Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #37

[Henry2326]

GEORGIA....ummmm....first case in US documented in King County, WA.....SMH

ATLANTA — The first coronavirus cases were confirmed in Georgia just a few weeks ago, but Gov. Brian Kemp thinks the illness was in the state long before that.

"There are some and I'm one of them that believe this virus has been here since potentially December or early January," Kemp said during an interview with 11Alive on Wednesday.

A spokesperson for Kemp's office confirmed on Thursday that the statement he made was based on the unavailability of testing for COVID-19. The first confirmed COVID-19 cases in Georgia were announced on March 2.

Kemp suggests COVID-19 entered state before March; Scientists believe tracking first cases possible, but challenging

 

[SkylarSid]

Never would I pit one against the other. Some folks state the facts, the others.....not so much.

I do find it interesting that the esteemed doctor spends a lot of time on CNN. I think he is a saint working tirelessly to get information out to the American public in a factual, unbiased way.

 

[musicaljoke]

Do you know if a source exists that shows Apx number of tests conducted by nation? I would be really interested in seeing that with a comparison to the positive case count.

i'm just catching up, so I'm sure someone must have given you this link already, but just in case they haven't:
Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) – Statistics and Research

 

[zecats]

I’m wondering if some of the more severe cases of CV could be related to smoking. I went through a phase a few years ago that I smoked cigarettes... only smoked a few in the evening, but still... had never smoked my whole life before that. I know, dumb, stupid, etc., etc.

That’s the only time I acquired a very, very bad case of bronchitis, to the point they did a chest X-ray because thought it might be pneumonia. I had never had bronchitis before in my life of almost 60 years. I stopped smoking after that. Haven’t had it since.

Just bringing all this up because I’ve been thinking about some variables that could factor in , especially in cases in younger age groups. Not just cigarette smoking, but smoking pot could possibly factor in as a variable as well, IMO.

Something else, perhaps to do with the level of exposure, as in how many virus cells they had contact with. Say for instance someone was around an infected person for several hours, versus someone around an infected person for only momentarily.

Or, say the route was via infected sputum versus touching a surface that had been touched by infected person... perhaps less virus cells in the latter? And would that affect of exposure determine at last to some degree the severity of illness and symptoms? It seems to me that it very well could, but just MOO.

What do you all think? Any feedback would be welcome. TIA

Could be on to something:

Smokers At Higher Risk Of Severe COVID-19 During Coronavirus Outbreak

A leading expert has warned that smokers are likely at increased risk of more severe COVID-19, compared to non-smokers, suggesting that now would be a particularly good time to try and quit or cut down.

“There’s not very much data at this point on COVID-19 in smokers, but we do know from reports from China, smokers seem to be over-represented in groups of people who have severe or critical COVID-19,” said J. Taylor Hays, M.D. Director of the Nicotine Dependence center at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota and Professor of Medicine, Mayo Clinic College of Medicine.

 

[stattlich1]

What makes you think they are not? My guess is they are probably just as accurate as ours are. Our numbers are only the tip of the iceberg.

If China's numbers are accurate, I'll eat my keyboard.

The Communist Chinese don't have a stellar record for being honest, in particular, when it comes to things that will make them look bad.

Anyway, if I ASSUME the Chinese numbers are accurate, then, as I've stated before, we in Western Nations BETTER get a hold of whatever it is they have, because they've fundamentally, abruptly, stopped this virus in it's tracks.

Unless what we are seeing is that the virus peaks, then fades away to near nothing, as part of it's natural cycle.

Here's a little glimpse of data I've compiled, data comes from the Johns Hopkins website.

Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS

First column is the date, then the next column is total infected reported in China, the last column is total dead. If true, then in the entire world we will likely NEVER see a high death rate from this virus. If these numbers are accurate, then either China has a miracle cure, or the things they've put in place ARE the miracle cure, or the virus plateaus and becomes hugely less deadly. This is the epicenter we're talking about here, heavily populated areas in cities as dense as, if not more than, anywhere in the world. And they only have 3,291 deaths? Being literally weeks, if not months ahead of the rest of the world in terms of the progression of this thing? C'mon.

