Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #78

Welcome to Websleuths!
Click to learn how to make a missing person's thread

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves

New Posts

Status
Not open for further replies.
SouthAussie said:
The article clearly states that bars and restaurants now will stop serving alcohol at 10pm. Loud music and loud TVs are to be turned down to conversation level. All patrons must be seated. No dancing.

A multi-pronged approach.
Click to expand...

All of which night clubs and banquet halls could comply with. The gentleman from the trade organization said that night clubs have all basically converted to lounges, anyway. And, from the links, "banquet halls associated with golf courses and yacht clubs have been excluded from the new order."

After experiencing it here, it's interesting to see it somewhere else. Bar owners in AZ have been protesting, and suing (to no avail), wondering why it's OK for all of their customers get blasted at the bar inside a Chilie's.
 
MrX said:
All of which night clubs and banquet halls could comply with. The gentleman from the trade organization said that night clubs have all basically converted to lounges, anyway. And, from the links, "banquet halls associated with golf courses and yacht clubs have been excluded from the new order."

After experiencing it here, it's interesting to see it somewhere else. Bar owners in AZ have been protesting, and suing (to no avail), wondering why it's OK for all of their customers get blasted at the bar inside a Chilie's.
Click to expand...

Spikes are happening among younger people. Which can cause a ripple effect through the general population. Where do many young people go at night? To nightclubs.

We have had the same issues here. The young people do not remain seated. They line up too closely outside the nightclubs. They get very intoxicated and hang all over each other. They take constant monitoring, which they frequently resist. imo

I completely understand this BC approach. Tampering down the potential ripple effect.

I also understand the venue owners concern about a lack of income. It is something that is happening everywhere. We will all need to recover from that, at some point in time. But getting back the deceased people is not recoverable. That is what we are all trying to stop ... more deaths.
 
CSIDreamer said:
Indiana, US

720 new cases 9/4-9/8
17 deaths 9/2-9/8
ICU census 228 covid patients using 9.8% of our 2328 ICU beds
Ventilator census 69 covid patients using 2.4% of our 2896 ventilators
To date, 92% (2919) of our total deaths (3173) are individuals aged 60+

From world meters, we have just a few over 20,000 active cases.

ISDH - Novel Coronavirus: Indiana COVID-19 Dashboard
Click to expand...

Am so glad to see the overall cases falling daily, what were the US deaths today? They have averaged 800 per day for the last week so the estimate of it continuing at 1,000 daily is not going to happen hopefully.
 
@Auntie Cipation

I don't do the paper towel thing in a jar because I like to save my really good viva paper towels for serious stuff, and for a long while my brand was not always available. I feel like most wet paper towels generally rip up pretty easily and that the baby wipes hold up quite a bit better when I am disinfecting multiple items. Plus, the size is just perfect for taking to work in my purse.

Any of these ideas are fine. It just depends on what is most suitable for the various jobs you intend to do with your homemade disinfectants. I certainly still use disinfectant spray and paper towels for many things at home. But a single wipe holds up and stays wet for loads of decontamination after work (car surfaces, door knobs, keys, glasses frames hearing aids, phone, wallet, mp3 player, etc.).
 
10ofRods said:
How is it arbitrary when those places have the known characteristics in which CoVid is actually transmitted by humans to each other?

As opposed to being outdoors on a trail. Which is deemed to be 95% less likely a place to get CoVid than a place where people stand next to each other, their heads near each others' heads, in an indoor place with no particular requirements for ventilation?

Restaurants are safer because at least most of the time, people remain seated and near their own parties, but in bars and banquet halls, the whole point is to move around and mingle and if you've never been to a bar where bodies are literally touching/pressed together, then...well, I envy you.
Click to expand...

The Banquet Halls and bars are being blamed when it appears to be the beach gatherings and congregating at fault.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MrX
MrX said:
All of which night clubs and banquet halls could comply with. The gentleman from the trade organization said that night clubs have all basically converted to lounges, anyway. And, from the links, "banquet halls associated with golf courses and yacht clubs have been excluded from the new order."

After experiencing it here, it's interesting to see it somewhere else. Bar owners in AZ have been protesting, and suing (to no avail), wondering why it's OK for all of their customers get blasted at the bar inside a Chilie's.
Click to expand...
Chili’s had smaller bars - maybe 12 person seating at a “U” shaped bar? It seems so long ago. :( With social distancing, how many now can sit at the bar - 4 people?
What are the restrictions there on indoor occupancy at restaurants? I think we’re at 25%.
 
Las Vegas restaurant owners grateful to reopen bars, counters

...and another one that makes no sense. Bar seating is now allowed in restaurants, but bar top machines in casinos are still off limits. I don't know what they are looking at, but bar top gaming strikes me as a very socially distanced activity. When people are playing a machine at casino bar, the last thing they seem to want is a crowd of strangers looking over their shoulder.
 
