CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #9

[MCDRAW]

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[262gal]

Completely agreed with you. "What is on the sheets" for example. What is on the rug by the bed, and on the beds? As someone mentioned upthread, those long sharp acrylic fingernails are really strong, and that skin/tissue damage would have showed up on the necks of the children.

Yes! Nuttmegg's complete agreement is with post saying LE has a boatload of additional evidence. In the arrest affidavit, "bedding" is cited as being on the floor. I have not looked at SW's facebook, but given that she posted a lot, cared about appearances, and was OCD per NA, it's likely her master bed was made up with a fancy comforter, duvet, extra pillows, etc., that might be regularly tossed off the bed before sleeping. No obvious signs of foul play would be to the naked eye, not forensic analysis--also LE's initial scan probably wouldn't have noted whether the fitted sheet/top sheet/pillow cases were in said pile. My hunch is the sheets in garbage and sheet found with SW were on that bed when she was killed.

 

[DAdvocate]

Hi guys! I’ve been a member for awhile, but this is my first post. This case is really getting to me, possibly because I live currently in the area SWand CW were from before moving to Colorado. And it’s tugging at my heartstrings thinking of those precious little girls who didn’t get the chance to grow up. This is just so awful.
I’ve been tossing around the idea that perhaps this wasn’t a premeditated act. I’ve wondered if CW made plans to spend a night with his mistress, and being unable to find a sitter, perhaps he medicated the children to steal away for a time and see his girlfriend . Is it possible that he overmedicated one or both, resulting in death? (Tones of Casey Anthony). I’ve thought maybe the emotional conversation he had with Shanann was to confess what had happened while she’d been away (“accidentally” killing one or both of the girls), falsely believing that she would help him concoct a story or even skip town. Perhaps instead she flipped out, as any loving mother would do, and grabbed her cell phone to call police and turn him in? He might have attacked her in that moment in a fit of sheer panic (also a reason her phone might have gotten lost in the sofa cracks during the struggle). None of this has struck me as being premeditated or well thought out in the least. I think it started as a careless accident that resulted in death(s), and he followed through by murdering SW in a fit of rage, fear and/or panic. My speculation of course. Would the affidavit have mentioned possible disposed evidence of tranquilizers in the house, or would that come later by way of the autopsies?

I never considered that he could have accidentally killed the children.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

How? With what weapon?

Yes. For her to be the family annihilator (with an awake husband), she would have to have a weapon. It's clear she didn't.

 

[bluesneakers]

BBM.

The statistics completely blow this statement apart:

"This evaluation found that 75.6 percent of all offenders were male and only 20.1 percent were female.

According to these results, men commit violent crimes more than three times as often as women [source: United States Department of Justice]."

Are men more violent than women?

And:

When parents kill: FBI data reveal disturbing patterns

Annually about 450 children are intentionally murdered by a parent.

More than three decades of FBI homicide data shows patterns stand out when parents kill their children: Three out of four child victims are younger than 5.

In 56% of all cases, fathers are the killers. In murders with multiple victims, fathers are the culprit 70% of the time.

 

[kimlynn]

because he cut the air off from his wife and she is dead in the house.

it is not a good idea to call LE after you murder your wife

Not a good idea to think no one would follow up on a missing pregnant woman along with two missing children.
Did he really think the better option would be to bury his wife in a shallow grave and to put his children in a container filled with oil.
Did he think people would shrug and say well they are missing and Chris should be left to get on with his life.
Obviously he is the guilty party here.That is the only reason that he would have tried to hide and conceal what happened.IMO

 

[dgfred]

Well... 56 would mean just over half.
Wouldn't that seem about right?

 

[DAdvocate]

If that was the case and CW intercepted a murders/suicide event by SW, would not SW have yelled something to the effect, let me die too? And would CW not have taken that response from SW and subdued her instead of killing her? It would have given CW pause hearing SW stating her suicide intentions and he would have told the police that rather then him snapping and killing her instead? Murders/suicide doesn't hold any water because I think SW would have died herself in order to save her children and unborn child from harm then to kill them herself.

But since you brought up the murders/suicide DAdvocate perhaps that was CW's plan all along himself, murders/suicide but he chicken out on actually killing himself.

I've said I believe that is a possibility. He may have planned to kill everyone and them maybe hang himself but he chickened out, hence the bad job in doing every thing else he did afterward.

 

[SuperTmo]

it was posted around noon when he was hard a work providing for his family

I feel like this was another dig at Shanann. You act like she was just a useless blob who did nothing but spent his money. She worked too. Maybe you don’t agree with how she chose to earn her money, but he sure didn’t seem to mind benefitting from it. The disparaging remarks aren’t subtle. For all you know he wasn’t hard at work, he could have been banging his coworker.

 

[BingoBongo]

because he cut the air off from his wife and she is dead in the house.

it is not a good idea to call LE after you murder your wife

It is if you did it to keep her from killing your children. If his story is true, he pretty much had a "get of of jail free" card. All he had to so was call 911, report that he'd found her killing their children and he killed her. His story doesn't make sense.