03/10/20 80756 3136
03/11/20 80967 3162
03/12/20 80932 3172
03/13/20 80932 3172
03/14/20 80973 3193
03/15/20 80995 3203
03/16/20 81020 3217
03/17/20 81053 3230
03/18/20 81102 3241
03/19/20 81154 3249
03/20/20 81250 3253
03/21/20 81303 3159
03/22/20 81394 3265
03/23/20 81454 3274
03/24/20 81588 3281
03/25/20 81661 3285
03/26/20 81782 3291

 

[Chelly]

I hope PT really listens to Dr. Fauci because he is sticking to the facts and reality.

Yes, It is as simple as this. No dog and pony show, no blah....blah....blah. No dancing around the issue. Science, facts and logic.

 

[Henry2326]

CLOSURES

As of 8:50PM: There are at least 26 states with statewide non-essential business closures, or announced closures: Minnesota, Idaho and Maine added earlier today (CA, CT, DE, HI, ID, IL, IN, KY, LA, MA, MD, ME, MI, MN, NV, NM, NJ, NY, OH, OK, OR, PA, VA, WA, WI, WV)

Eric.M.Strauss+ on Twitter

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

EXACTLY

While other states were cancelling mass events, Mardi Gras was allowed to occur.

Major events weren’t being cancelled. Someone linked a few Chinese New Year events cancelled. One of the articles said that it was cancelled to stand in solidarity with China.
The first death in the US wasn’t until February 29th.
A timeline of major events surrounding the COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak

 

[Trudie]

I’m wondering if some of the more severe cases of CV could be related to smoking. I went through a phase a few years ago that I smoked cigarettes... only smoked a few in the evening, but still... had never smoked my whole life before that. I know, dumb, stupid, etc., etc.

That’s the only time I acquired a very, very bad case of bronchitis, to the point they did a chest X-ray because thought it might be pneumonia. I had never had bronchitis before in my life of almost 60 years. I stopped smoking after that. Haven’t had it since.

Just bringing all this up because I’ve been thinking about some variables that could factor in , especially in cases in younger age groups. Not just cigarette smoking, but smoking pot could possibly factor in as a variable as well, IMO.

Something else, perhaps to do with the level of exposure, as in how many virus cells they had contact with. Say for instance someone was around an infected person for several hours, versus someone around an infected person for only momentarily.

Or, say the route was via infected sputum versus touching a surface that had been touched by infected person... perhaps less virus cells in the latter? And would that affect of exposure determine at last to some degree the severity of illness and symptoms? It seems to me that it very well could, but just MOO.

What do you all think? Any feedback would be welcome. TIA

Or related to poor health practices in general. We all know someone that must constantly see their doctor, looking for cure de jour, yet fail to do what their doctor suggests.
As far as smoking, I’m curious if germs on ashtrays transfer to cig’/hand to mouth.......disgusting. Moo

 

[Chelly]

I am wondering why you are thinking that about her. Her credentials are impeccable. Look at this article by the Guardian...

She's a legend in the fight against HIV. Now Dr Deborah Birx is taking on Covid-19

She's a legend in the fight against HIV. Now Dr Deborah Birx is taking on Covid-19


Having gone head-to-head with global health leaders while overseeing a program responsible for saving millions of lives, Birx has become something of a legend in the global health community.

Now her task is to stop the spread of Covid-19.

“When it is a matter of making tough decisions, she will do it,” said Dr Carlos del Rio, a professor in the global health department at Emory University who has known Birx for more than 20 years. “And that, to me, is what we need right now.”

In 2014, Obama appointed her ambassador-at-large and global Aids coordinator. The latter role gave her control of the the largest effort by any country to stop a single disease, the President’s Emergency Plan for Aids Relief, or Pepfar. According to the state department, more than 17 million lives have been saved.

At one point, the World Health Organization called for people to stop using a HIV/Aids medicine. Scientists at Pepfar thought it was the wrong call. Birx listened to them, then ignored the WHO.

“At the end of the day, she was right,” Del Rio said. “This is the right decision. She listened to the data, she looked at the data and she said, ‘Let’s proceed.’ She is a bold leader. I have a lot of respect for her.”

