Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #50

[Tillicum]

US briefing is on now... White House Coronavirus Task Force Briefing | C-SPAN.org

POTUS just said he told KEMP he disagreed with opening tattoo parlors, beauty parlors and barber shops during phase one.

 

[musicaljoke]

Coronavirus: San Diego doctor markets COVID-19 immunity medication as pandemic scams surge

Coronavirus: San Diego doctor markets COVID-19 immunity medication as pandemic scams surge
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The doctor in San Diego was arrested for allegedly marketing packages of drugs that he said could provide six weeks of immunity from COVID19. He charged $3,995.
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This is horrible, but predictable. I feel the same sense of dread about the use of hydroxychloroquine in the US, which was recommended with no science to back it up.

More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug in VA virus study

 

[10ofRods]

She got a forgivable loan. Her employees hate her for it.

Jamie Black-Lewis felt like she won the lottery after getting two forgivable loans through the Paycheck Protection Program.

Black-Lewis saw the $177,000 and $43,800 loans, one for each of the spas she owns in Washington state, as a lifeline she could use for payroll and other business expenses.


She’d halted pay for the 35 employees — including herself — at Oasis Medspa & Salon, in Woodinville, and Amai Day Spa, in Bothell, in mid-March, when nonessential businesses in Washington closed due to the coronavirus pandemic.
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When Black-Lewis convened a virtual employee meeting to explain her good fortune, she expected jubilation and relief that paychecks would resume in full even though the staff — primarily hourly employees — couldn’t work.

She got a different reaction.

“It was a firestorm of hatred about the situation,” Black-Lewis said.
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The anger came from employees who’d determined they’d make more money by collecting unemployment benefits than their normal paychecks.
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It wasn’t just those on the lower end of the pay scale who were upset — even ones who would stand to make more money from their regular paychecks sided with lower earners, Black-Lewis said.

“They were pissed I’d take this opportunity away from them to make more for my own selfish greed to pay rent,” she said.
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This just floors me. But echoes a some of the subtext here and across the internet. "Why do we need businesses?"

Well, when this is all over and your unemployment runs out you won't have an income! I keep having to explain to the students rejoicing in their unemployment checks that these do not last forever. What if all the jobs at the mall are gone?? What will you do then?

It's very likely that these same employees would get paid from that money for a couple of months and then still have to go on unemployment. At least they'd have income for longer.

But no, people want an immediate Christmas present of extra money. Plus the national debt to pay all of this (the loans, the unemployment - well, we'll see how it goes to keep printing money the way Germany did in the 1920's - it didn't end well).

 

[LadyL]

I visited Vegas for the first time this summer and wandered through casinos. It was striking how close together people sit. That can be dealt with, but I wonder about all the smoking, since it's a respiratory illness. Maybe owners will ban that temporarily?

there's still smoking allowed inside buildings there??!

 

[mickey2942]

I am watching the President right now, sort of surprised about the announcement for Thunderbird Air shows from the Air Force will be demonstrating in cities across the United States.

Well, I guess that the pandemic is over, let's go to an air show. Okay.

 

[LadyL]

Most casinos have a non smoking section. I bet they reverse it, and make the tiny /non smoking section into a small smoking section, in the future.

wow I'm genuinely shocked it's still going on there!
it's illegal here

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I am watching the President right now, sort of surprised about the announcement for Thunderbird Air shows from the Air Force will be demonstrating in cities across the United States.

Well, I guess that the pandemic is over, let's go to an air show. Okay.

Maybe they are thinking a lot of people can watch from their homes, which many might enjoy.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

This just floors me. But echoes a some of the subtext here and across the internet. "Why do we need businesses?"

Well, when this is all over and your unemployment runs out you won't have an income! I keep having to explain to the students rejoicing in their unemployment checks that these do not last forever. What if all the jobs at the mall are gone?? What will you do then?

It's very likely that these same employees would get paid from that money for a couple of months and then still have to go on unemployment. At least they'd have income for longer.

But no, people want an immediate Christmas present of extra money. Plus the national debt to pay all of this (the loans, the unemployment - well, we'll see how it goes to keep printing money the way Germany did in the 1920's - it didn't end well).

