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As the friend of someone with a very small business that’s not essential & couldn’t get in after the fat cats, I respectfully disagree. She’s at the point of losing her car, home, business & moving into section 8 housing. Please look at the individual toll. My friend is close to a nervous breakdown. That number may mean nothing in the larger picture, but’s she’s my friend of 10 years in this silly parish, so it means much to me & the whole world to her, as it collapses all around her. Everything she’s worked so hard to build. Pffft gone.

She's not alone - 50% of L.A. County is now unemployed. The stimulus checks aren't enough for anyone. But if she's that close to homelessness and has such a small business (I have a small business too - so do many people), how can we dispense money more fairly? As we can see, it has been handled badly so far. She won't have a chance next time, either, if we don't find a way to get the money to the small business owners.

We *all* care about the individual toll. My daughter is in the same situation. Dozens of people I know are in that situation. I will make sure my daughter doesn't go homeless, of course (I can do that for a while - but heck, there goes the retirement plan).

Perhaps the trigger for aid should be proof of inability to make mortgage or rent payments. Is your parish not considering forcing landlords to be good humans? If she's a homeowner - isn't she able to use the forebearance program?

I'm not sure that "losing a car" (as hundreds of thousands are facing that, whether unemployed from a business or a business owner) is enough for us to try and give out more money. I know people who have really nice houses (right on my street) and if this goes for two more months, they are going to lose their homes (they are both in the restaurant business - their employees are facing the same situation).
 
@margarita25
I feel like a lazy slug. All that work you’ve done & still toking? I have a load of things to do but I’m paralyzed!! Well, there’s the wine issue...& DrTony stalking the house like a ghost.. no patients... just a pool to clean & the cats to feed..never there when I need him & in my face when I don’t.

Will I ever learn to fly fish? Will I ever see the St Lawrence River? Will I ever go to high tea at the Empress in Victoria Island again?
 
Over a million small businesses with less than 10 employees received a loan/grant (source: transcript of White House briefing April 21, 2020). Congress is responsible for establishing the limit as a business that has 500 or less employees. Maybe they will do better in the next round.
Yeah. Maybe. Good luck to the businesses who need the help and didn't get it. Hope they can hold on. :(

jmo
 
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Coronavirus News: New York cats are 1st pets in US to test positive for COVID-19

NEW YORK -- Two cats living in separate areas of New York state are the first pets in the United States to test positive for COVID-19.

The felines had mild respiratory illness and are expected to make a full recovery, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


In a statement, the agencies said a veterinarian tested the first cat after it showed mild respiratory signs. No humans in the household were confirmed to be ill with COVID-19.
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@10ofRods
In my parish there’s no public transport so if she found a job she wouldn’t be able to get to it. Yes, horrible all around.BTW—I’m an ethno-historian of little to no to unpublished repute. BA anthro MA history. Tried to do my PhD in anthro at UNM but I was too old, too slow, & the commute from Lafayette to Albuquerque was murder!!
 
AP: Housecats in New York State Get Coronavirus; First Infected Pets in U.S. - News & Guts Media

BBM/ One way transmission.

“Two pet cats in New York state have tested positive for the coronavirus, marking the first confirmed cases in companion animals in the United States,” the Associated Press reported on Wednesday, citing federal officials.

Both cats, in households in different parts of the state, suffered “mild respiratory illnesses” and are expected to recover. One cat’s owner did test positive for the virus; the other had been ill, but wasn’t tested.

The Centers for Disease Control hastened to say that it appears to be a one-way path: there’s no evidence pet animals can pass the virus to people.

“We don’t want people to panic. We don’t want people to be afraid of pets” or to rush to test them en masse, said Dr. Casey Barton Behravesh of the CDC.
 
Yes! It'd be Suicide by Virus going to Vegas anytime soon. And taking it back to your hometown would be Murder by Virus Spreading.

Why do I feel it's only a matter of time before some jerk exposes me to a deadly virus they don't take seriously?

We all want to go back to our old ways and be free to enjoy our fun society. Denial that things are changing is dangerous to others.

IMO, we're going to have to learn to share a new vision of love for our society members and our community to keep everyone safe from dying. MOO, that is only a dreamy ideal though because the truth is there's jerks.

society - the community of people living in a particular country or region and having shared customs, laws, and organizations.

Actually, they already play the odds when they drive there - fatalities along the various routes to Vegas are higher than average.

But as to the virus, if the real overall mortality rate is 0.04 as some legitimate scientists say (and some say it's lower) to some people, that's an acceptable risk. Base jumpers. Sky divers. Motorcycle riders. People who visit sex workers. Sex workers. People who work in labs with dangerous viruses. X-ray equipment repair people. All of these people are okay with higher risk than many of us - and there are a LOT of those people. Anthropologists have good data that it's genetic, btw.

