GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #69

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I’m wondering what the podcast is? Can anyone share the details?

I’m in Australia so I haven’t seen the dr Phil episode yet. But based on what I’ve read here I wonder if his initial plan was make Shannan disappear that night and then report her as a missing wife. Live happily with NK and the girls. His plans may have all gone off script when Shannan arrived home much later than expected. Perhaps Bella waking and seeing what he had done was the point he figured he’d kill them both too. He is so evil. It’s truly frightening.
Thanks everyone for sharing the details of the episode.
 
Anybody see any dirt piles in this video? I think he dug her grave in advance

Remember though, this information came from the Rzucek’s lawyers, who got it from the Rzucek’s, who got it from investigators.

This was a game of “telephone,” and things are always lost in translation.

If he dug her grave in advance, that would have been a huge revelation.

It also doesn’t fit with him, or the way this crime was committed.
 
You can't know this for a fact; it sounds too easy, too perfect. He should've gone to trial so everything

What about scratching and bruising he surely would've gotten trying to dispose of the girls in a water tank with an 8 in diameter? His hands should've been scratched/cut to pieces. I'm assuming they were made of steel. Even if they were made of plastic, there should've been damaged to his hands/arms.
Stella, then who put the girls in the tanks?
 
Stop!!

I think you're giving CW too much credit.

I believe SW, BW, CcW, and NW have been tugging at the false exterior of CW -- chiseling away the mask-- from the moment he squeezed the life out of each of them.

I hope CW is haunted by their light, laughter, and smiles forever.

Nope.... CW never deserved a family.
Ha! I’m not giving him any credit for doing that, nor am I saying that he’s any less of a monster.

I’m simply saying that he’s not hiding behind that facade anymore.

He’s doing this for selfish reasons, but this isn’t about twisting the knife.

He wants absolution. Best of luck with that CW.
 
According to Watts family friends, Chris is not at all suicidal.

But how would they know what his real state of mind is?

Have they visited him in WI?

Are any of them psychiatrists who have evaluated his mental state?

Many people who take themselves out never exhibit symptoms. In fact, they are perfectly calm, reasonable and appear normal, positive and at peace.

I'm not saying CW is suicidal, but his admissions are rather startling and VERY self-incriminating.

I don't think he's strong enough to survive prison, but I might be wrong.

That's just MOO.
 
I'm with everyone else on most every thought here today. I'm struggling with how Chris could go through with killing those sweethearts, esp with Bella pleading with him. Why not at home, if at all? What a nightmare for that poor girl.

Regarding other questions I'm seeing tonight. I understand an autopsy would note broken bones if discovered, but do they typically x-ray the whole body as standard protocol? That seems unlikely, though that word means nothing in this case. Seems like there could have been breaks not obvious to the naked eye. At this point though, the thought bothers me less than what we now know.
 
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What possible reason would CW have to lie about such a monstrous thing as murdering Bella when she begged him not to?

If CW was on top of Shanann, pretending to have make up sex, it would be easy for him to grab her around the throat and stifle any screams she may have had. She was pregnant, had lupus and was exhausted. He likely ambushed her. She may not have had the energy to try to claw him and fight back because she was confused and in shock. He's strong, working out, and SW was much smaller, ill and pregnant. The second leading cause of death for pregnant women is homicide.

Bella may have been in such terror and shock she may not have clawed or kicked him, she struggled because she couldn't breathe as he smothered her. In her mind, daddy was supposed to be her hero and protector. They even sang a song about it. She was just a tiny child, imagine her confusion. The toddlers were so small. They can't fight against a large brute of a man who was physically fit and strong. Any kicks against him were probably not strong enough to leave bruises and their little fingernails were too short to leave scratch marks.

moo

I think there's truth in there. Like many liars the tith is often mixed in with the lie. Bella likely begged him in some way. But I'm with Stella a little. I can never be totally certain that he's finally revealing all, accurately. Because he's a liar. And most liars who eventually confess, continue with some of the lies.

An example is Christian Longo. He initially blamed and intruder and then also blamed his wife saying she killed one of the kids so he killed her and the others.

He finally confessed to all the killings but the details remained questionable and self serving. Ahh as his wife didn't seem terrorized or surprised and "relaxed into it" as he strangled her.
Christian Longo Murders - Death Row Execution Policy

Suuuure.

These are people but they're not like you or me. They minds work differently. They won't make sense to us.

(On an unrelated note, the man who wrote the above-linked article, whose identity Longo stole, creeps me out. He's obsessed with Longo and much too sympathetic. I question what thoughts he's had about his own family, frankly.

