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Just wanted to say Happy Mothers Day, Suzanne, on this sad anniversary.
Unfortunately, past successes in interrogations does not help the outcome of this case. I do applaud him for the the times he did acquire the needed info to convict.I agree.
Based on an interview I watched, Grusing notably got real-world, deep dive, first hand exposure to the inner workings, mannerisms and justifications of a deeply disturbed serial killer by the name of Scott Kimball. This insight definitely contributed to Grusing’s successful career as an FBI Agent IMO. He knows what to look for and time/pace himself when interviewing these murderers to sniff them out. I feel he sensed there was more to BM beyond the murder of his wife and was extracting as much as he could based on his instincts and training. What that could possibly be is yet to be brought forward, but based on MOO of BM’s behavior and personality, I feel there is more there.
IMO MOO
BBM. I wonder if you'd be kind enough to explain these points, which you have often repeated.Unfortunately, past successes in interrogations does not help the outcome of this case. I do applaud him for the the times he did acquire the needed info to convict.
Two years later now. There is no possibility of other charges. I want him charged and convicted of Murder. I wish he would have got enough in this case for a trial and conviction . it is rare to have a direct line to a murderer for 30 hours of questioning. Only one person had the ability to back BM into a corner and leave no reasonable doubt of his guilt. Grusing failed in that aspect, on this case.
My point is simple. We will never know if BM would have lawyered up, confessed, or denied culpability because he was never interrogated. The method used was ineffective in this case. BM is a free man, even after 30 hours of "interviews".BBM. I wonder if you'd be kind enough to explain these points, which you have often repeated.
The reason this case was dismissed was not insufficient evidence. In fact, the evidence presented in the AA and circulated in Chaffee County convinced a sufficient percentage of that community of BM's guilt that he couldn't get an impartial jury there, according to the judge.
Would I be wrong to infer from your statements that you believe BM would have confessed if he had been taken into custody, advised of his rights, and interrogated as a suspect, using the Reid technique or other coercive techniques? That he would not have exercised his right to an attorney and ceased to cooperate at all, as soon as that happened?
Do you believe a coercive interrogation can take place without taking the witness into custody?
In either case, would agent Grusing have been the one to make the decision to go coercive, or would it be Sheriff Spezze? After all, Agent Grusing was assisting local LE, not leading his own agency's inquiry.
It seems clear that you expected BM to be brought in to an interrogation room and coerced to confess. At this point I think that is an unrealistic expectation, but I'm open to persuasion.
oh yes all of this. I will not be surprised to find he has committed other atrocities. He seems to have a thing for 14 yr old girls. I sure hope IN authorities have their ears on hawk.IDK JMO that Grusing was patiently waiting for information from his interviewee which may or may not have been related to BM's murder of Suzanne. I still think Bury was involved in other crimes and may have made his "living" in such a way. ''If I open up my life to you". MOO I also suspect Bury had some kind of substance abuse issue. MOO
Of course we know! BM was, in fact, taken into custody last May and advised. He would not submit to interrogation and did not confess. He immediately asked to see a lawyer and ceased to cooperate.My point is simple. We will never know if BM would have lawyered up, confessed, or denied culpability because he was never interrogated. The method used was ineffective in this case. BM is a free man, even after 30 hours of "interviews".
I can’t believe that even for a hot moment. I know there have been people who push that theory but there is absolutely nothing that leads down that path of speculation.oh yes all of this. I will not be surprised to find he has committed other atrocities. He seems to have a thing for 14 yr old girls. I sure hope IN authorities have their ears on hawk.
This is interesting. Has IE asked the Colorado AG to exercise his authority under this statute? What would be the worst case scenario for LS? Removal from office? The AG can seek any and all appropriate relief to eliminate a pattern or practice that deprives persons of the rights, privileges, or immunities provided by law. Would that include paying BM's attorney fees, I wonder?Take note that all this talk by IE in regards to the civil suit arena is born of the untested, newly enacted Colorado law, effective Sept 2020 (passed in the wave of police reform after George Floyd's death), banning qualified immunity of law enforcement, allowing individuals and families to personally sue law enforcement officers for civil rights violations.