[/QUOTE]

RSBM, and respectfully, I'm not sure anyone here said that, and as a person who has been through some stuff, I don't underestimate the intelligence of people who live from paycheck to paycheck. They know the money will run out. They're used to it. It's not a Christmas present. It's a chance to pay some bills, and maybe a chance to get away from a bad employer, or a bad partner, or something else. She let them go out of necessity - they didn't quit for the prospect of free money (unemployment insurance doesn't tend to work that way, anyhow). What if this spa owner is a nightmare to work for? Why should they come back? Feudalism is not what we should aim for. These people pay taxes, too. Why shouldn't they get some social safety net for the money they pay?

 

[Tillicum]

Maybe they are thinking a lot of people can watch from their homes, which many might enjoy.

Yeah I was thinking about how much all those bored kids would enjoy it. Hopefully it will be televised for those who can't watch from home.

 

[Cool Cats]

Wow. So some of the states that are pushing to reopen are the very ones that need to wait.

Looks like I have another month to do all that cleaning the rest of you have been doing.

You mention cleaning. What do you think about yardwork? Is it ok to go out in your yard and plant a garden or paint your shed? How bout indoor repairs? Is it ok to lay some tile in the bathroom or replace a door knob that broke?

Why do I ask?
BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR OF MY STATE WON'T LET STORES SELL ANY HOUSE, TOOL,
PAINT GARDENING SUPPLIES ETC..

Well, I can buy alcohol and lottery tickets!

Governor Whitmer’s stay-at-home order is considered one of the most restrictive in the nation. Along with prohibiting garden centers and plant nurseries, the order prohibits the sale of carpeting, flooring, furniture, and paint. It also blocks Michiganders from using motorboats and vacation properties.

Michigan's stay-at-home order "decimating" for garden centers - Brownfield Ag News

Amy Upton tells Brownfield no plant sales are allowed in Michigan, and thousands of vegetable and flower plants are being thrown out or composted. She says, “I talked to one greenhouse grower that sells Easter lilies. They threw out $125,000 worth of Easter lilies. They dumped them. He said they’re in a big pile behind the greenhouse.

 

[KALI]

No argument from me about that.... however, then they should have had a different loan program. Not taking from small businesses.
They have the political clout to get their own programs.
Mom and Pop and small businesses have no voice or power. Moo

Those fat cat companies are very important to the state's economy. Without them, the economy would likely collapse.

Ruth Chris , for example. They have 82 steakhouses, with a combined income of 328 million. If they go under, that is a lot of jobs lost, and a lot of revenue lost for the state's. It is beneficial for all of us taxpayers too try and keep the large, stable companies in business, to help pay their income taxes and to help feed others through their own employees and through the companies they hire as vendors, suppliers, etc.

 

[10ofRods]

there's still smoking allowed inside buildings there??!

Yes. There are now non-smoking casinos.

The vast majority permit smoking in the casino lobby area (where all the slot machines are), sometimes with a smoke free glassed in card room for people who want to be there for a while. Smoking is permitted in a majority of hotel rooms, as well, but you can find non-smoking rooms.

Here are the non-smoking casinos:

• The Signature Hotel at MGM Grand
• The Platinum Hotel and Spa
• The Four Seasons
• Vdara
• Delano

So...not very many. Vdara is extremely nice, haven't stayed there but have visited someone who was.

It's a bit shocking when you're not used to it. Smoke-filled coffee shops. Smokers in Denny's. I think it may be banned in McDonald's, not sure.

 

[KALI]

Ha. Our mayor is in jail. Has not been replaced. We have a chamber of commerce, but they're not politically involved in anything.

Have you got a state or local representative you can complain too or a local business organisation?

Those fat cat companies are very important to the state's economy. Without them, the economy would likely collapse.

Ruth Chris , for example. They have 82 steakhouses, with a combined income of 328 million. If they go under, that is a lot of jobs lost, and a lot of revenue lost for the state's. It is beneficial for all of us taxpayers too try and keep the large, stable companies in business, to help pay their income taxes and to help feed others through their own employees and through the companies they hire as vendors, suppliers, etc.

 

[CSIDreamer]

LOUISVILLE, Ky. —

University of Louisville researchers say they may have made a breakthrough in fighting the novel coronavirus.

UofL believes it's made breakthrough in COVID-19 treatment, works to fast-track approval

 

[10ofRods]

You mention cleaning. What do you think about yardwork? Is it ok to go out in your yard and plant a garden or paint your shed? How bout indoor repairs? Is it ok to lay some tile in the bathroom or replace a door knob that broke?

