Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #11

[michmi]

In the Dr. Drew clip, he mentioned that doctors routinely recommend parents getting conservatorship over a child if they are noncompliant with treatment, and they often do not because of denial or not wanting to rock the boat.

Because they seem to disassociate themselves or maintain they had no responsibility for what their mentally ill adult child did, I wonder if making a parent legally responsible (including in any resulting lawsuits) would motivate some of them to take whatever measures are necessary to maintain the public's safety?

It's not exactly the same, but with people who have dementia, the spouse or family are usually reluctant to make the person stop driving, but when you point out to them that there can be financial and legal repercussions beyond what insurance will pay (and their own insurance company may refuse due to prior knowledge), the family often becomes motivated to do what is needed.

Some people are motivated by financial loss and nothing else.

 

[onebyone]

In the Dr. Drew clip, he mentioned that doctors routinely recommend parents getting conservatorship over a child if they are noncompliant with treatment, and they often do not because of denial or not wanting to rock the boat.

Because they seem to disassociate themselves or maintain they had no responsibility for what their mentally ill adult child did, I wonder if making a parent legally responsible (including in any resulting lawsuits) would motivate some of them to take whatever measures are necessary to maintain the public's safety?

Getting a conservatorship over your child can be very, very hard to do. Nearly everything having to do with getting your child mental health care can be the equivalent of hitting your head up against the wall. :banghead:

I definitely do not think that parents should be legally responsible for what their mentally ill adult children do save obvious cases like they are commiting the crimes along with their child. You can try your best, but in the end, they are adults and the system there to "help" you is heavily, heavily flawed.

 

[GreenTeam]

I am finding myself doubting that he had Asperger's, which is a high-functioning form of autism. I don't see him as being high-functioning at all. I think he had one or more other mental illnesses.

First they said the final investigative report would be released in early March. Now they're saying June. I think they are keeping it under wraps because they want to keep the focus on gun control, rather than on early diagnosis and treatment of mental illness. It would be very helpful for them to release the info ASAP, so we as a society can learn from this and make meaningful changes.

 

[HMSHood]

Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...leased-about-contents-of-the-lanza-house.html

Rather odd he kept his report card from Sandy Hook for a long time. He must be really emotionally immature. He does not let go easily.

I am finding myself doubting that he had Asperger's, which is a high-functioning form of autism. I don't see him as being high-functioning at all. I think he had one or more other mental illnesses.

First they said the final investigative report would be released in early March. Now they're saying June. I think they are keeping it under wraps because they want to keep the focus on gun control, rather than on early diagnosis and treatment of mental illness. It would be very helpful for them to release the info ASAP, so we as a society can learn from this and make meaningful changes.

I do not think he had Asperger's at all or is the kind who would isolate himself. I am thinking Schizotypal and Paranoid Personality Disorder and possibly Schizophrenia.

 

[HMSHood]

This initially bothered me.
But after all the information that has come out it doesn't anymore.

It is even possible she would have been charged with a crime for freely allowing him access to weapons.
That may be part of the reason he killed her, to prevent her from taking the fall for him.

I can totally understand why people in Newtown don't see her as a victim. I wouldn't either. :twocents:

I think he killed Nancy Lanza out of anger and resentment because he shot her four times. Than again, she was asleep and died in her sleep.

 

[FragileSugar]

I think he killed Nancy Lanza out of anger and resentment because he shot her four times. Than again, she was asleep and died in her sleep.

We'll never really know for sure if she was asleep, will we? While I hope she was I have felt from the beginning that if he was angry enough to shoot her four times in the head, I think he probably would have woken her up.

I did think it was odd that in this article it says "Nancy Lanza's body in her bed with a gunshot wound to her forehead and a rifle on the floor nearby."

BBM for emphasis. Are they now saying she was only shot once?

 

[Darkman00]

Questions linger about Lanza's mindset

Dirk Perrefort and Michael P. Mayko

Published 6:58 pm, Friday, March 29, 2013

Despite a wealth of evidence collected from Adam Lanza's home by investigators, the release of previously sealed documents has left many questions unanswered.

Investigators are continuing to examine documents, journals, computer equipment and receipts found at the scene, and interviewing witnesses who might shed more light on Lanza's state of mind before he blasted his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School, where he killed 20 young children and six educators on Dec. 14.