It is important to listen. Never will I question credentials. Some people state the facts.....others, not so much. IMO, IMO....moo

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I do find it interesting that the esteemed doctor spends a lot of time on CNN. I think he is a saint working tirelessly to get information out to the American public in a factual, unbiased way.

I don't know any saints, but I respect the man And I thought the interview with Stephen Curry was fantastic as an outreach to young people.

 

[Love Never Fails]

If China's numbers are accurate, I'll eat my keyboard.

The Communist Chinese don't have a stellar record for being honest, in particular, when it comes to things that will make them look bad.

Anyway, if I ASSUME the Chi Com's numbers are accurate, then, as I've stated before, we in Western Nations BETTER get a hold of whatever it is they have, because they've fundamentally, abruptly, stopped this virus in it's tracks.

Unless what we are seeing is that the virus peaks, then fades away to near nothing, as part of it's natural cycle.

Here's a little glimpse of data I've compiled, data comes from the Johns Hopkins website.

Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS

First column is the date, then the next column is total infected reported in China, the last column is total dead. If true, then in the entire world we will likely NEVER see a high death rate from this virus. If these numbers are accurate, then either China has a miracle cure, or the things they've put in place ARE the miracle cure, or the virus plateaus and becomes hugely less deadly. This is the epicenter we're talking about here, heavily populated areas in cities as dense as, if not more than, anywhere in the world. And they only have 3,291 deaths? Being literally weeks, if not months ahead of the rest of the world in terms of the progression of this thing? C'mon.

03/10/20 80756 3136
03/11/20 80967 3162
03/12/20 80932 3172
03/13/20 80932 3172
03/14/20 80973 3193
03/15/20 80995 3203
03/16/20 81020 3217
03/17/20 81053 3230
03/18/20 81102 3241
03/19/20 81154 3249
03/20/20 81250 3253
03/21/20 81303 3159
03/22/20 81394 3265
03/23/20 81454 3274
03/24/20 81588 3281
03/25/20 81661 3285
03/26/20 81782 3291

Thank you!

 

[katydid23]

False hope.....IMO, IMO of course

Maybe. But it has worked for some patients. Maybe it was a coincidence?

People across US say anti-malaria drug helped them recover from COVID-19 | Daily Mail Online

Miracle' malaria drug touted by Trump saved us from coronavirus, claim Americans: Infected patients across US say hydroxychloroquine helped them recover - despite experts' insistence evidence of its effectiveness is slim

• New York will start trials for anti-malaria drug Tuesday, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said
• The drug, hydroxychloroquine is used to treat malaria, as well as some non-infectious inflammatory diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis
• Several people have come forward saying the drug has helped fight COVID-19
• Rio Giardinieri, of Florida, said the drug 'saved his life' after he testes positive
• Margaret Novins, of New Jersey, also said the medication made her feel better
• There are currently no approved treatments or preventive vaccines for the virus
• Researchers are studying existing treatments and working on experimental ones, but current patients receive only supportive care like breathing assistance
• Coronavirus symptoms: what are they and should you see a doctor?

https://nypost.com/2020/03/26/flori...ning-about-anti-malaria-drug-touted-by-trump/

The Florida man who claims his severe coronavirus case was cured overnight by an anti-malaria drug touted by President Trump says he’s feeling good a week later — but has warned others not to try the “dangerous” drug at home.

Rio Giardinieri, 52, said he returned to his Miami Shores home Tuesday night and is recovering well after being prescribed hydroxychloroquine, according to Yahoo News.

“Man, I’m alive and kickin’,” Giardinieri told the outlet. “Feeling good.”

But he warned people not to take the “game-changing” drug without a doctor’s consent.

 

[Chelly]

Maybe. But it has worked for some patients. Maybe it was a coincidence?