MimosaMornings said:
Chili’s had smaller bars - maybe 12 person seating at a “U” shaped bar? It seems so long ago. :( With social distancing, how many now can sit at the bar - 4 people?
What are the restrictions there on indoor occupancy at restaurants? I think we’re at 25%.
Click to expand...

We have virtually no enforcement, so it's whatever the proprietor feels comfortable with, but the Order is 50% . I know a general manager of a Chili's, out here, and he said the bar closures were a gold mine for them. Between the bar and the tables in the bar area, they were doing a huge business from people who's corner taverns were forced to close.
 
tresir2012 said:
The Banquet Halls and bars are being blamed when it appears to be the beach gatherings and congregating at fault.
Click to expand...

Well, the beach gatherings arent going to be a problem for much longer. With the cool temps settling in.
So they are addressing other problems. A very wise approach. imo

I don't see any of these measures as 'blame'. I see them as trying to stop deaths, in the best way that we all can.

As Boris is trying to do, in the 6-person approach. As we are trying to do with our closed state borders.
 
Responding to @RANCH who wrote:

Is the IZA Institute of Labor Economics a science based company that we should base medical decisions on?

http://ftp.iza.org/dp13670.pdf
Click to expand...

No one is basing "medical decisions" on this article. The medical advice/decisions were in place before that article.

This is demographic science (and well, those economists are darned good at it).

The medical decisions were made by the participants, by the organizers, by their doctors (or lack thereof). We all knew it was airborne, that it happened indoors, that males are more likely to get severe cases, that it takes 2-7 days to make itself evident.

Those are the facts that the authors of the article used to do their demographic projections. Same type of thing big corporations buy from consultants when they want to launch a product.
 
10ofRods said:
Responding to @RANCH who wrote:



No one is basing "medical decisions" on this article. The medical advice/decisions were in place before that article.

This is demographic science (and well, those economists are darned good at it).

The medical decisions were made by the participants, by the organizers, by their doctors (or lack thereof). We all knew it was airborne, that it happened indoors, that males are more likely to get severe cases, that it takes 2-7 days to make itself evident.

Those are the facts that the authors of the article used to do their demographic projections. Same type of thing big corporations buy from consultants when they want to launch a product.
Click to expand...
That's good to know. I don't trust economists to trace the spread of the virus. JMO
 
SouthAussie said:
Well, the beach gatherings arent going to be a problem for much longer. With the cool temps settling in.
So they are addressing other problems. A very wise approach. imo

I don't see any of these measures as 'blame'. I see them as trying to stop deaths, in the best way that we all can.

As Boris is trying to do, in 6 person approach.
Click to expand...

Not sure of the temperature there but the photo looked like they were still enjoying warm weather unless it was an archive photo. Problem is noone is taking names at the beach gatherings. Here we had a lovely warm day so hoping September stays warm.
 
Iowa numbers today: As of 10:00-11:00 a.m. today, we had 478 new confirmed cases for a total of 71,137 confirmed cases of which 50,937 had recovered (+566). 12 more had passed away for a total of 1,185. Iowa COVID-19 Information
Sept. 9: 478 new COVID-19 cases in Iowa, 12 deaths, 566 recoveries
* The county that I live in does a daily FB post every late afternoon and IDPH is already at least 5 cases behind and have not yet added numbers that my county already reported yesterday afternoon, so I don't know if their automatic system is behind, but I'm not really trusting the accuracy of the daily counts now.
University of Iowa shares 52 more self-reported cases of COVID-19
 
Last edited:
Mostly a double post, so edited.

In re: the 250,000 Sturgis-related cases?

I think the figures are theoretical - but suggestive, especially when looking at the real time data from states where there have been CoVid upswings.

The authors did not take into account prior positivity rates in those populations, for starters (therefore perhaps over-estimating just a tad).
 
MrX said:
Because instead of going to a nightclub, where the rules are enforced, they will go to a bar - maybe one that's become a little lax. If the authorities go after bars, then they'll go to restaurants with bars. Instead of a large banquet hall, folks will find a restaurant willing to turn a blind eye to a larger crowd than normal, or the event will be held at a private residence with no protocols in place. So it does seem like more of a feel good "let's just do something" action than anything particularly vindictive.
Click to expand...

[bbm]

what is the difference between a nightclub and a bar?
those two terms are interchangeable around here
 
MrX said:
We have virtually no enforcement, so it's whatever the proprietor feels comfortable with, but the Order is 50% . I know a general manager of a Chili's, out here, and he said the bar closures were a gold mine for them. Between the bar and the tables in the bar area, they were doing a huge business from people who's corner taverns were forced to close.
Click to expand...

Take a look inside a reopened Chili's restaurant
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

DNASolves

Who is Fairfield County Jane Doe (1993)?

Members online

... and 112 more.
Total: 1,936 (members: 113, guests: 1,823)

Online statistics

Members online
113
Guests online
1,823
Total visitors
1,936
Totals may include hidden visitors.

Forum statistics

Threads
606,802
Messages
18,211,327
Members
233,965
Latest member
tammyb1025
Back
Top