Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #7

[Lois Lane]

Yes - military aspirations and fascination with guns - more of the pieces of the puzzle seem to be fitting in.

BBM - Nope. And even if he was accepted, I'd venture to guess that the military doesn't serve organic vegan meals - probably just one of many issues/difficulties he would encounter/face.

IF he were able to get initially accepted on paper, I don't think he would have made it past the MEPS physical exam.

Or the entire MEPS experience, for that matter.

Physical

Physical examinations are vitally important because everyone entering the armed forces must be in good health to endure the challenges of basic training and military service. You will have to remove your outer clothing during parts of the examination. Your physical examination consists of: ? Height and weight measurements ? Hearing and vision examinations ? Urine and blood tests ? Drug and alcohol tests ? Muscle group and joint maneuvers, in underclothing (NOT exercises and running, just a few simple flexibility and balance tests to make sure you have proper ranges of motion) ? Complete physical examination and interview ? Specialized tests if required. Examples: fat percentage test (if you're overweight), secondary vision and hearing tests, other tests if you have an unusual medical history) Remember that many conditions can be waivered, but you must provide appropriate documentation! Check with your recruiter BEFORE you go: you will need to bring all documents with you, or else MEPS will disqualify you.

http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/meps-process-requirements.html

It's called a Processing Station for a reason.

My MEPS experience was unsettling.

It's meant to be.

MOO

 

[gngr~snap]

Using wiki online isn't to provide a precise academic reference, it's to give a lay-person with little background in whatever subject a basic run-down in an easy to follow and easy to read format. It's generally really good for that.

Wiki is not excluded from research because it's excessively faulty, it's just not a legitimate source, because it's a summary of multiple sources. Which is basically what you are supposed to be doing when you write a research paper. Regurgitating someone else's summary is not considered academically honest- thus no wiki as a source. That doesn't mean the reference list down at the bottom of wiki isn't awesome and accurate- they often times are quite helpful!

IOW- Wiki is not a bad thing for sharing in a general sense. It's a great easy to read summary for people who many not have as much of the "backstory" in any given subject. I LOVE wiki for casual use, or to find new sources in a difficult subject... and I'm a grad student.

Me too... :moo:

Not for medical conditions etc...

 

[Karmady]

I don't think it is that odd that she left him alone for short periods of time. He was not mentally disabled or slow. He was extremely intelligent, but emotionally withdrawn and had some deficits. But he was probably high functioning in terms of taking care of things at the home. It was initially reported that he had OCD. So he probably made sure the doors were locked and the stove was off, for example.

My family tried for years to have my brother committed, because he thought the TV was speaking to him and wanted him to carry out certain tasks. And he thought certain people were out to get him, and were sent there by the CIA. But he was often home alone and could cook for himself and take a shower and feed the dogs. It is hard to explain, but on some level he was competent; yet totally nuts.

I have a schizophrenic step-brother who is much as you describe. And yes, you could leave him alone and he was capable of doing those things, but you could never count on it so he wouldn't be left alone. And if he were, you'd expect that bad things could happen and that those bad things might be very, very bad. Just the nature of the unpredictable beast. Kind of like leaving an 8-10 year old home alone for a period of time. Nothing will probably happen, but do you take that risk? Maybe, if circumstances require it, but you're not running off to the spa for several hours and leaving them alone since you don't absolutely have to. Kwim?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Just because someone with Aspergers(if that is what he had) goes on a shooting rampage, doesn't mean anyone else with it will. Everyone is different. How will this dx help prevent future tragedies?

the diagnosis will not explain WHY and the diagnosis will not prevent future tragedies. Evil lurks everywhere and comes in every shape and form.

AL seemed to have alot of strikes against him.
1. He had some kind of mental illness
2. He had a mother that introduced him to guns
3. He had a mother that was pushing him to enter the real world (something Im sure was a HUGE fear for him
4. He had several failures in the last couple of years.... his german college course, his dad remarrying, etc
5. He wanted to join the military, his mother didn't think it was right for him.
6. The possibility of his mom putting him in a facility????
7. Im sure he heard over and over again how successful his brother was doing, did he compare himself to him....jealousy?
8. Depression?
9. Mom leaves to go on vacations, leaves him alone

Could all of these combined, make him snap and go on a shooting rampage? I think so. If they diagnos him with autism, aspergers, schizophrenia or a chemical imbalance or whatever, I do not see how it will help us to prevent another tragedy. JMO MOO

He may have felt he had been given an either/or ultimatum .. 'either you enter the world in a productive manner (which he couldn't do because he hadn't developed the social skills required) or you're going to be put away'.

Gone were the days of comfort holed up in his mothers basement where all his needs were taken care of and he didn't have to feel uncomfortable or inadequate. He may as well be dead (in his mind), and it was all his mothers fault.