 

[CARIIS]

I think he said it to provide the reason for Shanann taking the girls and disappearing when he still believed he’d hidden the bodies where they’d never be found.

the grave was described as shallow and easily located -- an an indicator of panic and rush

it doubtful based on LE reports that grave was very easily located

so I am not sure the notion of never being found would work -- out in the sun would stink i would think

 

[vaporlass]

Something else we don't know. LE wouldn't say if they'd been to their house before.

He might have a secret history of DV that only he and Shanann knew about.

Do we know ANYTHING about him, really? Other than Shanann’s praises? Do we know if he’s ever been married before? Ex-girlfriends? What he was like BEFORE he married SW and Colorado? Any links to family or friends supporting him or his innocence, saying he snapped, or saying he would NEVER kill his precious daughters?
Please provide link if so...

 

[margarita25]

I never considered that he could have accidentally killed the children.

And maybe he accidentally slipped and fell in his mistress too.

 

[bluesneakers]

Do we know ANYTHING about him, really? Other than Shanann’s praises? Do we know if he’s ever been married before? Ex-girlfriends? What he was like BEFORE he married SW and Colorado? Any links to family or friends supporting him or his innocence, saying he snapped, or saying he would NEVER kill his precious daughters?
Please provide link if so...

Why are you asking me?

 

[Ronso]

Well... 56 would mean just over half.
Wouldn't that seem about right?

It isn't 56% in cases with multiple victims. That makes men the majority when it comes to these sorts of crimes. Not "just over half".

I feel like this was another dig at Shanann. You act like she was just a useless blob who did nothing but spent his money. She worked too. Maybe you don’t agree with how she chose to earn her money, but he sure didn’t seem to mind benefitting from it. The disparaging remarks aren’t subtle. For all you know he wasn’t hard at work, he could have been banging his coworker.

Yeah, the misogyny isn't even slightly subtle. It's cringe-worthy.

 

[NuttMegg]

I feel like this was another dig at Shanann. You act like she was just a useless blob who did nothing but spent his money. She worked too. Maybe you don’t agree with how she chose to earn her money, but he sure didn’t seem to mind benefitting from it. The disparaging remarks aren’t subtle. For all you know he wasn’t hard at work, he could have been banging his coworker.

X1000

 

[Ronso]

And maybe he accidentally slipped and fell in his mistress too.

I just snort laughed. lol

 

[cottonweaver]

The fans were the worst... but there were actually people debating that worked/helped (don't know if paid) on her case.
In the very old days of the case even her step-father would be posting on some forums.
It was like debating with a stone wall tho... nothing would make a difference in their opinions.

yes I agree- have had similar experiences, only on high profile cases though. They weren't formal or paid , they were doing it of their own free will but yes i know some of them communicated with the perp's family although they were not officially endorsed.

And if this trial gets televised....it will be "busy"
Also looking further ahead, incarcerated CW is bound to get some marriage offers by mail.

 

[BingoBongo]

I have thought the same thing ... if I was a lawyer and had a client like CW, I would definitely have my minions on this board throwing out BAIT ... great way to build a defense.

I have considered the same. Great way to fine tune your case, toss out ideas for the defense and see what sticks with readers, and see what gets valid rebuttals.

 

[CARIIS]

P.S. this is actually very outdated FB info, take it fwiw.
I know because prior to reading about his confession, and taking a break from Mollie’s case, I went right to SW FB. Why? Because I also had mutual friends that live in NC posting the heck that she was missing. WS taught me over the last decade to hey, just look it up, so I did. FB “friends” in NC were tagging her, so I saw it. I had no preconceived notions when I went there the first time,
I do take screenshots now, I’ve learned and I won’t get into how or why here over the last 18 months other then to say SM and the Internet.... or moreso the people hiding behind their screens, can be evil. EVIL.
I went back to what I saved on 8/14, and going back wards. This is what I had saved, when she was still missing and the literal minutes before my news alert popped up that CW made his confession.
Actually, I think ss might be against WS TOS, so I’ll type out:
“IMAGINE. Meeting someone who wanted learn your past not to punish you, but to understand how you needed to be loved.”

I’ll leave it at that until trial where other posts come to light based on prosecution subpoena.

“IMAGINE. Meeting someone who wanted learn your past not to punish you, but to understand how you needed to be loved.” (that was a while ago!)

can you imagine the total devastation shock and horror to learn that someone who did all that for you is leaving you and has another woman

the possibilities.........

 

[Ronso]

the grave was described as shallow and easily located -- an an indicator of panic and rush

it doubtful based on LE reports that grave was very easily located

so I am not sure the notion of never being found would work -- out in the sun would stink i would think

BBM.

Several locals in these threads have said the ground out there is difficult to dig in, often very hard and you can't dig very deep. So, to me, a shallow grave probably wasn't done quickly and it may have very likely been dug in advance if that's the case.