Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #46

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Things were handled very differently in China. Cities were locked down fast, roads were piled with dirt to prevent people from leaving or entering, people were locked in their homes, people who tested positive were rounded up and put in facilities for infected people. Did that make a difference in reducing the spread?
Maybe.

I think that China having only a little more than 3000 people dead from covid-19 is ludicrous. JMO
 
There is no vaccine for the coronavirus - very ambitious to think that there will be one in 18-24 months.
I'm betting on December 2019. Scientic and medical knowledge has improved exponentially in recent years and this a worldwide effort.
 
@firebird most people who live in Montana live here, because we are normally "Socially Distant". Hence, the lower numbers of COVID19.

Except for "Boz Angeles", which is what most people in Montana refer to Bozeman. More folks from outside of Montana. Almost half the Coronavirus cases are in Gallatin county. For the entire state.
 
Very interesting interview with a researcher working on the vaccine.

Peter Hotez, MD, PhD.

He says 18 months is very unreasonable. The fastest time to develop and get approval for a vaccine was for mumps and that took 4 years.

He has some good perspectives on viral diseases and some caution about unrealistic expectations.

Coronavirus expert Peter Hotez: ‘Now's the time when you're at greatest risk of contracting the virus by being in crowds.’

Additionally:

“This disease may come in waves, like the flu pandemic of 1918. That came in several waves between the beginning of 1918 and the end of 1920. That was a three-year pandemic, and that's a possibility for us as well.

Figuring out a plan for the country in the event that we don't have a vaccine is going to be very important for us. Some people are not happy that I said that because it sounds so pessimistic. It isn't.

I do think we will have other technologies coming out. We've already got the convalescing the antibody therapy. We've got some new drugs that will come online.

But let's consider a realistic timeframe too, in case the vaccines are not out, and figuring out if this virus comes in waves.”

What would that look like in terms of getting people to back to work? How would we manage that? That includes mental health aspects. Will people have PTSD in terms of going back to work?

We’ll also have governors from some states unwilling to go back to social distancing once we're off that first hook. Even in this month, when things are so dire in the country, you've got about a third of the governors who are pushing back against aggressive social distancing.

What's it going to be a year from now if we're off social distancing, then we have to go back on?

And who organizes it? Who organizes the response? Who charts the plan for us?

How do we figure this out as a nation? How do we look at all the models and say, what's a realistic model? And and if this virus does show a waxing and waning course, how do we deal with that, working with governments, working with businesses, and working with health systems? This is going to be a very complicated situation.”

[...]

“”Then let's say the levels of transmission continue to stay down for the next few months. When are the predictions this virus might return? Is in the fall of this year? Is it January of next year? April next year? Getting guidance about that will be really helpful.

Other questions are, who goes back into the workforce? Is that only people that have been infected and have antibodies that make them resistant to infection? Or is it or is it everyone?

I certainly don't have the answers to that. We're going to have to have some meaningful dialogue and convene some of the best minds in the country. I suggested on CNN that bringing in the National Academy of Sciences, or a similar organization, would be very helpful. We need some of the best scientists in the country around the table, looking at the models and charting a path.”

[...]

“I’m really scratching my head figuring out what the next two and three years look like. That's a big one.””
 
Maybe.

I think that China having only a little more than 3000 people dead from covid-19 is ludicrous. JMO

I edited my comment - listening to the news now and seeing why the US doubts the numbers. That is, the US knew there was a health issue in China in November 2019. The WHO didn't alert the world until January 31, 2020. It's possible that there were many deaths in Nov/Dec/Jan that were not counted in the numbers that were released to the rest of the world.
 
This is the link that shows each individual US state from the same site.

United States Coronavirus: 532,092 Cases and 20,562 Deaths - Worldometer

Something is wrong somewhere when China shows as having less total deaths (3,339) than Belgium (3,346). China has onĺy 2 deaths per million population while Belgium has 289 deaths per million population.

Belgium 28,018 +1,351 3,346 +327 5,986 18,686 1,262 2,418 289 102,151 8,814
China 82,052 +99 3,339 77,575 1,138 139 57 2

Coronavirus Update (Live): 1,780,239 Cases and 108,819 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
 
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@firebird most people who live in Montana live here, because we are normally "Socially Distant". Hence, the lower numbers of COVID19.

Except for "Boz Angeles", which is what most people in Montana refer to Bozeman. More folks from outside of Montana. Almost half the Coronavirus cases are in Gallatin county. For the entire state.

May I just say that Montana is a very beautiful place to be. We flew into Bozman a number of years back, its beautiful up in the mountains.
 
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I will look for Silly Billy’s post on this, but there are some who present MSM as “fake news” and post that they are deliberately publishing incendiary information. If an error can be corrected without turning it into trashing MSM I don’t think that’s a problem.
 
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To me, that's really extreme. No point in violating people's rights.

The Church Board is negligent, let people bring civil suits and sue them out of existence, or into another state - which is what usually happens.

