Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #7

[PeekingDuck]

@Ellie1 I think your theory on the bedsheets is super interesting and very believable! Ripping them off because she knew of the affair or he told her and trashed them.

Ok- this is just a thought and NOT attacking SW. She had a few posts and videos on how this product has completely changed her. How she is more patient with her kids and husband. I have Grave’s which has some similarities to lupus- I’m obviously just speculating- but I wonder if the health issues she had over the weekend kicked in and affected patience. Usually with Lupus or Grave’s it can send you into rages. I have experienced this myself- seething even :-(
I’m willing to bet the defense will use this.

“Mood swings and personality changes. People with lupus may experience unpredictable changes in moods and personality traits. This can include feeling of anger and irritability. These may be related to the disease process or, in some cases, the use of corticosteroid medications.”
https://www.webmd.com/lupus/guide/psychosocial-aspects-lupus

I believe CW killed them all- I just think this may be something the defense will bring into the picture and who knows if just one jury member believes this.

 

[human]

Whether she killed them or not, which I do not believe for one second, he killed her.

 

[Davia18]

This is my first time posting but have been registered a little while, I find this a fantastic site for reliable and informed discussion, so thanks to all. Like others have said, I feel compelled to post about this tragedy like no other case before.

I wonder if he had become somewhat obsessed with his mistress following their six week, complication free holiday together.

Perhaps she discovered SW was pregnant and said she wanted to finish things between them. He on the other hand had just had a six week taster of being free of responsibilities and with a possible house repossession on the horizon and the threat of his extra curricular activities being brought to a close, he killed his entire family to get rid of them. He could have walked out but that would not fit his new image and he would still have responsibility to his children. No, he wanted to be footloose and fancy free.

I believe he thought this out in advance but did not get sufficient time to finish his plan. His new found physique gave him confidence but thankfully no intelligence. Had he got away with it and walked off into the sunset with his mistress, who knows what could have awaited her in the future when the gloss wore off their relationship. Perhaps she is financially well off and he saw this as a way of starting over again. Regardless, she has had a lucky escape imo.

I have seen people distraught having run over a dog, his entire family is wiped out and he does not shed a tear. I cannot recall ever having seen anything quite like his reaction. At his hearings in court he looked as calm and collected as his Attorney. If it were not for the orange suit, one could wonder who was on trial.

I hope SW's family find some comfort in the knowledge that she is now free from this monster and will be forever with her beloved children.

Thank You for joining the conversation - I 100% agree with everything you just said

 

[The Farm]

I also think the defense will throw the Thrive patches in there too.

I could NEVER be a defense attorney!!!!!!!!

 

[Boodles]

Newb here who has been lurking for days and unable to reply due to issues with my account... this could be a bit long and I apologize if quotes should be used (with so many threads and so much to comment on, I’m not sure it would be possible!)

Anyway- one maybe minor detail that has bothered me from day one is that her friend NAU has stated several times that upon arriving at the house to check on SW, one of the things that prompted her concerns (after she didn’t come to the door) was that SW car was in the garage and the car seats were in it, leading her to believe SW was inside..... HOWEVER, I cannot figure out how she could know those details. Based on photos I’ve seen of the house, there are no actual windows on the garage area besides the garage door windows. In photos of the garage doors it appears that the windows are quite slim and very high on the doors. There’s photos/videos of CW on his phone (the day of the interview) in front of these doors and it appears that even his 5’10” self would not be able to see into those windows. I don’t have physical stats on NAU but she appears to be quite a bit shorter than CW... I really can’t understand how she was able to not only see the Lexus in the garage, but also be able to see the car seats in it as well.
I know this may seem like a very trivial item to even bother with, but it’s something I noticed almost immediately and has bothered me since (and as more details, interviews, and speculation re NAU came about, this little detail continues to nag at me)