Flashman said Nancy Lanza was also good friends with the school’s principal and psychologist—both of whom were killed in the shooting rampage.
"Adam Lanza believed she cared more for the children than she did for him, and the reason he probably thought this [was the fact that] she was petitioning for conservatorship and wanted to have him committed," Flashman said. "I could understand how he might perceive that—that his mom loved him less than she loved the kids, loved the school. But she did love him. But he was a troubled kid and she probably just couldn’t take care of him by herself anymore."
The Washington Post reported that the distraught mother had considered moving with her son to Washington state, where she had found a school she thought could help him. Either way, according to Flashman, Nancy Lanza was at her wit's end.
A separate neighborhood source also told FoxNews.com that Nancy Lanza had come to the realization she could no longer handle her son alone. She was caring for him full-time, but told friends she needed help. She was planning to have him involuntarily hospitalized, according to the source, who did not know if she had taken formal steps.

...and if he believed she'd discussed this situation with her friends at the school (in bold above, if this story is correct) then it was their fault too.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/1...sed-connecticut-madman-to-snap/#ixzz2FZ8qOb2E

 

[gngr~snap]

I do wonder about him home alone!
Did she disconnect the stove oven and hide the microwave?
keep the hot water at a low temp?

AND how in the heck was he burning himself?

 

[helpful]

Eric Harris (one of the murderers at Columbine) also wanted to enlist in the Marines but was rejected because he was taking the antidepressant fluvoxamine (Luvox) as part of court-mandated anger management therapy.

IF this story about AL is true (and considering the quality of reporting on this story so far, that's a big "if"), I highly doubt he would have been allowed to enlist. By all accounts, Eric Harris was MUCH more charming and socially capable than AL, and he was rejected for a relatively small thing.

 

[flipflop]

IDK about this kid like your avatar... I flip flop!
Did he think because she leaving so often that she was going to
abandon him for doomsday? Killed her then realized :waitasec: wait!
I am still alone!
psychotic break? rampage?

no, LE said it was PLANNED.. gah~ :dunno:

He had 3 days of being isolated playing COD (probably) in the basement of the manion that had a hefty gun collection. The only person that he appeared somewhat comfortable around had been leaving him to go off and have a life. He was probably frightened that she was going to leave him for some man, just as his dad left for some woman. How could he go on with life without his mom. I think this frightened him and snapped.

 

[jjenny]

He had 3 days of being isolated playing COD (probably) in the basement of the manion that had a hefty gun collection. The only person that he appeared somewhat comfortable around had been leaving him to go off and have a life. He was probably frightened that she was going to leave him for some man, just as his dad left for some woman. How could he go on with life without his mom. I think this frightened him and snapped.

That would explain why he would kill his mother, but it sure doesn't explain why he would kill children and their teachers. And these mass shooters don't "snap." They usually plan these murders for a long time.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

I don't think it is that odd that she left him alone for short periods of time. He was not mentally disabled or slow. He was extremely intelligent, but emotionally withdrawn and had some deficits. But he was probably high functioning in terms of taking care of things at the home. It was initially reported that he had OCD. So he probably made sure the doors were locked and the stove was off, for example.

My family tried for years to have my brother committed, because he thought the TV was speaking to him and wanted him to carry out certain tasks. And he thought certain people were out to get him, and were sent there by the CIA. But he was often home alone and could cook for himself and take a shower and feed the dogs. It is hard to explain, but on some level he was competent; yet totally nuts.

I agree.

My step brother has a few diagnosis' (1 being Schizophrenia) and is on antipsychotics. He's lived alone since 18 or so. He holds a job, he eats, he does his hobbies, he manages. He's a regular church goer, and his church family have gotten him back on his meds a few times now. I think in the last 7-8 years he's needed to be completely picked up and put back on track 3 times. He needs that sort of support, but not active daily living support.

The more I read here, the more incredibly proud of him I feel.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I do wonder about him home alone!
Did she disconnect the stove oven and hide the microwave?
keep the hot water at a low temp?

AND how in the heck was he burning himself?

Good point!

First, we have a report that I fully trust. The guy that was "assigned" to him in high school (and IIRC this guy was also the AV Club sponsor) said that AL suffered from a condition where he couldn't feel pain.

Ok, so WTH was this mother thinking by leaving him alone for days at a time? That is - IF that was truly a diagnosed condition for AL. Could he have "outgrown" that condition? I don't think so.

And there is a report that he had been self-mutilating by burning himself with a lighter. Leave someone like that alone for days? Didn't she worry that he would burn the house down?

Things aren't adding up here - facts are not fitting with other facts that we have.

I really feel for the team that is working so hard to put this investigation together and trying to figure out just WTH was the situation before he went on his rampage.




JMHO

 

[flipflop]

That would explain why he would kill his mother, but it sure doesn't explain why he would kill children and their teachers. And these mass shooters don't "snap." They usually plan these murders for a long time.

