Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #11

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I respectfully disagree/agree... I have no competitive desire to be on the right side of the fence. I am fortunate that I do not have to be right. That pressure is on LE. because someone should be held accountable. Tomorrow I will be on the other side of fence...guilty. Because any bias I may seem to show really isn’t aboutBM, it is about Suzanne. Many of your points have been made by many others, you seem to feel a need to reenforce that or to push me off the fence...I think I am going to tie myself on, because I may just wait until I get more info from LE. not just all the dissecting of what we think we know or don’t. I would hate to convict someone in the evidence WE have.

Fair enough. Please know that I have no need to push you or anyone off the fence. Some fence-sitters have pled for additional clues et al. to help them get off the fence. One joked that sitting on the fence was painful. My comment was a reaction to that, and nothing more. Yes, I do think that GordianKnot's observation was very astute and offers an important clue, but I also owned it as my opinion. Apologies if you felt pushed, that was certainly not my intent.
 
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Fair enough. Please know that I have no need to push you or anyone off the fence. Some fence-sitters have pled for additional clues et al. to help them get off the fence. One joked that sitting on the fence was painful. My comment was a reaction to that, and nothing more. Yes, I do think that GordianKnot's observation was very astute and offers an important clue, but I also owned it as my opinion. Apologies if you felt pushed, that was certainly not my intent.
And sitting on the fence is fine, especially at this stage but we don’t even have basic facts.

I am guided by how law enforcement is handling this, but there’s no way I could make a compelling argument as to guilt or innocence. We need evidence for that.

I do have a strong opinion as to where this is heading though.

My point though is that stating that everything is rosy based on expensive houses and pretty appearances, is not evidence that all was well.

I think we’re going to learn some things.
 
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BM came home to this. IMO someone grabbed her wrestled the bike away from her and threw it down the ravine. My heart goes out to him and his daughters. 3 1/2 weeks and you have both LE and FBI there. :confused: If they had believed in the husband in the first place, like I do , maybe she would have been found.
If so her feet would have at some point hit the ground (or her body). Dogs would have picked up her scent.
 
This case, like many, will likely be a circumstantial case. Direct evidence is: confession by the perp, eyewitness to the crime, or video of the crime being committed. Everything else is Circumstantial Evidence. That includes forensic evidence, digital evidence...everything that's not Direct Evidence.
Yes, agreed!
The death of K. Berreth was circumstantial.
 
So if someone grabbed her and threw the bike down the ravine, tossed her into a vehicle, drove a couple hundred miles away, give or take, killed her and buried her in the wilderness somewhere, or disposed of her some other way, how is that the fault of LE that she hasn’t been found? I don’t understand your logic.
The fault lies in them occupied with proving the husband did it, tearing up cement going through their home, etc. etc. How about Searching elsewhere for her?
 
BM does not seem worried at all about him being a suspect. He's not intellectual or articulate because he works with tradespeople. That's the way they talk. He is very very successful and has built them a wonderful life. I am glad his mother came there for support.
I hope for everyone’s sake he’s been cleared and that someone else is at fault of shattering their seemingly wonderful life.
 
Million dollar home expensive vacations. They have a wonderful life.
“They have a wonderful life?” On what do you base that statement? There are many people living in million dollar homes, driving expensive vehicles and going on expensive vacations until the cash runs out, or rather, the credit cards get maxed out and they apply for bankruptcy. It’s quite possible this is why SM is missing. Wonderful life? :rolleyes: MOO
 
Talk about man-bashing. Glad his daughters don't see this and I don't think Suzanne would like this either.
 
The fault lies in them occupied with proving the husband did it, tearing up cement going through their home, etc. etc. How about Searching elsewhere for her?
Many times "fault" lies with a mate, particularly a husband.

"Among white victims murdered by their spouses, 38 percent
of the victims were husbands and 62 percent were wives. Most murders inside the family happened at night--62 percent.
Alcohol was often part of the fatal scenario. Nearly half of the
killers and a third of their victims had been drinking at the time
of the family homicide."

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/mif.pr
 
Are there any past examples of this happening? Where LE caught a killer visiting the location of the victim?

Gannon Stauch. Who might have been moved two or three times, but certainly was "visited" by the killer as she moved him from house to car to outdoor spot to moving van to Florida.

I can't remember the names of serial killers very well, but Ted Bundy revisited. So did Jesperson (I think I spelled that right).

We know for certain the Ms were currently sharing a home right? Not to throw a monkey wrench but it just hit me. We know for sure that BM left from the family home for his trip? “The girls need you”. It sounds unlike what a spouse would say.

No, we do not know for certain that they were sharing a home. In fact, one can be on that fence as well. Since LE widened the time frame for which they sought video, and since BM has never said when he last saw Suzanne, you can read it either way. Maybe she lived alone at that house for some time. Maybe not.

No, we do not know that he left from the family home, although he says he had a conversation with Suzanne on Sunday morning, informing her he'd be heading off on Mother's Day. Since he hasn't said this publicly and in a form that's believable, I don't believe him at this point.

He does seem distanced from his spouse, in his youtube video.

Relax. I answered a question here and we are here to speculate - that's what we do here. I've seen wilder things postulated here. Someone asked a question and I gave an answer that's a real life possibility. No sleuthing involved - it's a possibility as much as others.

To answer your question "how would they know..." family do talk to each other and they're not little kidlets - they'd want to know as much as possible. It would odd to assume they weren't told anything and at that time, there'd be so much anxiety that any number of things could have come up in the conversations.

ETA: So, not the daughters because now I see that BM was referred to by name in the email the only person I ever heard speak about themselves in the third person was 'Jimmy' on Seinfeld.

Can you tell us where you saw the email, as opposed to hearing what the pastor said the email said?

Thanks. That's a pretty major disclosure, if someone has released the actual email as opposed to merely talking about it.

The pastor referred to BM by name but never showed us the email. To me it sounds like the pastor used normal human language to refer to the sender of the email - which is why if you have a link to the email, I think we'd all like to see it.

Otherwise, very open to interpretation. (And I almost never relax while thinking about crime - but thanks for the suggestion).
 
The fault lies in them occupied with proving the husband did it, tearing up cement going through their home, etc. etc. How about Searching elsewhere for her?

How about going back and searching Monarch Pass again? Really, if some tourist from Arizona who has no business even being in the mountains at all can step out of his vehicle, while filming himself and talking a blue streak, to discover an entire meal laying on the ground that was missed by searchers..................someone needs to get serious about the mission of finding a missing woman. IMO
 
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Regardless of anything I have read and what little is verified, no way could I buy that the daughters did not come home that night. That would make zero sense to me.

I wish we knew. BM says they were "running late." Some people on WS seem to think they were 14 hours away. I think it was at least 7-8 hours away.

But we really have no idea except that the Fire Chief reports on Barry's temporary living arrangement (family home is under investigation) and says he doesn't know where the daughters are.

And we're not allowed to sleuth them. I can think of several scenarios in which the daughters decided to stay elsewhere - but that's mere speculation.
 
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