyone!!! I was caught up in the Closs and Guse cases and by the time I realized this thread was open again, I was already 30 pages behind and I wanted to get caught up before I commented. I am so glad we have this thread open again so we can continue to discuss. This case is going to take years and I am happy we will all be able to keep this going...I hope we don't end up causing it to shut down again!

I want to make one point: it is offensive and borderline ridiculous for anyone to assume that the prosecutors don't seem confident or don't have a solid case. They are lawyers. They HAVE to keep everything close to the vest. They are not going to show their hand. As long as they follow Brady rules and do what they're supposed to do, I don't care if they don't make one dang thing public until trial!!! I have no doubt they know what they're doing and that they have more than enough to secure the conviction most people want for this excuse for a father and husband.

Anyway, carry on! Happy Friday

I, too, got caught up in the Closs case and just now realized this was open. I don't think I will be able to catch up. If anyone has any REALLY interesting new facts, or news stories, please let me know!

 

[Thepoet]

Oh, I'm sure you're not trying to be mean or disrespect the murder victim or her family, and I'm not certain which videos you are referring to, although I'm sure we've seen them. It sounds like one of them may be the one I summarized, IIRC.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154113962771935

My purpose

Here is a summary (since this video is 15 minutes long) of the video for anyone who doesn’t have time to listen or can’t access Facebook. If you can listen, please do, as it exemplifies everything our two VI’s @isalybra and @Colorado303, Shanann’s family and her friends say about her. It is positive, uplifting and inspirational.

She's in her office and says it’s a mess, so she's cleaning while the kids are sleeping and found one of her baby pictures. She holds it up for her viewers to see and tells them “it's totally CeCe,” but that she sees Bella in it too. She says she wants to do this live to talk about herself (vs. Thrive). She was inspired to do so after talking to a friend from high school who she's talked to off and on for the last couple of years but never really any in-depth conversation to get to know what's going in their life and vice-versa.

One thing that she has learned about herself is that she loves, loves helping people. She says she was in a place for a long time where she was very insecure, didn't feel good about herself, wasn't happy, was in a bad relationship and went through a really awful divorce. She lost her confidence and had to start over financially. Everything that she had doubted before came flooding back. Her boss at the time took her under her wing and helped her regain her confidence. In short, she went through a long struggle with her ex, but credits him for making her a better person. She says she always sees the good in the bad and promises her viewers that if you dig deep enough into your struggle, you'll see the good and the positive in it.

She was diagnosed with "health challenges" in 2010 which put her in a really bad place. She didn't feel good about herself and lost many friends because they didn't understand what was happening. She says, "I looked like this still, but my inside felt awful." At the same time she was in this bad place, she says, "I met my Chris." She says that he's been the best thing, besides her children, that has ever happened to her. He understood her struggles, was okay with her cancelling dates or reservations last minute because, "ten minutes ago I felt amazing, and then ten minutes later I didn't."

She believes that things happen for a reason and that God works in mysterious ways. She believes he places people in our lives at the right time. Her struggle that year helped her see her husband. She initially ignored his friend request, deleting it - fast forward 6 months to when she was diagnosed with her health challenges...he sent her another friend request and she said, "What the heck. We're never going to meet, it's just Facebook, right?" And they met, and they fell in love and she says, "I couldn't ask God for a better man in my life because he's so supportive. He takes care of me, he's becoming funnier…” “he's sexy, he's good looking and he does take care of our girls. He's probably the best father I could have asked for, for my children."

She says she has people in her life that just talking to them, makes her a better person. She says, "Make sure you have people in your life who encourage you and motivate you and compliment you." She says, "Find your purpose." She says the reason she loves Thrive so much is because she found a purpose and she feels amazing.

She says she felt like a failure because she never completed college she started into a bad relationship and quit college to take care of him so he could go to college, then never started back. When she did, she was diagnosed with her health challenges that limited her ability to concentrate and focus, which was really hard for her because she's not a quitter. If she fails, she picks herself back up.

And now, even though she didn't finish college, she has a purpose. It's a blessing to be able to help somebody and she no longer feels like a failure. She doesn't feel like she has to prove anything to anybody but herself, her kids and create an example of a good person for them - of a leader. That's her goal. At the end of the day, she wants to help whoever it is who wants a better life for themselves or their family. "I love helping people," she says. "I love motivating. I love encouraging. I love sharing passion with others. I love that." She defines success as being able to make a difference in someone else's life. She says that is huge for her.

She says, "I love you guys. Find your purpose in life. Find your purpose in every day. Find what it is that drives you to be a better person and cling onto it. Like, run with it." She says if anyone needs motivation, someone to boost them up, or someone to talk to, "I'm here." She says she can never have too many people to help motivate her, encourage her and to help make her a better person. She says, "You don't have to join my team...there's so much negativity in the world that we lose that positive feeling."

She wishes her listeners a wonderful day and tells them to do something today to make somebody else smile and be a better person. She tells them to teach their kids to be positive instead of, “…all this negativity we have going on. There's just too much of it. Our kids deserve better. I want my kids raised in a better world, so we need to make a better world, so make somebody happy today, find your purpose..."

She says that every day she writes down what she's grateful for. Today she was grateful for her children, of course. She's grateful for waking up feeling great and she's grateful that her job cut back her hours this week. She looked at the positive and now she has time to help other people. She has more time to spend with her kids and that's what she's grateful for.

Great post, thank you for sharing it and taking the time summarize for us. Bravo!

 

[liltexans]

This thread is closed. Please continue the discussion in Thread #45.