My theory/ speculation/ whatever is this:
The happy life portrayed on SM and throughout the community is 99% a facade mostly for the mlm sales aspect. I think CW was jealous and controlling and that from the outside looking in it would just seem SW has got such a great husband and they’re so in love and that’s why she’s always catering to him and swooning over him and appeasing to him. Many of her thrive friends / people who have traveled with her, made remarks that they were so in love that she would often run off to her room just to call him because she missed him.....
I myself have learned the art of making my friends think I’m running off to the bathroom to call my boyfriend because I just miss him SO much I can’t stand to be away from him for a night out with the girls.... when in all actuality I HAD to go call him because it was a stipulation of my night out and if I didn’t call I knew there’d be issues that would result in him raging. Often the convo was heated but I’d return to my friends and gush over how sweet he is that he just has to say goodnight to me. I feel like SW did a lot of this- 1)to keep anyone from suspecting their strained relationship 2)to stroke CW typical narcissistic ego 3)to not create any waves with CW
I’m wondering if she played off this possessiveness of CW to “her people” as just this crazy love and bond. I know that’s how I justified everything to my people. (Me to friends- “oh he works so hard and really takes care of me, he deserves to have a nice meal made when he gets home every day” Reality- “I’m exhausted, sick, really depressed, and I can’t stand him anymore but if I don’t have dinner made he’s going to curse me up and down for being lazy all day, accuse me of spending the day cheating, tell me how useless I am and then ignore me for days so it’s just easier to have dinner made every night”)
I think SW suspected or caught CW cheating and that is what prompted the extended stay in NC, some time apart to decide where to go from there. I think SW wanted to save the marriage and initially CW did too so he deleted his SM accounts in an attempt to show her that he wouldn’t be talking with other women. BUT, I think he didn’t realize how tough it would be to give up that double life, or the gf(s), the single free life he had those weeks he was a bachelor when the family was in NC.
Now, IMO, I think while SW was in AZ she had some reason to believe that CW was up to no good with the women again. Maybe she found out he left the girls with a sitter and immediately assumed he must be cheating again. NAU states SW had a medical issue that weekend... perhaps that was something along the lines of an anxiety attack being SO upset miles away from home and your kids, knowing your marriage is going to ending. I know it’s extremely tiring putting up such an act and carrying the facade around even when behind closed doors it’s all falling apart.
I think SW gets home and immediately confronts CW and an arguement erupts (wait, I mean “emotional conversation”). I think the sheets were ripped off the bed by SW... if it were me I would suspect my SO brought the AP into our home and our bed and I believe 100% one of the first things I would do is strip my bed and toss the sheets!! SW tells him it’s over and its possible she decides to sleep on the couch in the hallway (hence her phone being found in the cushions). CW knows the gig is up. I think CW then decides he’s going to kill them all and since she’s already told him she’s leaving, he can make it appear as if she took the kids and ran off. Or he intended to only kill her but while in the moment, the girls awoke and he had no choice but to get rid of them as well. My opinion on this will of course change if it comes out that the girls TOD was much earlier than SW.

**this was way longer than I intended and I apologize for that! Congrats if you’ve read through my entire mess! I promise I’ll learn and do better next time!

There may have been a side window on the garage.

 

[MCDRAW]

In every photo of Shanann except for when she’s with her children, there is no light in her eyes. The smile is being forced out. I can only imagine the stress of her life... that man would have been a monster to live with if he is capable of what he did. Normal men don’t snap in the very cold way that he did.

For me, it's not just the snapping. He goes to work and I assume he acts normal or I think we would have heard. He goes home and meets the friend and police, and is calm. The only suspicion, is he doesn't act concerned, worried etc. If SW killed the girls, you would think he would be devastated. If he had to kill SW because he caught her killing the girls. you would expect he would have been traumatized. He picked up and carried 3 bodies to his truck and then disposed of them. That would have been traumatic to me. Nothing on his face showed any signs of grief, or any hint of what he had done only hours before. His interview was nonchalant. I have a face that tells all, my husband does not. When someone is grieving, grief always shows. He didn't appear to be someone grieving. I think that is what has me reading everything I can. In all the photos and videos, and from friends comments, he made everyone believe he loved them and was devoted to them. How could he wipe out his entire family and not have an ounce of remorse? It doesn't appear that anyone saw any signs of this coming.