So if 1 million adults descend on Vegas next weekend, we can expect 500,000 or so to develop symptoms, with about 100,000 serious cases and 400-500 deaths. I think a lot of Vegas-lovers will find that entirely acceptable.

Of the serious cases, about 10,000 will require hospitalization and tests and resources - but they'll be back in their home areas by then. Win/win for Vegas?

As for what happens to the actual residents of Vegas, well, 90% of them are willing to accept similar risks, as they knew when they moved to Vegas it was not the healthiest environment on the planet. I have several family members who live/lived there (3 are dead already - at ages 40, 42 and 69). The remaining cousin and his girlfriend, ex-wife, all their joint in-laws and friends - they're fine with the risk. My estimate of 90% of Vegas wanting to open is coming from their mayor and his pressers.
 
AP: Housecats in New York State Get Coronavirus; First Infected Pets in U.S. - News & Guts Media

BBM/ One way transmission.

“Two pet cats in New York state have tested positive for the coronavirus, marking the first confirmed cases in companion animals in the United States,” the Associated Press reported on Wednesday, citing federal officials.

Both cats, in households in different parts of the state, suffered “mild respiratory illnesses” and are expected to recover. One cat’s owner did test positive for the virus; the other had been ill, but wasn’t tested.

The Centers for Disease Control hastened to say that it appears to be a one-way path: there’s no evidence pet animals can pass the virus to people.

“We don’t want people to panic. We don’t want people to be afraid of pets” or to rush to test them en masse, said Dr. Casey Barton Behravesh of the CDC.
Indoor cats?? Or outdoor? Inquiring cat-owning minds want to know. :)

jmo
 
AP: Housecats in New York State Get Coronavirus; First Infected Pets in U.S. - News & Guts Media

BBM/ One way transmission.

“Two pet cats in New York state have tested positive for the coronavirus, marking the first confirmed cases in companion animals in the United States,” the Associated Press reported on Wednesday, citing federal officials.

Both cats, in households in different parts of the state, suffered “mild respiratory illnesses” and are expected to recover. One cat’s owner did test positive for the virus; the other had been ill, but wasn’t tested.

The Centers for Disease Control hastened to say that it appears to be a one-way path: there’s no evidence pet animals can pass the virus to people.

“We don’t want people to panic. We don’t want people to be afraid of pets” or to rush to test them en masse, said Dr. Casey Barton Behravesh of the CDC.

Hmm. So how did the cats get it? Presumably from their humans. So of course their humans are already positive. Have they actually taken these cats and let them be around people without antibodies? That's pretty irresponsible.

But there's no other way to know. If all people in the cat's household test negative, that's a good sign - but I'd like to see evidence of that testing. Because other cats, in other lands, have also tested positive and the jury is out about 2-way transmission. If the virus is live and the cat is breathing and it's the same virus, why would it not be communicable? If cats are doing something to neutralize the virus inside their cute little bodies, that would be a medical first.
 
RBM:

Possibly 30 strains, already....:(
Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains: study

BREAKING NEWS: COVID-19 Has Now Mutated to Over 30 Strains, Says China : Science : Tech Times

"Finding a cure for the current COVID-19 pandemic has been challenging scientists and medical professionals all over the world. However, it now seems that the mission may be more complicated than initially thought as it has been reported through a Chinese study on infected individuals that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 has now mutated to over 30 strains. This may further delay the development of vaccines"

Omg marking, thank you @BHughes. I’m very interested in this strain stuf, esp wrt to future vaccines. This is a main opposition by anti-vaccers, that it just mutates into another strain that is resistant, etc.
 
Indoor cats?? Or outdoor? Inquiring cat-owning minds want to know. :)

jmo
Here's a bit more:

It's thought that the cats caught the virus from their owners or people in their neighborhood, according to WPMI, an NBC News affiliate. In one case, the cat's owner was diagnosed with COVID-19 before the cat showed symptoms. In the second case, a person in the household developed a respiratory illness for a short period before the cat became sick, although the individual was not confirmed to have COVID-19. In this latter case, the cat also went outdoors at times, so the animal may have been exposed to an infected person in the neighborhood, WPMI reported.
 
All my own opinions. I wish to honor all the people trying to keep us going and keep us safe.

I talked about jerks, but there's way more front line members of society that are shining examples of "love your neighbor". There's engineers at the water treatment plants, trash pickup workers, truckers and delivery people following clean safety guidelines, checkers at grocery stores, and on and on...good people who care.

And bless the selfless, beautiful health care workers out there risking their lives for us.

What It’s Like to Intubate Coronavirus Patients Almost Every Day

What has your role been when caring for patients who are sick with COVID-19?
"I respond to calls to intubate patients all over the hospital. Intubating means that I put a breathing tube into the patient's airway. The exposure for me and others standing close by is high because the patient is often coughing, which causes aerosolization of the virus into the air. When we place the breathing tubes, we have to see the vocal cords, so our faces are close to the patients’ mouths."
 
