CO - The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #3

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves

New Posts

Status
Not open for further replies.
mysterygirl said:
So I've been thinking (scary I know)

Let's say someone slipped her a cocktail. It could have even been in more than one dose but close enough together to get an additive effect and subsequent toxicity.

The elavil was at a super high level.

What is the major side effect seen with elavil besides sleep.............dry mouth.

I'm wondering if Morgan ever complained of dry mouth.......was extra thirsty, had a funny taste etc.

To me.........if you are going to commit suicide why take a cocktail of drugs. Usually people just go with something major that will knock out respirations etc....

I'm still not leaning to suicide at all. There is just too much that is hinky about those particular drugs.
Click to expand...

BBM.
It is not uncommon for a "cocktail" of drugs to be taken in suicide. The pathologist must take samples from blood, urine, and various body tissues and then has the difficult task of trying to work out what contribution each component of the cocktail made to the death. The presence of a suicide note at the scene of a poisoning (or other suicide) may be taken as an indication of suicide rather than an accident. However, the absence of a note does not mean the act was necessarily accidental. Some people simply do not leave a note, perhaps to protect the feelings of loved ones by trying to make the act look accidental. Moreover, forged notes may be used to help stage a homicide as a suicide. As ever, all the evidence must be carefully assessed to arrive at the truth.
Click to expand...
http://www.enotes.com/suicide-investigation-reference/suicide-investigation
 
lillygator said:
exactly.

tomorro my goal is to find the mom's initial reaction and in order of posting....the first one, imo, she said she had no reason to suspect anything - yet her child being stalked - murder never crossed her mind? then she posted after the dr told her or advised it being murder. and then the radio sho on here another different story.
Click to expand...

I'm wondering if the entire point is the death certificate. This does raise eyebrows. Other than emotional reasons, what other reasons would you need a death certificate to declare "natural causes" or "murder".
 
Confusion said:
I've read the blog a few times now, listened to the radio show live and to the transcript again later. As I said, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything; however, if there is proof positive that the person they suspect did it and was working alone, I seem to have missed it. Do you have a link for it?
Click to expand...

No, there is no proof. He was questioned, so were the friends, and nothing. I did see others pointing out that the Sheriff's logs show that there is a lot of peeping tom activity in the area. That suggests there could have been someone, just not the someone they thought. It could have been a stranger.

ETA: Now that I think about that would fit the mo. There were none of the usually stalking activities, the creepy phone calls, threats, gifts, stalking while at friend's houses or ballet instruction, etc...
 
Somewhere in the blog comments, Toni mention Morgan did recognize the person the second time she was followed. Could it be a coincident that they were just heading in the same direction...... But something, sometimes tells you no, that's not the case. I can't help but wonder if Morgan saw whoever this was on more then just car following, and she didn't tell anyone. Because everyone goes to the movie, out to dinner, or to a party. At 20, you might not really realize what is taking place. So, I'm 100 percent sure its someone she knows.
I think she might of started getting drugged that week, to tired to go to class, right? Its that or she was coming down with a cold.
Unless it is ever said M took drugs, or did use something to sleep, maybe friends will say something, but I honestly don't think she took her life. I can not see her leaving her parents.... and her animals.
 
The 4 hrs she didnt return her moms text seems unusual also because she always seemed to respond right back.
 
MayraMM said:
I'll have to try that with the next meth head that comes to my door looking for the previous residents (squatters)! :dance:
Click to expand...

I wish I'd thought of that for the people who came around almost two yrs after we moved in looking for a package they'd 'accidentally' had delivered here. My explanation that the parcel in question, which the courier had left on our doorstep while we were out, had been driven down to the delivery company's office with instructions not to deliver any more in the name concerned or it'd be going straight to the cops (our neighbours had told us about some hinky comings and goings and numerous LE visits during the previous owners' tenure) seemed to upset them though. :wink:
 
Ravynne said:
Why is it that we haven't heard anything from M's friends?
Click to expand...

In the blog, if you go to the very beginning (before mom starts posting about the stalking) there are a few post that mom publishes on there where friends have sent Morgan pretty notes and poems. Seems like she had a pretty close knit group of friends. Everybody's FB is private that I can see. Well, everything except the friend's that re-post the blog on their facebook page and made that posting public.

