I’m not sure she knows all the facts as we don’t either. Like I said I’m ok to agree to disagree. The next few days will show what she possibly didn’t know and needs to come to terms with.
Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #52
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Maybe. I don’t think we will ever know the truth. He’s the only one that knows but everything he’s told is a lie. I won’t believe any story he tells. The only truth we will get is from the autopsy where we can come to our own conclusions.
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She sat in a courtroom and heard him plead guilty to all the charges. She heard him answer the judge that he understood the plea and the charges.
What else does she want?
Agreed! He deserves no life. That has nothing to do with his family supporting him. We are not supposed to get into other cases here but I can tell you that I know of others where the victims family supported the killer until other evidence was brought to light so I choose to believe they will come to terms one day. And if they don’t....that is on them. But the rest of us will know that relatively quickly and dismiss them then.
I in no way doubt that he killed them All. But I am not her and it is not my son. If someone said that about one of my children I am sure I would try to figure out how that was not the case. It takes time for these things to be accepted.
her reality?
because someone chooses to see life through an altered state is not the rest of the worlds problem.
that person has NO RIGHT to encroach on the space of anyone else and inflict pain and suffering.
there comes a time for accountability and reality checking.....
the sympathisers will always find a way!
moo
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She could have supported her son without being vicious and petty about one of his victims.
Really, what does it matter to this case that his wife criticised his dress sense eight years ago?
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Mrs. Watts can hold a serious grudge. Like an iron grip. Her son was in his twenties, then, as well, not a small child being insulted by a stranger or something. Once you cross her, there's no going back. For all we know, Shan'ann might have apologized for her comments (not that she needed to), but something tells me Mrs. Watts isn't big on accepting apologies. Don't forgive and definitely don't forget.
I agree it is senseless. But I can understand holding on to the one tiny thing a person has to believe that their reality is not true. The beauty for most of us is that those moments are not splashed across the news and we can feel them privately. But in these cases it is just different and u will see some grieve gracefully and others not. But I will not be the person to say that someone else is doing it wrong. I respect anyone’s opinion who feels they are and won’t discount that either.
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Yes. But there are degrees of wrong. I'm using something dramatic to make a point. If something is wrong grief doesn't make it not wrong or right, just "different", IMO.
Because if we used that logic, where do we draw the line? What grain of sand is the one that makes the ugly conduct suddenly more than just "different", you know what I mean?
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She could have had her moments quietly too, but she made a conscious choice to be not quiet about it.
She got people to facilitate these interviews to further demonise her dead daughter in law. She hardly mentioned her grandchildren. Why would that be if she is grieving so badly?
We will never truly know this. The 200+ people who work for me see a totally different me than the 4 people within the walls of my house. And that is not a bad thing it is different circumstances. It is all relative and not being a part of this family I choose not to speculate what she or other family members are going through.
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Not yet, anyway. But by her actions so far it wouldn't be too hard for people to imagine she might. She has said if she was guilty of a crime she never would confess to it. Jmo
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Yes, but people who want to be healthy do not encourage and enable people who are in denial who are lashing out and hurting others.
Is there any chance CW stands up at this sentencing and makes any kind of statement, or even acknowledges he committed these crimes? Yes, I know, I know, magical thinking I'm sure.
If there is no chance of an "appeal" since he is pleading guilty, he doesn't need to carefully word what he says. (As opposed to when defendants say, "I'm sorry for the loss of your daughter" or "I'm sorry for your pain" or "I understand I will be sentenced for the crime I am convicted of" - but never actually admit to the crime, because they have usually been advised not to jeopardize an appeal.)
But... he doesn't strike me as the type who will do the honorable thing and apologize to SW's family (and his own). Taking the plea deal and not putting everyone through this had given me a tiny bit of hope, but based (imo) on everything we have seen from him to date, it is to protect his own self interests, not because it's the "right" thing to do. It would just benefit both families if he admitted to his crimes and showed remorse, but why am I even thinking he would show empathy for anyone besides himself.
I wonder if he will say anything at all besides answering the judge's questions and acknowledging the plea agreement and sentence.
If there is no chance of an "appeal" since he is pleading guilty, he doesn't need to carefully word what he says. (As opposed to when defendants say, "I'm sorry for the loss of your daughter" or "I'm sorry for your pain" or "I understand I will be sentenced for the crime I am convicted of" - but never actually admit to the crime, because they have usually been advised not to jeopardize an appeal.)
But... he doesn't strike me as the type who will do the honorable thing and apologize to SW's family (and his own). Taking the plea deal and not putting everyone through this had given me a tiny bit of hope, but based (imo) on everything we have seen from him to date, it is to protect his own self interests, not because it's the "right" thing to do. It would just benefit both families if he admitted to his crimes and showed remorse, but why am I even thinking he would show empathy for anyone besides himself.
I wonder if he will say anything at all besides answering the judge's questions and acknowledging the plea agreement and sentence.
I look at it as legal vs. unethical. No we cannot kill someone that is illegal. Can I say something horrible until I learn otherwise? That may be unethical. I’ve had to take back a few words in my life in lesser situations. I believe she is just trying to find an alternate solution to the truth and is trying to hold on to that. I feel for her in that respect. But the truth is the truth. Four people are dead and her son is responsible in some way. I am blessed I have not been in that situation with my own children.
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”Because someone chooses to see life through an altered state, is not the rest of the world’s problem.”her reality?
because someone chooses to see life through an altered state is not the rest of the worlds problem.
that person has NO RIGHT to encroach on the space of anyone else and inflict pain and suffering.
there comes a time for accountability and reality checking.....
the sympathisers will always find a way!
moo
I couldn’t possibly agree more with that statement.
I might even have that etched on my gravestone, right after “Yankees Suck.”
There is no “her reality,” there is “the reality.”
The reality is that she is wrong.
They sure shouldn’t but these situations can make some jump to any conclusion to avoid the pain of their reality. Unfortunate as it is.
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My memory is bad but didn’t Scott Peterson’s parents defend him the same way and still defending their Golden Boy Scott. I can’t believe these cases are so similar.
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That's very true but there is a big difference between denial and blame and taking steps to prove and publicly claim the victim is in some way responsible for her own murder. Jmo
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