Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34, dec.), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #3

[Charliegizmo49]

BBM

That he was abusing their children ?
Some would think he'd be incapable of that... but a person who will murder can certainly stoop to such lows.

Or possibly he just snapped and killed them while disciplining them after the party ?

Although this seems to be premeditated --like he thought of the most horrifying ways to 'punish' her. I don't think he 'snapped'.

I hate to think what her final moments were as she walked into that house that night.
A demon awaited her.....

*graphic *

Since they were found in gas/oil tanks... they will most likely be unable to be autopsied , due to decomp.
Maybe someone with experience in the medical field can weigh in ?

It certainly will impact autopsy but from a legal standpoint it has to be done. There should be a certain amount of information discoverable and that’s what prosecutors will have to work with at trial.

Not an expert but have worked with many death investigations.

 

[Thinker Belle]

This article has a good timeline. I did not know that SW confided to a friend recently that she suspected that CW had been unfaithful.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.me...-of-infidelity-an-emotional-conversation/amp/

 

[NanZDrew]

I worked for a company that did industrial cleaning on oilfield tanks. The tanks hold various things. Some contain condensate (the lighter liquids) and some tanks hold crude which is very heavy and over time will harden into an asphalt like material. If he put the girls in a crude tank, their bodies would likely never have been discovered. They would be covered and encased in heavy asphalt. Even if the tanks were cleaned, the bodies would not likely be discovered even then. The news says he was an operator at one of Anadarko's plants. Usually that position involves sitting inside a processing facility and watching the plant functions and keeping the plant running efficiently. The location of the bodies looked like it might have been an offsite drill site. Those sites will usually have various tanks and are often in very desolate locations. (They usually have cameras to protect against theft, although he may have turned the camera off and used going to the site to fix the camera as an excuse for being there.) I have wondered if one of the girls angered him and he hit her too hard killing her and then killed the other child. This could have been done earlier, and he could have backed his truck into the garage and put them into his toolboxes and dropped them in the tanks even before SW got home. His truck at the site would not have raised suspicions since he worked there and things have to be maintained 24 hours per day. It is hard to see how he would have removed all of the tools and put the girls in the toolboxes, otherwise, in that short timeframe. Oilfield operations, especially in the plant, goes on 24 hours per day, so there are usually 3 eight hour shifts.

 

[aurora101]

He may not care about his family, but he will hate seeing what HE is missing out on. I don't want him to die soon, that's too easy. I hope he's on suicide watch, there's a reason guys often commit suicide while incarcerated.

He won't do well in solitary in prison. I know it sounds better than gen pop but I assure you it's not. It's enough to drive a guy insane. Looks like this dude is already partway there, so I don't think he will handle it very well.

Since he doesn't exactly have many friends and no family in Colorado, he won't get many visitors. Prison in Colorado will not be a fun place for him. I hope he's there for 70 years.

Just my thoughts, but I don't want him to escape mentally by going insane from being in solitary confinement. I want him lucid and undrugged so he can fully experience his suffering out in the general population.

 

[Stunned]

Just my thoughts, but I don't want him to escape mentally by going insane. I want him to fully experience his suffering out in the general population.

Really? The man killed his wife and three children and grinned while talking about it on TV. I’m thinking emotional train left the building already.

 

[NanZDrew]

I wonder if the bodies would have ever been found in the oil tank if he had not confessed. How often does anyone look inside the tank? Would the bodies have disintegrated before anyone looked in there?

I just read an article that says they were in a tank containing crude. I used to quote cleaning services for tanks like this. When the crude is fresh, it is very thick like asphalt. Over time, it solidifies and actually has to be chiseled out of the tank. If someone looked in the tank, they would not see the girls because they would be covered with asphalt. They would not smell them either. The crude has a very strong, aromatic smell on its own. Don't know if the bodies would have disintegrated because there would not be very much oxygen, and they would be encapsulated in very thick to hardened crude. Companies go many years before cleaning these tanks because it is incredibly expensive to do so.

 

[aurora101]

If he is a psychopath, and that possibility is there, given what he has done, he would have started to devalue Shanann at some point in time. He would have been looking at everything she did with an extremely critical eye and it would have festered until he decided he was done. If he is a psychopath, he blames her for making him kill her and their children. JMO

If you watch some of videos of SW's work trips that SW and CW went on together, he is often in the background (probably thought he was out of the video frame) looking very annoyed and/or not at all interested in participating with what his wife was doing.

 

[NanZDrew]

If you watch some of videos of SW's work trips that SW and CW went on together, he is often in the background (probably thought he was out of the video frame) looking very annoyed and/or not at all interested in participating with what his wife was doing.

I saw a wedding picture of them and she was grinning for the camera. He was standing somewhat behind her not smiling. I think she was outgoing and he was introverted and uncomfortable with people. He possibly was originally attracted to that, but later hated her for it out of jealousy that he could not connect with people as she could.

 

[aurora101]

Really? The man killed his wife and three children and grinned while talking about it on TV. I’m thinking emotional train left the building already.

IMHO he is a sociopath or a psychopath which are mental disorders, but with lucidity. So, he will understand fear and anxiety and will feel pain. He will also know that he probably will have no control over his situation, and that's one of the few ways to get to a sociopath/psychopath.