^^sbm


Big businesses were able to snap up the PPP dollars designated for small businesses because the program was touted as "first come first serve" which provided the perfect window for the ugly 100+ Public Companies to cut in line days before the program gained congressional approval. The small businesses in need were scrambling to comply with the SBA loan application checklist and trying to get through the 800 number when the big boys were already on direct dial -- if not called by their bankers first! Let me be clear, they were not looking for the forgivable loans but very cheap dollars.

The reality is that all these large firms were fed the details by the Washington insiders and lobbyists before the bill was signed. And I promise the same thing is going on right now while politicians have been horse-trading behind closed doors for days as part of the art to refill the program dollars.

Is it any wonder that having been caught, they're all pledging to give back the money?

ETA: add link
Ruth's Chris and other chain restaurants got big PPP loans when small business' couldn't - CNN

As a result of a heavily lobbied exemption, larger food-service operations landed $10 million loans from the PPP. These include Potbelly (PBPB) Sandwich Shop and Shake Shack (SHAK), which has upward of $100 million in cash on hand, as well as Fiesta Restaurant Group Inc (FRGI)., the owner of Taco
Cabana
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This ^^^^

I should be verified as an insider.......lol........fine dining establishment frequented by all the hob nobs......yeah.....I was the bartender.....lol.
 
Re: reopening, first and foremost the virus has to be (somewhat) under control.

I of course understand the urgent economic pressure and reasons to open, but with that being said, I’d feel more comfortable doing that with a little more time (again I know people are starving), but I’m talking time to let those numbers go down some more, not just plateau for a few days. Some countries are ahead of us timeline wise (well Idk in light of the new Santa Clara report), but what I’m saying is some other countries seemed to only ease lockdowns after they saw more dominant downward trends and allowed a little more time, here the States is already opening back up and we have the most cases, may be behind time wise AND aren’t seeing a strong enough decline yet IMO. It seems, odd, that we are opening up at the same time as other countries who seemed to ahead of us in the timeline.

I’m not up to date with all the recent US state graphs and “curves”, perhaps they are better than I think.

Hospital capacity seems to be good in Colorado, and social distancing does seem to really have helped a lot in a lot of places. So this is good we seem to have some absorption room. But our Governor himself said undiagnosed cases can be soooo much higher, up to ten times! He seems to be undermining the value of testing and isolating imo, taking rather the approach of “oh its too widespread to depend on that...”, “it’s not realistic”..He is also putting a lot of value in masks, masks, masks (es they are important but are they a cureall? Yeah they’re helpful)...I want to keep hearing about handwashing. He keeps talking about sports. Yeah I know pro sports are great an important, but I don’t view them as a necessity at this moment, pro sports. MOO Exercise, yes. Pro spectator sports, no JMO.

We have to have the virus under control (somewhat) before we ease constrictions imo as much as possible. The timing “instinctually feels” premature by me, even if by just by a couple weeks as far as a resulting resurgence of easing lockdowns too soon. I would feel more reassured if we at leeeeast waited a couple more weeks but I knoow people have to work and I know we have to get people back to work.
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Some quick references in progress
 
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This ^^^^

I should be verified as an insider.......lol........fine dining establishment frequented by all the hob nobs......yeah.....I was the bartender.....lol.
I had similar experience (as perhaps did many working that kind of job).

Many moons ago, though. My stories would be dated and smell like perms, lol

jmo
 
She got a forgivable loan. Her employees hate her for it.

Jamie Black-Lewis felt like she won the lottery after getting two forgivable loans through the Paycheck Protection Program.

Black-Lewis saw the $177,000 and $43,800 loans, one for each of the spas she owns in Washington state, as a lifeline she could use for payroll and other business expenses.


She’d halted pay for the 35 employees — including herself — at Oasis Medspa & Salon, in Woodinville, and Amai Day Spa, in Bothell, in mid-March, when nonessential businesses in Washington closed due to the coronavirus pandemic.
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When Black-Lewis convened a virtual employee meeting to explain her good fortune, she expected jubilation and relief that paychecks would resume in full even though the staff — primarily hourly employees — couldn’t work.

She got a different reaction.

“It was a firestorm of hatred about the situation,” Black-Lewis said.
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The anger came from employees who’d determined they’d make more money by collecting unemployment benefits than their normal paychecks.
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It wasn’t just those on the lower end of the pay scale who were upset — even ones who would stand to make more money from their regular paychecks sided with lower earners, Black-Lewis said.

“They were pissed I’d take this opportunity away from them to make more for my own selfish greed to pay rent,” she said.
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