The parents, though, could be charged with a crime if their child fell ill and died. Which is really unlikely and if we reacted to all meetings where one child could catch a disease and die (while other the other children were okay), that would repress all social life for eternity.

Why go to that extreme? Send in CPS if the state deems it necessary - but in this crisis, putting any workers into harm's way for that reason is wrong.

Let the hospital call it into to CPS if a child ends up being admitted.

In the case of HIV, it's the specific individual involved in deliberate transmission who gets arrested, not every single person who facilitated the meeting of the individuals involved.

It's the church board that makes the decision whether or not to cancel the physical Sunday services. The pastor, as a paid employee of a registered charity, is an exofficio on the board. He doesn't get a vote.
 
Bumping Sillybilly’s post about mainstream media.

Hey everyone,

WS relies on MSM and recognized leaders, organizations, and scholarly articles for facts. This thread is not about journalistic integrity, it is about trying to learn all we can about Covid-19 through the most trusted sources we have available to us.

If you don't like or believe the particular media that is posted or linked, please just scroll on by.

Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #45
 
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I think what Lillibet is saying in this case is that social media got it wrong and MSM were right. Fake news would, by definition, be MSM getting something wrong IMO.
 
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Opinions, from people like us, on these issues are different than calculated risk on these issues. There are so many people in prison for minor offenses, white collar crime, and soooooooo many other reasons. The issue of for-profit prisons is a horrible phenomenon in the US. I have to assume that the prison system is being somewhat strategic on who they let out. There will be mistakes... but letting a 66 year old sex offender out doesn't even bother me, if the system knows they are different than when they went in 30 years ago. If he has a home to go to, let him go and just be a slob at home. I understand where people are coming from on one level, but I do not think any of us know enough to make such blanket statements. I would listen to someone who really truly knows that the system in doing wrong, than all of us with couch opinions on the issue. If horrible things do start to happen, I will gladly change my opinion. But if it is a bunch of marijuana violators for the most part...so be it.

Respectfully, BBM ^^^

I live in a major metro area in the NE, and IMO sex offenders are a little bit different (No, very different) from other offenders.

Some years ago, I found myself having to move to an area that had just begun undergoing gentrification. Though the gentrifiers did Not use the neighborhood - they shopped outside the neighborhood, frequented establishments outside the immediate neighborhood, etc.,

I did not. I lived in and used my neighborhood.

I felt safe as the locals soon acknowledged me, and I can definitely say, they looked out for me and my children as well!

But among the locals was an older male in his sixties who would stop by as I sat on the stoop drinking my early morning coffee before I woke my children for school. Eventually, I'd "bump" into him at the laundromat, on my way to the subway, and many other places in the neighborhood.

I don't want to give the impression that his age disarmed me - it did not, but I cut him some slack that I would not have some younger males. Soon enough, he began attempting to greet me with physical embraces and hugs! Very polite, verbal, respectful, etc.

Thinking I was crazy, one evening for the first time ever I went on my local neighborhood sex offenders site, to see whether I was indeed nuts. He only had told me his first name, and there he was - I went through my zip code photo by photo, and there he was plain as day - double rape w/ a weapon! He had served over 20+ years in prison.

It didn't matter to him when I told him one day when I saw him approaching me with outstretched arms - Don't come near me - I have the flu (He said, he had it, too), he still reached to embrace me upon greeting.

Sex offenders are often (Not always) of a different breed, but that's just moo and anecdotal experience with them.
 
I'd like to have seen a pic of that ;). But I hear you. I have a box of regular masks left over from earlier this year when my daughter bought them while visiting my grandson - she had a cold but didn't want him to catch it. She left the box with me and they have come in handy.

I went to the food coop a couple days back and wore one. And yes, pretty much everyone in the store had some sort of mask on. I mainly wore it because psychologically I believe it makes other more comfortable and hopefully it helps a little.

We haven't had any cases in town yet but we're a bit isolated anyway. People here are doing a great job of keeping their distance from others, not touching their faces and using wipes or sprays.
Perhaps we should post pictures of ourselves wearing masks, scarfs, goggles, faceshields etc in the mask making thread for posterity.
 
Anybody here from Texas? The case counts there seem to be increasing (www.worldometers.info) but I hear the governor wants stores to be open. I'd be curious to hear local opinions.
Yes, I know, it's a big state.
Not exactly local, but I spent the winter in San Antonio. The lack of information (late March) was astounding. Many still adhered to the idea this was nothing more than the flu, even at a time when schools and businesses closed. It just didn't feel right so we returned north in early April. The March 24 statement by the Lt. Gov that the older generation would be willing to sacrifice their lives to keep the economy safe was the icing on the cake that sent us packing.
 
I think what Lillibet is saying in this case is that social media got it wrong and MSM were right. Fake news would, by definition, be MSM getting something wrong IMO.

Yes, and the implication of calling MSM “fake news” is that MSM not only gets things wrong (of course they do), but deliberately writes inaccurate stories. It’s a very politically loaded term to use, especially on a forum that forbids politics.
JMO
 
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