 

[NanZDrew]

IMHO he is a sociopath or a psychopath which are mental disorders, but with lucidity. So, he will understand fear and anxiety and will feel pain. He will also know that he probably will have no control over his situation, and that's one of the few ways to get to a sociopath/psychopath.

Possibly borderline personality disorder or antisocial, but I'm thinking borderline if he knew she was thinking of leaving him. One of the top reasons men kill wives is abandonment.

 

[NanZDrew]

I’ve been looking at oil tanks online for over an hour and don’t see anything with any type of larger opening on the top?!?!

I remember there possibly being an aerial view shared when they were searching. Anyone have a link to that video or photo?

Oil tanks have manways in them so that workers can enter them and maintenance them. Usually they are at the top. Some have manways on the side as well. She looked pretty lean. She would have fit into one. There are cameras on most of these sites, and little girls could be wrapped to looked like something else. A grown woman would have been harder to explain. He would have most likely had to carry her up a side ladder for a distance of 20 or 30 ft. That would not have been easy.

 

[RavenCC2020]

I have been so so so so hopeful that we will find out his children were sedated first. I have been telling myself that he sedated and then smothered them but now with it being likely that he strangled them (ugh) I hope they were completely and utterly knocked out by some type of heavy sedative. Isn’t it crazy when we begin to hope that a certain type of murder has taken place over another one? Crazy and sad that we have to be talking about this at all.

Here's a thought. If you are going to sedate them in order to kill them, why not give them so much it actually does the job for you. I can't imagine a person sedating someone so they can then strangle them. Strangling is up close and personal. Giving a kid something to drink and they never wake up sure sounds more "humane" then choking the life out of them.

I agree it is crazy that we we hope one form of murder took place rather then another. I guess it is because the visual of the other is too horrific to imagine.

 

[NanZDrew]

Oil tanks have manways in them so that workers can enter them and maintenance them. Usually they are at the top. Some have manways on the side as well. She looked pretty lean. She would have fit into one. There are cameras on most of these sites, and little girls could be wrapped to looked like something else. A grown woman would have been harder to explain. He would have most likely had to carry her up a side ladder for a distance of 20 or 30 ft. That would not have been easy.

Here is a link that shows the configuration of an above ground tank. It was manways of 24" to 36" diameter. There are both horizontal and vertical tanks but the manways are the same.

petroleum chemical aboveground vertical selecting and specifying - Highland Tank

 

[Herat]

It’s kinda weird LE wasn’t all over that truck quicker.

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I wonder if his “confession” was more of a “they’re all dead” instead of an “I killed them all”?

I think that's what we are going to hear..... and the defense will attempt to paint her as murdering her children

 

[Herat]

Here's a thought. If you are going to sedate them in order to kill them, why not give them so much it actually does the job for you. I can't imagine a person sedating someone so they can then strangle them. Strangling is up close and personal. Giving a kid something to drink and they never wake up sure sounds more "humane" then choking the life out of them.

I agree it is crazy that we we hope one form of murder took place rather then another. I guess it is because the visual of the other is too horrific to imagine.

The time to death will depend largely on the drug and dose, so its not entirely controllable

AND you have time to wait and have second thoughts about killing them.

 

[Herat]

Add on a 40 minute drive and that puts him digging about 6 am, unless he dug the shallow grave prior to that morning.

And 6 am is when work is starting and the sun is up on a hot August morning. Too late

 

[RavenCC2020]

I had a scenario in my mind too. I more arrogant, ruder scenario. She comes home at 2 and rushes towards the girl's room, to hug them goodnight.

He says, in a nice warm fatherly voice ---' they didn't sleep in their rooms, let me show you--they made a fort in the family room, it's really cute'----

And as she turns to go to the family room, he is walking behind her. He takes a rope/wire and throws it over her head and down to her neck, and pulls, bringing her down.

I don't think this happened but would make a great Lifetime movie!

 

[RavenCC2020]

The time to death will depend largely on the drug and dose, so its not entirely controllable

AND you have time to wait and have second thoughts about killing them.

True, but you could also give them something that wasn't actually a drug more like poison. Problem with both scenarios is sometimes people will vomit under these conditions. More work to clean up crime scene.

 

[RavenCC2020]

I wonder if the bodies would have ever been found in the oil tank if he had not confessed. How often does anyone look inside the tank? Would the bodies have disintegrated before anyone looked in there?

I think if SW being buried in a shallow grave she would have been found. They would automatically start looking in the area for her children. There is a chance they would think to look in a tank. On the other hand, if he had not buried SW there, I don't believe the kids would have been found for a very long time if at all. That plane coming in late really disrupted his plan. If his intention was to put her in there as well, doubtful they would be found any time soon.

 

[Amonet]

and oh

that doll thing is not ok

i thought really i dont think a kid would do that

and if they did if i was a parent i sure as heck would not posting it online

talk morbid

oh look how adorable that -- they made what looks like a murder scene

sorry guys that was just shocking to me to when i first saw it

Why would a kid leave out the legs ?

it seems like a kid would leave the head out like it was someone tucked in a bed not a corpse at murder scene -- strange stuff imo

I'm not sure about the doll scene. Would a child know what it looked like to an adult? They're only three and four years old (were only )

I wouldn't have known at that age what it would look like to me now. I know there's the playing out thing, but on the other hand children who've never experienced abuse or trauma carry their dolls by the hand...not a position you'd use to carry a real child. That's one reason why you give toddlers toy dolls and don't put them in charge of a real baby.