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dmac55 said:
I don't know about your dog, but it's a good question

Re: can people carry/transmit Covid-19 after being vaccinated

"...while the vaccine may prevent you from getting sick, it is unknown at this time if you can still carry and transmit the virus to others. That is why, until more is understood about how well the vaccine works, continuing with precautions such as mask-wearing and physical distancing will be important."

COVID-19 Vaccine: What You Need to Know | Johns Hopkins Medicine
COVID-19 Vaccine: What You Need to Know
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Because we've been told to stay away from our pets if we get covid, my dog is only allowed to visit with one other person - my mom. And when my dog had to have tests at a clinic where some employees had been positive, we bathed her the minute she hit the door. And she wasn't allowed to see mom for awhile, just in case.
 
dmac55 said:
"Based on the limited information available to date, the risk of animals spreading COVID-19 to people is considered to be low."

If You Have Pets | COVID-19 | CDC
COVID-19 and Your Health

(No matter what source I read, they all say similar, that there are alot of unknowns about animals and Covid-19 transmission)
So I just picked one although it's not definitive
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It seems we can give it to them, though, so I'm protecting my dog and cats. They don't see others unless necessary except for my mom who doesn't go out.
 
margarita25 said:
Updated compilation of notes on strains, mutations, variants:

Live Q&A on the new #COVID19 virus variant with WHO, @covidgenomicUK, and @sangerinstitute experts / Dec. 23, 2020
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Are there different strains of the SARS-CoV-2 virus circulating?
June 10, 2020

What is a virus ‘strain’?
When scientists use the word strain, they are referring to a genetically distinct virus lineage, distinguishable by one or more mutations from another strain. Strains may or may not be biologically (functionally) distinguishable from one another and some virologists use the term strain only for the former. Two strains would be biologically different if they elicited different responses from the human immune system, or if they varied in their transmission characteristics.

What are viral mutations?
When a virus infects a cell and begins making copies of itself, it starts by replicating its genetic information, which for the COVID-19 virus is encoded in an RNA molecule. More complex organisms have a variety of “proof-reading” mechanisms to ensure high-fidelity replication; however, these are less developed in RNA viruses where the process is particularly error-prone, leading to a relatively rapid accumulation of mutations over time. SARS-CoV-2 does carry some proof-reading enzymes and its mutation rate is lower than many other RNA viruses, such as influenza virus, norovirus and human immunodeficiency virus (HIV).
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June 15, 2020
COVID-19 Will Mutate — What That Means for a Vaccine

“More infectious

A new study from the Scripps Research Institute in Florida suggests the new coronavirus has mutated into a variant that’s more infectious.

The mutation — named “the D614G mutation” — occurred on the spike protein, the part of the virus that helps it bind and fuse to our cells. The D614G mutation makes it easier for the virus to infect our cells.

The Scripps researchers aren’t the first to identify the tiny mutation on the spike protein.

In March, researchers from the Los Alamos National Laboratory announced they detected the D614G mutation, and that it was likely responsible for most infections reported in Europe and the United States.

In total, the researchers identified 14 strains of SARS-CoV-2 and released their findings to help those working on vaccines and treatments.

That being said, the new dominant strain identified does seem to be more infectious in laboratory settings. Scientists are now trying to understand how the variation behaves in the body — which may be very different from lab settings.”
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June 30, 2020
Mutated COVID-19 Viral Strain in U.S. and Europe 10 Times More Contagious than Original Strain | BioSpace

“The mutation does not appear to make the virus any more deadly than it already is, but it does appear to make it significantly more contagious. The original strain in China is dubbed D614, while the one found in the UK, Italy and North America by May is dubbed G614.“
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July 16, 2020
Second Coronavirus Strain May Be More Infectious—but Some Scientists Are Skeptical

“The paper indicates that a single amino acid change from D (aspartic acid) to G (glycine) on the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein(which such viruses use to grab onto human cells) is the key to how infectious the pathogen is. “The spike protein has a critically important role in the biology of the virus,” says Bette Korber, a computational biologist at the Los Alamos National Laboratory and lead author of the new paper.