 

[Mamamiamaria]

Whether she killed them or not, which I do not believe for one second, he killed her.

Yes, I agree and I await his explanation and justification for what he did with those little girls afterwards. How can he explain what he did to them ? It is unforgivable and surely even his legal team cannot defend going to those oil wells.

 

[Boodles]

Besides Jodi Arias and her "fog", who else has used the "I blacked out" excuse and has it ever worked on a jury?

Mollie Tibbetts’ murderer said that he blacked out. Convenient, eh?

 

[MCDRAW]

You're doing fine, rabbithole. It takes time to get it figured out and a lot of us are still learning, myself included. It's always best to ask a mod if you're unsure whether something is allowed or not.

There may be conflicting reports about the door. My memory is a little foggy this morning, but I do remember him saying that the garage was unlocked, because I was shocked when he also said that was normal. Didn't make sense at all.

I thought they were talking about the door from the house leading into the garage. I thought the garage door was broken, I could be wrong.

 

[LAborn]

My theory is, once he started having an affair, he became increasingly dissatisfied with his home situation. Then he finds out another child is on the way (adding more responsibility to a situation he wanted out of). What I'm not sure of is if he planned this well in advance, or in the moment. I believe he killed his daughters before SW came home (maybe in a rage? Maybe he lost his temper?) Then he had to follow through once SW came home.

 

[vaporlass]

I think all of us have narcissistic tendencies (in our society, it's hard not to, really)... For instance, I take a lot of selfies. Of course I'm a photographer, and that might have something to do with it, too. But, I digress. However, you can have narcissistic tendencies and still be empathetic. Crossing the threshold into Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a whole different ballgame. That's when all empathy and responsibility goes out the window.

Agree and I’m anti-social as in I like to be alone - I hate crowds - I love to stay home and read, write, work in my yard, spend time in nature. I’m also very giving to those in need - often anonymously - I hate being the center of attention.
I’m only saying this because I don’t think you can always fit people into categories or label them because of “your” perception of them. I don’t want people judging others negatively because they are anti-social - it doesn’t mean they are bad people if they stay home more than they go out.
CW’s anti social personality ‘separate or combined’ with his narcissism wasnt enough to cause him to become a murderer. There’s something unique I think in the mind of a family murderer, or there would be many more like him. If we consider the world pop vs the number of “family” murderers - it shows us this is not a common defect in people.
We can’t get paranoid - even though this case has drawn so many because “so many of us” have a past or present life that relates in some way to this family. There are monsters in the world like CW but fortunately there aren’t a lot of them. MOO

 

[Herat]

I have wondered if he pre-dug her grave. He didn't appear to have much time, tools to dig, and he would have been nasty and sweaty when he showed up for work. JMO

I predict that LE will be able to tell us that he had researched the burial site , most likely from his work computer, had visited it to scout it out, maybe even had the GPS coordinates in his truck GPS (company truck would be the excuse). This site was ideal - small, unobtrusive, essentially unused, unmonitored. And within a reasonable driving radius and on a route generally toward his workplace, so he wouldn't be called out by Anadanko for fooling around with oil wells not in his area.

It would be really good to know exactly what he did for work. Did he travel to wells daily or did he spend most of his time at the plant? Did he actually manipulate the tanks, the hatches, the hardware, the gauges or lines or did he do stuff by computer. Did he have a logbook or worklist supplied by Anadanko. Are there wells that would be "outside of his territory" that his workplace wouldnt have assigned to him?

I think Anadanko can supply a great deal of information about this to LE.

I firmly believe he didnt spontaneously decide to climb those tanks and put the children's bodies in there. He researched about how to hide bodies to avoid detection of the smell of decomposition. Remember, that was one of the very first bits of info about the girl's bodies LE release. He was looking to avoid the smell of decomposition. Otherwise he could have just buried all 3 of them in the dirt in the area

He scouted it out. He may have pre-losened the 8 large bolts o the hatch. He knew the drive and how not to get lost. He knew where he was going to do this.

