Arkay
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@Elley Mae
While Johns Hopkins is certainly a highly regarded institution, and these are scientists and researchers who have provided very detailed information, I take issue with the overall conclusion even though I am just a layperson, and they are scholars.
IMO it seems to be simple common sense. If I am home and don't go out, and I don't let anyone in my home, then I cannot catch Covid or any other contagious disease.
I scanned through the entire study. It is noticeable that they allude to many other studies which they then state they exclude, even though the other studies put forth a different conclusion.
They also cite the fact that people's behavior is very difficult to legislate and control. I witness this every time I DO leave my home, as we are not in lockdown as we were in March and April of 2020. My city has very strong laws regarding vaccine and mask mandates. Social distancing is still supposed to be incorporated as a means of lessening the chance of contagion.
Yet, the few times I go anywhere, such as the supermarket, I see people without masks. I see no social distancing. Vaccines are supposed to be checked by the door if we were to enter anyplace indoors in NYC, but I NEVER see that. I don't eat indoors, but my cousin does. My cousin found one restaurant that checks vaccines, but they didn't check ID as they are supposed to, so my cousin could be using anyone else's vaccine card (or cell phone, because in NY we have vaccine proof on our phones as well). Every day we read about people paying for falsified vaccine cards.
The word "quarantine" comes from the Italian for "40," because in medieval times merchants on ships in Venice were supposed to stay on the ship for 40 days, to avoid spreading the plague. Of course, these rules were broken then as they are still today.
IMO a lockdown would not be necessary if Covid-afflicted people did indeed maintain a 10-day quarantine, if everyone were vaccinated and boosted, if everyone still engaged in vigorous hygiene, and if people wore their masks rigorously. But that is not what is happening in real life.
That study also includes two paragraphs about Sweden, which explains that they famously do not engage in lockdowns, yet as @indicolite22 posted, Sweden is now in Covid trouble.
I certainly, definitely, absolutely underline that what you posted is an in-depth scholarly study and I'm just a teacher. However, the CDC and NIH have done their own studies, with the opposite conclusion.
I also understand the economic ramifications of locking down a city or a country. I understand the mental health issues, as well, since I have endured them during this pandemic.
Yet, in the simplest fashion possible, if people do not mingle, they will not infect each other. That's the bottom line. Again IMO why it doesn't work is due to the vast amount of people who disregard all the rules that are in place for communal safety. Had these rules been rigorously followed at the start, it is my belief we would be past the pandemic by now. We have weapons that didn't exist in the 14th century, such as vaccines. Yet these weapons are disregarded by so many.
While Johns Hopkins is certainly a highly regarded institution, and these are scientists and researchers who have provided very detailed information, I take issue with the overall conclusion even though I am just a layperson, and they are scholars.
IMO it seems to be simple common sense. If I am home and don't go out, and I don't let anyone in my home, then I cannot catch Covid or any other contagious disease.
I scanned through the entire study. It is noticeable that they allude to many other studies which they then state they exclude, even though the other studies put forth a different conclusion.
They also cite the fact that people's behavior is very difficult to legislate and control. I witness this every time I DO leave my home, as we are not in lockdown as we were in March and April of 2020. My city has very strong laws regarding vaccine and mask mandates. Social distancing is still supposed to be incorporated as a means of lessening the chance of contagion.
Yet, the few times I go anywhere, such as the supermarket, I see people without masks. I see no social distancing. Vaccines are supposed to be checked by the door if we were to enter anyplace indoors in NYC, but I NEVER see that. I don't eat indoors, but my cousin does. My cousin found one restaurant that checks vaccines, but they didn't check ID as they are supposed to, so my cousin could be using anyone else's vaccine card (or cell phone, because in NY we have vaccine proof on our phones as well). Every day we read about people paying for falsified vaccine cards.
The word "quarantine" comes from the Italian for "40," because in medieval times merchants on ships in Venice were supposed to stay on the ship for 40 days, to avoid spreading the plague. Of course, these rules were broken then as they are still today.
IMO a lockdown would not be necessary if Covid-afflicted people did indeed maintain a 10-day quarantine, if everyone were vaccinated and boosted, if everyone still engaged in vigorous hygiene, and if people wore their masks rigorously. But that is not what is happening in real life.
That study also includes two paragraphs about Sweden, which explains that they famously do not engage in lockdowns, yet as @indicolite22 posted, Sweden is now in Covid trouble.
I certainly, definitely, absolutely underline that what you posted is an in-depth scholarly study and I'm just a teacher. However, the CDC and NIH have done their own studies, with the opposite conclusion.
I also understand the economic ramifications of locking down a city or a country. I understand the mental health issues, as well, since I have endured them during this pandemic.
Yet, in the simplest fashion possible, if people do not mingle, they will not infect each other. That's the bottom line. Again IMO why it doesn't work is due to the vast amount of people who disregard all the rules that are in place for communal safety. Had these rules been rigorously followed at the start, it is my belief we would be past the pandemic by now. We have weapons that didn't exist in the 14th century, such as vaccines. Yet these weapons are disregarded by so many.