Reminds me a tiny bit of Stephen King and his partial motivation for his family annihilator thriller, The Shining. How he said:

"Sometimes you confess. You always hide what you're confessing to. That's one of the reasons why you make up the story. When I wrote The Shining, for instance, the protagonist of The Shining is a man who has broken his son's arm, who has a history of child beating, who is beaten himself. And as a young father with two children, I was horrified by my occasional feelings of real antagonism toward my children. Won't you ever stop? Won't you ever go to bed? And time has given me the idea that probably there are a lot of young fathers and young mothers both who feel very angry, who have angry feelings toward their children. But as somebody who has been raised with the idea that father knows best and Ward Cleaver on 'Leave it to Beaver,' and all this stuff, I would think to myself, Oh, if he doesn't shut up, if he doesn't shut up... So when I wrote this book I wrote a lot of that down and tried to get it out of my system, but it was also a confession. Yes, there are times when I felt very angry toward my children and have even felt as though I could hurt them. Well, my kids are older now. Naomi is fifteen and Joey is thirteen and Owen is eight, and they're all super kids, and I don't think I've laid a hand on one of my kids in probably seven years, but there was a time..."
The Shining (novel) - Wikipedia)
 
I feel his story is true, in that he took the girls alive to his work site. However I'm guessing there's elements of truth and pretense interwoven together.

My guess is he had been fantasizing about killing SW for awhile. He clearly hated her in the end and she was a burden to him in his sick demented fantasy of his new life with NK. Maybe they did fight and she said things as people do in the heat of the moment when they find out their partner is cheating. He at some point obviously found a chance to murder her when she couldn't fight back.

I too believe he killed those kids because he wanted them gone. They were a burden to him and his new life. Maybe he ran out of time to kill the girls before they left. The sun was coming up and he needed them all out of the house before being seen by neighbors. I feel sick saying this, but alternatively maybe it was easier for him to take the kids out to the site and murder them there, less hassle and clean up etc (although wasn't it reported that there were multiple hairs in his truck? Not sure if that turned out to be true?).


Prisons are full of people who turn to God, particularly those in the paedophile wing. Louis Therouxs documentary on that is pretty telling. Despite many of these men being depraved and unemphatic, something in their consciences doesn't sit right with them. They turn to God to hide behind ideas of redemption, believing that by saying ten hail Marys all their bad deeds will go away. Not a chance in hell.
It must be incredibly alluring to find religion in prison, particularly if you have a life sentence. Redemption - a chance at a good afterlife - otherwise, that 8 x 10 cell is all they have to look forward to for the rest of their lives. That, and some people will give you newfound respect. Not me, but some.
 
I'm with everyone else on most every thought here today. I'm struggling with how Chris could go through with killing those sweethearts, esp with Bella pleading with him. Why not at home, if at all? What a nightmare for that poor girl.

Regarding other questions I'm seeing tonight. I understand an autopsy would note broken bones if discovered, but do they typically x-ray the whole body as standard protocol? That seems unlikely, though that word means nothing in this case. Seems like there could have been breaks not obvious to the naked eye. At this point though, the thought bothers me less than what we now know.

There are zip files of xrays for each of them in the discovery, but they were not part of the release.
 
If he just wanted to come clean and exonerate Shanann all he had to was what he did, plead guilty, admit to killing them all with premeditation. Who stands to benefit from this latest 'admission' or more to the point who was it meant to hurt even more? He has done this for a selfish reason, we just don't yet know exactly what. IMO.
 
Maybe somebody from his fan club can send him an edition of embraced by the Light about a woman that died for 16 hours and saw the afterlife to some it is beautiful but to him I think it will scare the crap out of him more than the fumes at the oil tanks, im sorry because I'm usually not this mean or hateful but there's just something about this case and this person that scares the you know what out of me ie The Devil's Advocate!!
 
Ha! I’m not giving him any credit for doing that, nor am I saying that he’s any less of a monster.

I’m simply saying that he’s not hiding behind that facade anymore.

He’s doing this for selfish reasons, but this isn’t about twisting the knife.

He wants absolution. Best of luck with that CW.
Yeah, well if he tries to say SW's murder was a crime of passion/rage and the children out of fear or basically anything other than I WANTED THIS ALL TO HAPPEN - I WANTED TO BE FREE OF MY OLD LIFE TO START A NEW ONE BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY then I say he has once again failed at his mission (this time for redemption) because if memory serves, his god knows what he is thinking and he is not being entirely truthful yet again.
 
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