In IE's earlier interview a few days ago with local Westward, IE provided she worked on legislation last year that would allow defendants to personally sue Prosecutors but the bill failed to gain momentum-- which she's no doubt trying to correct using the Morphew case to create political awareness and reintroduce the bill.
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An inside look at Colorado's year-old qualified immunity ban
The ban allows Coloradans to file individual lawsuits against police for alleged civil rights violations but caps potential payouts at $25,000.www.kxlf.com
Just this June, the Colorado legislature expanded its ban on qualified immunity to include Highway Patrol troopers and Colorado Bureau of Investigation officers.
Also, see public integrity violations:
SECTION 13. In Colorado Revised Statutes, add 24-31-113 as follows: 24-31-113. Public integrity - patterns and practices.
IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR ANY GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITY, OR ANY AGENT THEREOF, OR ANY PERSON ACTING ON BEHALF OF A GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITY, TO ENGAGE IN A PATTERN OR PRACTICE OF CONDUCT BY PEACE OFFICERS OR BY OFFICIALS OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY THAT DEPRIVES PERSONS OF RIGHTS, PRIVILEGES, OR IMMUNITIES SECURED OR PROTECTED BY THE CONSTITUTION OR LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES OR THE STATE OF COLORADO.
WHENEVER THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS REASONABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT A VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION HAS OCCURRED, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, FOR OR IN THE NAME OF THE STATE OF COLORADO, MAY IN A CIVIL ACTION OBTAIN ANY AND ALL APPROPRIATE RELIEF TO ELIMINATE THE PATTERN OR PRACTICE. BEFORE FILING SUIT, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHALL NOTIFY THE GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY OR ANY AGENT THEREOF, AND PROVIDE IT WITH THE FACTUAL BASIS THAT SUPPORTS HIS OR HER REASONABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE A VIOLATION OCCURRED. UPON RECEIPT OF THE FACTUAL BASIS, THE GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY, OR ANY AGENT THEREOF, HAS SIXTY DAYS TO CHANGE OR ELIMINATE THE IDENTIFIED PATTERN OR PRACTICE. IF THE IDENTIFIED PATTERN OR PRACTICE IS NOT CHANGED OR ELIMINATED AFTER SIXTY DAYS, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MAY FILE A CIVIL LAWSUIT.
If I were Iris I would be strategizing how to recover expenses Barry incurred. He might need her again in the future and she knows that and knows what is probably left in his wallet.This is interesting. Has IE asked the Colorado AG to exercise his authority under this statute? What would be the worst case scenario for LS? Removal from office? The AG can seek any and all appropriate relief to eliminate a pattern or practice that deprives persons of the rights, privileges, or immunities provided by law. Would that include paying BM's attorney fees, I wonder?
Botox now along with the veneers? Bury is like lipstick on a pig. I’m afraid to watch the GMA video so I appreciate others reports and comments. Also putting on my big girl panties to watch it. Happy Mother’s Day and hopefully justice soon for Suzanne. I imagine her girls are having a rough time today. So totally wrong and unfair. Their father stole the greatest gift and cheated his daughters out of everything young girls deserve. Again lipstick on a pig.Two years ago, on Mother's Day, Suzanne was reported as a Missing Person although her body still has not been found. While I won't pretend to know what happened after she was killed, I am hopeful that this season of searching will finally lead to the discovery of where Suzanne was hidden.
This case upset me more than all I've followed with the exception of Abby and Libby's murders. I left WS for a couple of years after A&L's murders and have stepped away from Suzanne's murder, from time to time. The very thought of a man chasing his betrothed with a tranquilizer gun was so terrifying that it was nearly inconceivable, unthinkable, unbearable. Yet we know by the evidence garnered that Barry stalked, hunted, then chased after his wife as if she were a trophy in the mountains. Suzanne did not go down easy. Deep fingernail marks were made on her husband's arm as she fought for her life.