But one direction of the probe seems clear: By moving to keep secret the serial numbers on the gunman's gaming consoles, investigators appear intent on tracking down people with whom Lanza, an avid gamer, was playing and communicating.

"We already know the warning signs that pre-exist before these kind of shootings," said Mary Ellen O'Toole, a retired FBI behavioral analyst whose expertise is in mass homicides and school violence. "And one of the most compelling is leakage -- telling someone ahead of time what you're going to do."

O'Toole said investigators will want to know who Lanza corresponded with online, and who might have influenced his decisions.

"Were there other people he was in contact with that gave him the ability to mentally fuel the attack?" she asked

Read more: http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Questions-linger-about-Lanza-s-mindset-4395821.php

 

[Darkman00]

Valentin said the loaded 12-gauge shotgun as well as two magazines each containing 70 rounds of ammunition left behind in the car while Lanza was in the school is "a tremendous amount of firepower" that could have made things "far worse than they were."

Valentine said he wonders why Lanza left that weaponry behind, and whether he was planning to go anywhere else after the school attack.

Answers could be contained in the volume of papers, printed emails and seven journals Lanza wrote. Those documents could also tell why Lanza targeted Sandy Hook Elementary -- a school that a witness told the FBI was Lanza's "life."

O'Toole said that while not a complete statement, "I would interpret that to mean going to that school was very important to him, and then he stopped going there."

That, she said, could have fostered feelings of resentment.

"You don't just wake up one day and decide you're unhappy and resentful and want to go to a school and kill 20 children," O'Toole said. "That takes a lot of building blocks, and a lot of time. He had to develop this mentality of retaliation and wanting to take revenge."

Read more at the Source (click)

 

[Darkman00]

Eugene Robinson

Maximum mayhem must be minimized

Published: March 29, 2013

The gunman in the Newtown massacre fired 154 bullets from his Bushmaster military-style rifle in less than five minutes, killing 20 first-graders and six adults. He brought with him 10 large-capacity magazines, each holding up to 30 rounds, which allowed him to reload quickly. He also carried two semiautomatic handguns, one of which he used to take his own life.

Is this supposed to be the price of the Second Amendment? Is this the kind of America we want?

I know that realists have concluded there is little chance of getting an assault weapons ban through Congress. I know that many gun-control advocates believe legislation mandating universal background checks, thought to have a reasonably good chance of being approved, can be even more valuable in preventing future Newtown-style tragedies. I know that politics is the art of the possible.

But still it’s hard for me to accept that the right to “keep and bear arms” extends to the kind of arsenal that Adam Lanza – and his mother, Nancy, whom he also killed – assembled and kept in their home.

Lanza was outfitted like a commando, with guns and ammo clips engineered to kill the maximum number of people in the minimum amount of time...

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/03/29/2788993/maximum-mayhem-must-be-minimized.html

 

[Darkman00]

LETTER: Didn't Like Lanza Story On Front Page

7:13 p.m. EDT, March 29, 2013

In this holy week, no less, The Courant chose to print all the news that is not fit to print with full front-page coverage [March 29, "Lanza Had Arsenal"]. If this offended me, I can only imagine how the residents of Newtown felt. The Courant exhibited a lack of decency, respect and responsibility.

Candace Holmes, Wethersfield

Source: http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/letters/hcrs-13602hc--20130329,0,3829687.story

 

[Darkman00]

Editorial: The Doom In Adam Lanza's Room

Search Warrants Paint A Disturbing, Chilling, Sad Picture

The home of Nancy Lanza and her son Adam in Newtown in seen on March 28. (Reuters / March 28, 2013)

5:25 p.m. EDT, March 28, 2013

It must have been chilling.

The police officers who arrived at Adam Lanza's home to search it on Dec. 14 found guns, more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition, swords and knives, as well as other paraphernalia.

The young man had just gunned down his mother, 20 children and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown before killing himself. Among the things police found in his room was a newspaper clipping about a mass shooting. They also found the .22-caliber rifle Mr. Lanza had used to kill his mother before he went on the rest of his rampage.

Read more: http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/editorials/hc-ed-lanza-warrants-20130328,0,5415493.story​

 

[Darkman00]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fPJfc2fRU

 

[Darkman00]

Oklahoma connection to Sandy Hook massacre

Posted on: 6:21 pm, March 28, 2013, by La'Tasha Givens, updated on: 08:39pm, March 28, 2013

---- includes VIDEO ----

Court documents released Thursday give the first look inside the Lanza home.