Korber and her colleagues came to this conclusion after employing multiple approaches to examine the two strains. First, they performed a statistical analysis that showed how the mutated virus—often referred to as the “G strain”—achieved dominance across multiple continents, outperforming the coexisting original version of SARS-CoV-2, or “D strain.” Then the researchers tested the amount of the virus in individuals with COVID-19 at the Sheffield Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust in England. The results showed that the G strain produced more of the virus in the human body than the D strain. But the former did not lead to a higher hospitalization rate, meaning it apparently did not cause more severe illnesses. Lastly, the team members created “pseudotype” pathogens by embedding SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins, containing either D or G amino acids, into other disease-causing viruses...”
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Aug. 3, 2020
The six strains of SARS-CoV-2
“Source:
Università di Bologna
Summary:
The virus causing the COVID-19 pandemic, SARS-CoV-2, presents at least six strains. Despite its mutations, the virus shows little variability, and this is good news for the researchers working on a viable vaccine.“
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Sept. 8, 2020

“In April, Korber, Montefiori and others warned in a preprint posted to the bioRxiv server that “D614G is increasing in frequency at an alarming rate”1. It had rapidly become the dominant SARS-CoV-2 lineage in Europe and had then taken hold in the United States, Canada and Australia. D614G represented a “more transmissible form of SARS-CoV-2”, the paper declared, one that had emerged as a product of natural selection.“
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Oct. 30, 2020
Coronavirus mutation may have made it more contagious

“Source:
University of Texas at Austin
Summary:
A study involving more than 5,000 COVID-19 patients in Houston finds that the virus that causes the disease is accumulating genetic mutations, one of which may have made it more contagious. This mirrors a study published in July that found that around the world, viral strains with the same genetic mutation quickly outcompeted other strains.

A study involving more than 5,000 COVID-19 patients in Houston finds that the virus that causes the disease is accumulating genetic mutations, one of which may have made it more contagious. According to the paper published in the peer-reviewed journal mBIO, that mutation, called D614G, is located in the spike protein that pries open our cells for viral entry. It's the largest peer-reviewed study of SARS-CoV-2 genome sequences in one metropolitan region of the U.S. to date.”

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“A study published in July based on more than 28,000 genome sequences found that variants carrying the D614G mutation became the globally dominant form of SARS-CoV-2 in about a month.”

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“Natural selection would favor strains of the virus that transmit more easily. But not all scientists are convinced. Some have suggested another explanation, called "founder's effects." In that scenario, the D614G mutation might have been more common in the first viruses to arrive in Europe and North America, essentially giving them a head start on other strains.“
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Detection of new SARS-CoV-2 variants related to mink
12 November 2020
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/RRA-SARS-CoV-2-in-mink-12-nov-2020.pdf

“The mutation Y453F”

SARS-CoV-2 mink-associated variant strain – Denmark
6 November 2020

“Since June 2020, 214 human cases of COVID-19 have been identified in Denmark with SARS-CoV-2 variants associated with farmed minks, including 12 cases with a unique variant, reported on 5 November. All 12 cases were identified in September 2020 in North Jutland, Denmark. The cases ranged in age from 7 to 79 years, and eight had a link to the mink farming industry and four cases were from the local community.