The second most common cause for a partner to be murdered is in order to gain. Cui bono? Who benefitted the most by Suzanne disappearing?
@ 1:00
"I just love my girls" Barry says while shaking head in affirmation.
"And, I love my wife. And, I just want her to be found" Barry says while shaking his head side to side with negative connotation.
@ 1:06 his eyebrows are raised but the grief muscle between them is smooth for there is no grief in him.
moo
CONCERNING MEASURES TO ENHANCE LAW ENFORCEMENT INTEGRITY, AND, IN CONNECTION THEREWITH, MAKING AN APPROPRIATION (i.e., the preface to Senate Bill 20-217),.... IMO, I don't see any expectation for the Attorney General to act pursuant to HB 20-217, but where this placeholder (i.e., Section 13) is simply being used to bleed the qualified immunity ban, very similar to how the Colorado legislature recently expanded the initial ban for "Peace Officers" to now include Highway Patrol troopers and Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) officers. We know that IE is actively working to add Prosecutors to the list that can be held personally responsible for a money grab.This is interesting. Has IE asked the Colorado AG to exercise his authority under this statute? What would be the worst case scenario for LS? Removal from office? The AG can seek any and all appropriate relief to eliminate a pattern or practice that deprives persons of the rights, privileges, or immunities provided by law. Would that include paying BM's attorney fees, I wonder?
Whatever benefit they thought this skit would accomplish is a giant fail to Bury. He seems to have gotten more stupid after two years. Comparing his mugshot with how he looks now, it appears killing Suzanne is eating him alive. No amount of botox, veneers, or tanning is going to help him. Karma doing its thing.Two years ago, on Mother's Day, Suzanne was reported as a Missing Person although her body still has not been found. While I won't pretend to know what happened after she was killed, I am hopeful that this season of searching will finally lead to the discovery of where Suzanne was hidden.
This case upset me more than all I've followed with the exception of Abby and Libby's murders. I left WS for a couple of years after A&L's murders and have stepped away from Suzanne's murder, from time to time. The very thought of a man chasing his betrothed with a tranquilizer gun was so terrifying that it was nearly inconceivable, unthinkable, unbearable. Yet we know by the evidence garnered that Barry stalked, hunted, then chased after his wife as if she were a trophy in the mountains. Suzanne did not go down easy. Deep fingernail marks were made on her husband's arm as she fought for her life.
The second most common cause for a partner to be murdered is in order to gain. Cui bono? Who benefitted the most by Suzanne disappearing?
@ 1:00
"I just love my girls" Barry says while shaking head in affirmation.
"And, I love my wife. And, I just want her to be found" Barry says while shaking his head side to side with negative connotation.
@ 1:06 his eyebrows are raised but the grief muscle between them is smooth for there is no grief in him.
moo
Yes, agree.I agree.
Based on an interview I watched, Grusing notably got real-world, deep dive, first hand exposure to the inner workings, mannerisms and justifications of a deeply disturbed serial killer by the name of Scott Kimball. This insight definitely contributed to Grusing’s successful career as an FBI Agent IMO. He knows what to look for and time/pace himself when interviewing these murderers to sniff them out. I feel he sensed there was more to BM beyond the murder of his wife and was extracting as much as he could based on his instincts and training. What that could possibly be is yet to be brought forward, but based on MOO of BM’s behavior and personality, I feel there is more there.
IMO MOO
All I’m saying is that I wish one of these 2 IN men that seem to have a ‘thing for 14 yr old girls’ would get caught and let justice be served. It is long overdue.oh yes all of this. I will not be surprised to find he has committed other atrocities. He seems to have a thing for 14 yr old girls. I sure hope IN authorities have their ears on hawk.
He has to keep the lie going as long as possible. Unfortunately the investigation, prosecution, and Judge Llama made it possible for him to spin a narrative that was never challenged. She disappeared on a bike ride, after spending a great night together. The steak and sex were so good she ignored and stopped communicating with everyone she has ever known or loved.