Investigators collected a host of evidence.

One of the most alarming discoveries was Exhibit 608; three photographs with images of what appears to be a deceased human covered with plastic and what appears to be blood.

The document doesn’t say who that person could be.

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Read more: http://kfor.com/2013/03/28/oklahoma-connection-to-sandy-hook-masacre/

 

[Darkman00]

'How about fishing?' Father of slain Newtown first-grader ponders the hobbies of shooter Adam Lanza's mom, especially her love of guns

Mark Barden's son Daniel was killed during the Sandy Hook shootings. He wonders how things would have been different had Nancy Lanza spent time differently with her son instead of amassing an arsenal in their home.

By Matthew Lysiak AND Larry Mcshane / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS / Thursday, March 28, 2013, 9:50 PM

Mark Barden looks at a memorial poster in memory of the people who died at Sandy Hook Elementary School. His son, Daniel, was killed by shooter Adam Lanza.

The father of one slain Newtown first-grader still wonders how the world would be different if Nancy Lanza was into gardening instead of guns.

“Perhaps she could have made some other choices as to how to spend time with her son,” Mark Barden said Thursday after details about the heavily armed Lanza home were made public.

“How about fishing?”

Barden — whose son Daniel, 7, was among the 26 victims massacred by deranged gunman Adam Lanza — reacted after newly released documents detailed the role guns played in the family’s home.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...nders-shooter-mom-love-guns-article-1.1302134​

 

[Darkman00]

Sandy Hook killer was once a law-abiding gun lover: Editorial

By Star-Ledger Editorial Board

on March 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM, updated March 29, 2013 at 2:17 PM


The inventory found in Adam Lanza's home doesn't tell us what was in his head. It simply shows us what a household of law-abiding gun lovers looks like.

Right up until the moment that something sets one of them off.

Read more: http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2013/03/sandy_hook_killer_was_once_a_l.html

 

[Darkman00]

Who were Nancy and Adam Lanza?

Amanda Cuda

Updated 9:29 pm, Thursday, March 28, 2013

Adam Lanza. Photo: Getty Images

What kind of people were these?

That is the question that has haunted individuals all over the country since Adam Lanza killed 26 people -- including 20 children -- at Sandy Hook Elementary School shortly after murdering his own mother, Nancy Lanza, and before taking his own life.

The question was asked more forcefully after reports surfaced about Nancy's gun ownership and the many signs that Adam Lanza suffered from some sort of mental health or neurological problem. It's a question that has yet to be answered, even as search warrants made public Thursday revealed that the Lanza home was full of guns, ammunition and other disturbing items -- including photos of dead people, journals, drawings and a holiday card to Lanza from his mother with check tucked inside that investigators said was for the purchase of a gun.

Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/newtownshooting/article/Who-were-Nancy-and-Adam-Lanza-4393161.php
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[Darkman00]

Father of Newtown victim says Adam Lanza documents support case for gun control reform

By MARK ZARETSKY
New Haven Register
Posted: Friday, 03/29/13 10:29 am

Read more: http://www.timesherald.com/article/...upport-case-for-gun-control-reform#full_story

 

[Darkman00]

So what if Adam Lanza had been an NRA member?

Posted by William A. Jacobson / Friday, March 29, 2013 at 8:13 am

Read more: http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/03/so-what-if-adam-lanza-had-been-an-nra-member

 

[michmi]

Since she was shot in the head as she slept, I definitely still see Nancy as a victim.

While I cannot fathom why she would have all of those guns, I don't know the circumstances and am not going to damn her for it. Perhaps they were the only way she could get her son to leave the house or interact with her and she wrongfully thought it was a good thing. We just don't know.

Such a horrible story. I feel bad for everyone.

I don't even know if the final report will address her mental or medical status, but I'm not too sure NL was 100% okay mentally either.

Massive denial or a distorted belief of what was wrong with AL and how bad it was, remember she was always implying she had some disease, sometimes implied it was ultimately fatal or her life would be short....secretive, enabling...who knows what was wrong with her.

 

[Darkman00]

Adam spared her suffering then, maybe ... from that "implied desease" of hers