LE will easily be able to prove this was PREMEDITATED

 

[loveisthemovement]

For me, it's not just the snapping. He goes to work and I assume he acts normal or I think we would have heard. He goes home and meets the friend and police, and is calm. The only suspicion, is he doesn't act concerned, worried etc. If SW killed the girls, you would think he would be devastated. If he had to kill SW because he caught her killing the girls. you would expect he would have been traumatized. He picked up and carried 3 bodies to his truck and then disposed of them. That would have been traumatic to me. Nothing on his face showed any signs of grief, or any hint of what he had done only hours before. His interview was nonchalant. I have a face that tells all, my husband does not. When someone is grieving, grief always shows. He didn't appear to be someone grieving. I think that is what has me reading everything I can. In all the photos and videos, and from friends comments, he made everyone believe he loved them and was devoted to them. How could he wipe out his entire family and not have an ounce of remorse? It doesn't appear that anyone saw any signs of this coming.

What I find even more perplexing is that he just doesn't seem that intelligent! So how did he fool everyone into believing he was this person when he allegedly was not? Most of us were not fooled by the news interview but up until that point the people in his life thought he was this great husband and doting father (at least, we haven't heard anything to the contrary at this point).

 

[Davia18]

My theory is, once he started having an affair, he became increasingly dissatisfied with his home situation. Then he finds out another child is on the way (adding more responsibility to a situation he wanted out of). What I'm not sure of is if he planned this well in advance, or in the moment. I believe he killed his daughters before SW came home (maybe in a rage? Maybe he lost his temper?) Then he had to follow through once SW came home.

I think he planned it all out, I think he was thinking about if for sometime. He's emotionless and I think he was calm while killed the girls

 

[Medstudies]

RSBM just on the BIB above
I honestly haven't seen a single post across any of the threads where any poster has said what he has done is justified, by anything. Think everyone's in agreement on that.
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I apologize for my lack of clarity: I did not intend to imply anyone here saying his actions were justified. I should have qualified my statement as *i have seen posts elsewhere that border on this or offered up some defense. (Kind of like “Switzerland friends”: “there must be another side to the story” “everyone played a part”
“ “what did she do to cause him to hit/rape/___ fill in the blank” )

But you’re absolutely right, I have not seen this here.

 

[MCDRAW]

Whether she killed them or not, which I do not believe for one second, he killed her.

And he doesn't appear to be grieving for any of them.

 

[Lore Listener]

RSBM just on the BIB above
I honestly haven't seen a single post across any of the threads where any poster has said what he has done is justified, by anything. Think everyone's in agreement on that.

There was a post where the poster actually went so far as to say, and I quote, that they thought CW "just got sick of her stuff" and some other negative comments about SW which was extremely disturbing, and there have been a few others (maybe by the same poster? not sure) that she was controlling, "forced him" into the MLM lifestyle or pushed him hard to provide a luxurious lifestyle beyond their means.

These posts are definitely the minority and probably easy to miss in this fast-moving thread, but they are very upsetting, especially since there is NO EVIDENCE in the many many interviews we have from family, friends, neighbors, acquaintances, co-workers etc. to suggest any of this about SW. And even if there were, it would be NO excuse for what CW did to her and those poor baby girls!

 

[ShadyLady]

CW knew about the neighbor's video camera because he mentioned it in his interview with news cameraman ~ check 4:36 time

"I just love these shirts!"

WOW, was I wrong. He does have a mistress. In every video I have seen of him, he still shows duper's delight. He obviously thought he would get away with it. Takes some kind of hubris.

Just another Peterson in the end.

Wish Nancy Grace was still at HN, dont like that new person as well.

 

[burghl3zz]

did anyone else notice one of the guards tearing up during the reading of the charges?

 

[NanZDrew]

Found the GIS info on the web. It does appear to still be a producing well. Others around are not