Confusion said:
I've read the blog a few times now, listened to the radio show live and to the transcript again later. As I said, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything; however, if there is proof positive that the person they suspect did it and was working alone, I seem to have missed it. Do you have a link for it?
Click to expand...

I think mom and dad suspect a certain someone....but it has never been proven, to my knowledge.

cluciano63 said:
Thanks wasn't sure, this thread is listed under "Crimes in the News" so I wondered.
Click to expand...

There are a few news articles about this case.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/09/07/parents-say-daughter-was-murdered-want-investigation-reopened/

http://www.postindependent.com/article/20120901/VALLEYNEWS/120839978

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...bout-daughters-death-gains-national-attention

here is an article that somebody wrote to the Post Independent article above and mom reposted it on her blog
http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=954
 
mysterygirl said:
If the cameras caught only Steve..........it could have been animals .....bird.....not picked up by camera.

Doesn't mean that stalking wasn't happening. Evidently they truly believed it or Steve wouldn't be shown on camera hauling butt after.........him

Also.....

Did cameras cover tree to get on roof? Could this guy have actually been on the roof with Steve running around in a circle and never thinking to look up?
Click to expand...

if he was on the roof the cameras would have caught him first.
 
Just a FYI for those new to the M story.

Here's some of the friend's post
http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=954

The blog was opened June 6, 2012. The stalking doesn't start until Aug 2, 2011, which would be Aug 2, 2012 when mom starts the process.

There are almost 3 months of information on the blog before the Aug 2, 2012 date. There is some details and information in those 3 mths. It tells you about M and her friends. Shows pictures of M with her family.
 
Marshmallow said:
if he was on the roof the cameras would have caught him first.
Click to expand...

At the time this took place they never thought at all that he would be on the roof. Now I wonder if the tree they think the suspect used had a camera pointed at it.
 
On June 23, 2012, Mom wrote about sending letters to the men in hats
http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=122

On July 10th, mom wrote about M being killed.
http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=228

On July 22, 2012, mom wrote how the truth is coming out soon
http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=299

On July 31, 2012, Mom writes how he may have killed her body, but not her soul.
http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=372


On Aug 31, 2012, Mom writes in detail about the ME and the men in little hats. Well, IMO, this tells you how it all went down with the reporter and the ME.
http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=920

IMO, it seems like the parents started to ask questions before the ME changed the cause of death.
 
Tugela said:
Given those issues, the only way she could have got a dose like that is if she did it delibrately. Maybe suicide, or maybe self medication and she miscalculated.
Click to expand...

Oh, I agree it was deliberate (not an accident)...just don't agree that she did this deliberately. I think she could have been coerced to drink this if the stalker was armed with a hunting knife, for example. We know her animals slept with her, and her parents were down the hall.

As a fairly intelligent girl with a high school diploma and an AA degree, I think you can rule out a miscalculation of dose from hundreds to thousands.

I think you have successfully knocked out accidental overdose, but haven't proven suicide.
 
reminder: medical information needs either linked up or verification as a professional. Below is the link that describes the process for verification:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65798"]Rules Etiquette & Information - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
 
ATasteOfHoney said:
I agree and I would also like to add that it is not kind to imply professionals involved with the case are (at best) inept; and that laypeople are involved when there's no sound proof.
Click to expand...
yes, they way they go on and keep posting the names is just not right.

concernedmother said:
The 4 hrs she didnt return her moms text seems unusual also because she always seemed to respond right back.
Click to expand...

wasn't there somewhat of an arguement that night? she wanted to stay out or something?


well, I am off to research!
 
lillygator said:
yes, they way they go on and keep posting the names is just not right.



wasn't there somewhat of an arguement that night? she wanted to stay out or something?


well, I am off to research!
Click to expand...

Wouldn't be the first time I've heard somebody complain about LE, or ME's and use names. It happens. They do work for the public, right?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

DNASolves

Who is DeKalb County John Doe (2022)?

Members online

... and 122 more.
Total: 2,023 (members: 123, guests: 1,900)

Online statistics

Members online
123
Guests online
1,900
Total visitors
2,023
Totals may include hidden visitors.

Forum statistics

Threads
601,490
Messages
18,125,307
Members
231,069
Latest member
megamookie
Back
Top