Why do I ask?
BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR OF MY STATE WON'T LET STORES SELL ANY HOUSE, TOOL,
PAINT GARDENING SUPPLIES ETC..

Well, I can buy alcohol and lottery tickets!

Governor Whitmer’s stay-at-home order is considered one of the most restrictive in the nation. Along with prohibiting garden centers and plant nurseries, the order prohibits the sale of carpeting, flooring, furniture, and paint. It also blocks Michiganders from using motorboats and vacation properties.

Michigan's stay-at-home order "decimating" for garden centers - Brownfield Ag News

Amy Upton tells Brownfield no plant sales are allowed in Michigan, and thousands of vegetable and flower plants are being thrown out or composted. She says, “I talked to one greenhouse grower that sells Easter lilies. They threw out $125,000 worth of Easter lilies. They dumped them. He said they’re in a big pile behind the greenhouse.

What the heck? We've never closed hardware/garden centers here (nor has there been any special social distancing - now that I have a mask, I might go back - but they've been SO crowded).

But at least open! We have had great luck buying plants online, too. As well as seeds and tools.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Yes. There are now non-smoking casinos.

The vast majority permit smoking in the casino lobby area (where all the slot machines are), sometimes with a smoke free glassed in card room for people who want to be there for a while. Smoking is permitted in a majority of hotel rooms, as well, but you can find non-smoking rooms.

Here are the non-smoking casinos:

• The Signature Hotel at MGM Grand
• The Platinum Hotel and Spa
• The Four Seasons
• Vdara
• Delano

So...not very many. Vdara is extremely nice, haven't stayed there but have visited someone who was.

It's a bit shocking when you're not used to it. Smoke-filled coffee shops. Smokers in Denny's. I think it may be banned in McDonald's, not sure.

I've admitted I'm a smoker. I don't smoke inside. I don't think I could handle a casino that allows smoking inside. Jmo

 

[zecats]

Wow. So some of the states that are pushing to reopen are the very ones that need to wait.

Looks like I have another month to do all that cleaning the rest of you have been doing.

I haven't started any of the projects on my stay-at-home list either. I cleaned and prepped to make room for my daughter, SIL and grandson back in late March. But, since then, not much. Sort of got waylaid taking care of DH after he became sick. Now he's better, I'm working on getting him up to par to at least take out the trash and recycling cans. Believe me, there are a ton of places in this home and on this property that need a thorough sorting and tossing. Still time, it seems.

 

[Cool Cats]

What the heck? We've never closed hardware/garden centers here (nor has there been any special social distancing - now that I have a mask, I might go back - but they've been SO crowded).

But at least open! We have had great luck buying plants online, too. As well as seeds and tools.

Right. I shop more on-line. I need seeds plus other outdoor "necessities."



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[Reasonable & Just]

You mention cleaning. What do you think about yardwork? Is it ok to go out in your yard and plant a garden or paint your shed? How bout indoor repairs? Is it ok to lay some tile in the bathroom or replace a door knob that broke?

Why do I ask?
BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR OF MY STATE WON'T LET STORES SELL ANY HOUSE, TOOL,
PAINT GARDENING SUPPLIES ETC..

Well, I can buy alcohol and lottery tickets!

Governor Whitmer’s stay-at-home order is considered one of the most restrictive in the nation. Along with prohibiting garden centers and plant nurseries, the order prohibits the sale of carpeting, flooring, furniture, and paint. It also blocks Michiganders from using motorboats and vacation properties.

Michigan's stay-at-home order "decimating" for garden centers - Brownfield Ag News

Amy Upton tells Brownfield no plant sales are allowed in Michigan, and thousands of vegetable and flower plants are being thrown out or composted. She says, “I talked to one greenhouse grower that sells Easter lilies. They threw out $125,000 worth of Easter lilies. They dumped them. He said they’re in a big pile behind the greenhouse.

I'm sorry. This must be frustrating as all heck, and it sounds like the Governor's office is not being clear or communicative on this. I had read (here and elsewhere) about other people who are able to buy gardening supplies in MI, but only at smaller stores, and there is a statement from the a government spokesperson here referring to guidelines that apply to places that are 50,000 sq. ft or more. Can you buy seeds in Michigan? Confusion reigns over Whitmer stay-home order.

 

[Inthedetails]

Yeah I was thinking about how much all those bored kids would enjoy it. Hopefully it will be televised for those who can't watch from home.

I was thinking the same thing - add some variety to life.

jmo