People across US say anti-malaria drug helped them recover from COVID-19 | Daily Mail Online

Miracle' malaria drug touted by Trump saved us from coronavirus, claim Americans: Infected patients across US say hydroxychloroquine helped them recover - despite experts' insistence evidence of its effectiveness is slim

• 
  
  
  • New York will start trials for anti-malaria drug Tuesday, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said
  • The drug, hydroxychloroquine is used to treat malaria, as well as some non-infectious inflammatory diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis
  • Several people have come forward saying the drug has helped fight COVID-19
  • Rio Giardinieri, of Florida, said the drug 'saved his life' after he testes positive
  • Margaret Novins, of New Jersey, also said the medication made her feel better
  • There are currently no approved treatments or preventive vaccines for the virus
  • Researchers are studying existing treatments and working on experimental ones, but current patients receive only supportive care like breathing assistance
  • Coronavirus symptoms: what are they and should you see a doctor?

https://nypost.com/2020/03/26/flori...ning-about-anti-malaria-drug-touted-by-trump/

The Florida man who claims his severe coronavirus case was cured overnight by an anti-malaria drug touted by President Trump says he’s feeling good a week later — but has warned others not to try the “dangerous” drug at home.

Rio Giardinieri, 52, said he returned to his Miami Shores home Tuesday night and is recovering well after being prescribed hydroxychloroquine, according to Yahoo News.

“Man, I’m alive and kickin’,” Giardinieri told the outlet. “Feeling good.”

But he warned people not to take the “game-changing” drug without a doctor’s consent.

Good luck and best wishes to those taking the "game-changing" drug believing they will be healed. IMO, IMO....moo

 

[katydid23]

Reminds me of an old joke about a person looking for keys under a streetlight. Not because they lost it there, but because they can see under a streetlight.
It's very unclear if malaria drugs do any good, but that's pretty much all we got. So we are using it before we even know if they do any good.

From what I understand, doctors are giving them to patients in crisis, who agree to take it as a last ditch effort. And some of those patients felt it was very successful and they recovered quickly.

I don't see any problem with that, if the patients agree to try it, knowing it has not been approved for Covid treatment yet.

But it did work for many years as a malaria treatment. So it is not out of the realm of possibility that it might be safe and effective. JMO

 

[cass523]

A U.S. Navy aircraft carrier where nearly two dozen sailors have reportedly tested positive for the coronavirus will pull into port in Guam while everyone on board is tested for the virus, the Navy's top civilian said Thursday.

“We found several more cases on board the ship,” acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said at a Pentagon briefing. “We are in the process of testing 100 percent of the crew of that ship to ensure that we’re able to contain the spread of whatever might have occurred there on the ship.

But The Wall Street Journal reported shortly after the briefing wrapped that at least 23 sailors aboard the ship have now tested positive for the virus.

In a statement Thursday afternoon, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Michael Gilday said "additional positive cases" had been discovered without specifying the number, adding that "we expect additional positive tests."

Aircraft carrier docks in Guam as crew tests for coronavirus

 

[Trudie]

If interested, Bill Gates is on CNN now.

 

[katydid23]

Good luck and best wishes to those taking the "game-changing" drug believing they will be healed. IMO, IMO....moo

What do you mean? Some already have been healed.

Maybe this is not 'game changing.' But dozens were given this medication and they recovered very quickly, and they believe it was because of this drug.

What do you say to the people inbox the article I linked, who say it worked for them?

I don't understand why everyone is so pessimistic about this possible treatment?

 

[Gardenista]

From what I understand, doctors are giving them to patients in crisis, who agree to take it as a last ditch effort. And some of those patients felt it was very successful and they recovered quickly.

I don't see any problem with that, if the patients agree to try it, knowing it has not been approved for Covid treatment yet.

But it did work for many years as a malaria treatment. So it is not out of the realm of possibility that it might be safe and effective. JMO

Drs. are stockpiling those drugs for themselves and their families. That tells me all I need to know.

 

[deugirtni]

From what I understand, doctors are giving them to patients in crisis, who agree to take it as a last ditch effort. And some of those patients felt it was very successful and they recovered quickly.

I don't see any problem with that, if the patients agree to try it, knowing it has not been approved for Covid treatment yet.

But it did work for many years as a malaria treatment. So it is not out of the realm of possibility that it might be safe and effective. JMO

If one has agreed to try it as a 'test', under medically supervised conditions, quantities, etc., then why not? If it turns out to not help in any way, then oh well, it's not like they've stopped trying to design a vaccine just because they're testing this out. Seems to me that it is more of a political thing if people are strongly opposed to this. imo.