Perhaps he heard her speaking with her friends (the principal and psychologist) and they agreed with her to put him away?. As for the kids.....hmmmm perhaps he was re-enacting his COD game?!?!?!

Who knows, we will probably never figure this guy out....wish we could!!!!

 

[Charlie09]

He had 3 days of being isolated playing COD (probably) in the basement of the manion that had a hefty gun collection. The only person that he appeared somewhat comfortable around had been leaving him to go off and have a life. He was probably frightened that she was going to leave him for some man, just as his dad left for some woman. How could he go on with life without his mom. I think this frightened him and snapped.

I thought the mom asked dad to leave? They were separated for several years before divorcing?

 

[gngr~snap]

That would explain why he would kill his mother, but it sure doesn't explain why he would kill children and their teachers. And these mass shooters don't "snap." They usually plan these murders for a long time.

Criminal psychologists are now said to be focusing on his relationship with his mother.
"According to authorities, the latest details to emerge out of the Sandy Hook investigation indicate that Lanza, 20, rigged his rifle to allow him to cause maximum killings."

"...taped two cartridge magazines to his .223 caliber rifle so he could reload as quickly as possible and continue his killing spree, the Telegraph reported."

http://www.ibtimes.com/adam-lanza-p...-maximum-killing-destroying-hard-drive-950842

Sure sounds like he planned it.

 

[flipflop]

Good point!

First, we have a report that I fully trust. The guy that was "assigned" to him in high school (and IIRC this guy was also the AV Club sponsor) said that AL suffered from a condition where he couldn't feel pain.

Ok, so WTH was this mother thinking by leaving him alone for days at a time? That is - IF that was truly a diagnosed condition for AL. Could he have "outgrown" that condition? I don't think so.

And there is a report that he had been self-mutilating by burning himself with a lighter. Leave someone like that alone for days? Didn't she worry that he would burn the house down?

Things aren't adding up here - facts are not fitting with other facts that we have.

I really feel for the team that is working so hard to put this investigation together and trying to figure out just WTH was the situation before he went on his rampage.




JMHO

Ive heard this quite afew times, where did this info come from???? and how old was he?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Ive heard this quite afew times, where did this info come from???? and how old was he?

Oh Lord. I have read articles at so many sites the past few days. Let me go check my history and see if I can find it.

brb

 

[flipflop]

I thought the mom asked dad to leave? They were separated for several years before divorcing?

re-marriage after divorce is sometimes worse in the eyes of the kids....means its final and they are not coming back.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Perhaps he heard her speaking with her friends (the principal and psychologist) and they agreed with her to put him away?. As for the kids.....hmmmm perhaps he was re-enacting his COD game?!?!?!

Who knows, we will probably never figure this guy out....wish we could!!!!

The rest may have been an explosion in continued anger, once he started he couldn't stop - or he may have always planned it that way because he hated society and just wanted to kill, had wanted to kill all his life, and relished the sense power and the bloodbath.

I still think the secret to him is hidden on his hard drive, that's why he was so determined to destroy it, he had a specific secret he wanted to take to his grave .. the truth of him most likely.

 

[gngr~snap]

Good point!

First, we have a report that I fully trust. The guy that was "assigned" to him in high school (and IIRC this guy was also the AV Club sponsor) said that AL suffered from a condition where he couldn't feel pain.

Ok, so WTH was this mother thinking by leaving him alone for days at a time? That is - IF that was truly a diagnosed condition for AL. Could he have "outgrown" that condition? I don't think so.

And there is a report that he had been self-mutilating by burning himself with a lighter. Leave someone like that alone for days? Didn't she worry that he would burn the house down?

Things aren't adding up here - facts are not fitting with other facts that we have.

I really feel for the team that is working so hard to put this investigation together and trying to figure out just WTH was the situation before he went on his rampage.




JMHO

A year earlier she told him Adam was "burning himself with a lighter. In the ankles or arms or something."

A year???

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wo...-burning-himself/story-fnd134gw-1226539280405

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Maybe some part of her was at least at peace with him acting on what she thought were suicidal feelings. Not hoping because she wanted it, but accepting because she felt he would be more at peace moving on from this world. I could see a mother being compassionate about that sort of thing, but only if they felt they had exhausted all medical and psychological help.

I'm not saying she wanted it, but maybe after years of giving herself to him, she decided to live for herself and let him live (or not) for himself. Thus leaving him alone more.

If that's even accurate, I am just guessing that she never expected him to be homicidal.

 

[gngr~snap]

The friend knew she had 'at least a dozen' firearms most of which were larger rifles. He was unaware of the pistols.
'Adam learned how to shoot a rifle by the time he was 9 years old,' said the friend. 'They would go to the range.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ears-week-Newtown-shooting.html#ixzz2FZM6khsD

so where did they go? The firearms...