Initial observations suggest that the clinical presentation, severity and transmission among those infected are similar to that of other circulating SARS-CoV-2 viruses. However, this variant, referred to as the "cluster 5" variant, had a combination of mutations, or changes that have not been previously observed. The implications of the identified changes in this variant are not yet well understood. Preliminary findings indicate that this particular mink-associated variant identified in both minks and the 12 human cases has moderately decreased sensitivity to neutralizing antibodies. Further scientific and laboratory-based studies are required to verify preliminary findings reported and to understand any potential implications of this finding in terms of diagnostics, therapeutics and vaccines in development. In the meantime, actions are being taken by Danish authorities to limit the further spread of this variant of the virus among mink and human populations.“

WHO / SARS-CoV-2 mink-associated variant strain – Denmark / Nov. 6, 2020

https://www.oie.int/fileadmin/Home/...E_on_Sars-CoV-2_in_Denmark_5_november2020.pdf
Nov. 5, 2020
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Nov. 13, 2020
Study: New Mutation Sped Up Spread of Coronavirus

“Compared to the original strain, people infected with the new strain -- called 614G -- have higher viral loads in their nose and throat, though they don’t seem to get any sicker. But they are much more contagious to others.“
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Dec. 15, 2020
New coronavirus strain spreading in UK has key mutations, scientists say

“The new variant, which UK scientists have named “VUI – 202012/01” includes a mutation in the viral genome region encoding the spike protein, which - in theory - could result in COVID-19 spreading more easily between people.”

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“As of Dec. 13, 1,108 COVID-19 cases with the new variant had been identified, predominantly in the south and east of England, Public Health England said in a statement.

But there is currently no evidence that the variant is more likely to cause severe COVID-19 infections, the scientists said, or that it would render vaccines less effective.“
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Severe COVID variant detected in South Africa, health minister says

“Known as the 501.V2 Variant, it was identified by South African researchers and details have been sent to the World Health Organization, Zwelini Mkhize said in a statement.“

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“The research team, led by Tulio de Oliveira, has shared its findings with the scientific community and alerted authorities in Britain, who have “studied their own samples and found that a similar mutation… was the variant that was driving their resurgence in London,” he said.”
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@DrZweliMkhize
Dec 18
Karim: This new 501.V2 variant has become dominant in South Africa. This new variant has 3 mutations. #SARSCOV2MediaBriefing

South Africa identifies new coronavirus strain causing surge in cases

““The evidence that has been collated, therefore, strongly suggests that the current second wave we are experiencing is being driven by this new variant,” Mkhize added.”
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New Variant of SARS-CoV-2 Frequently Asked Questions - NICD
Dec. 19, 2020

“Q What is the new SARS-CoV-2 variant?
A This new variant of the virus was discovered through routine genomic surveillance of SARS-
CoV-2 performed by a network of laboratories around the country (Network for Genomic Surveillance South Africa, NGS-SA). The new variant has been identified in almost 200 samples collected from over 50 different health facilities in Eastern Cape, Western Cape and KwaZulu- Natal. The new variant is different from the others that were circulating in South Africa because it has multiple mutations (changes) in the spike protein – this is the very important part of the virus that binds to the receptor on the cells inside our body and that is also the main target for many of the antibodies produced during infection or after vaccination. Work is being done to understand what effect these mutations have on the behaviour of the virus and our body’s response to it - particularly whether it makes the virus spread more easily, whether it might lead to more severe COVID-19, and whether the virus can evade our immune response.

Q What is the geographical distribution of this mutation?
A The variant was first identified in Nelson Mandela Bay but has rapidly spread through the rest
of the Eastern Cape and to the Western Cape and KwaZulu-Natal provinces. Testing in other provinces is being undertaken to understand the extent of geographical spread but it is likely that this variant has spread to other provinces too.”

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Q Is this the same or different to the London variant?
A It is definitely not the same variant, but there are similarities as they both share the same change in the spike protein at the 501 position. What it does tell us is that if we do not control the spread of the virus then it is likely to evolve in similar ways in different parts of the world.”
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UK Variant:

“The variant that’s being discussed was first identified in September...” - Alex Azar | source
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In the WHO Press Briefing from Monday, Dec. 21, 2020, Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove comments about the UK VUI / source:
  • It has a number of mutations that was identified through genomic sequencing, which is carried out across the country.

  • The Variant Under Investigation was reported to WHO on 14th December, following detail analysis that the UK had done in the southeast of England, looking at their epidemiologic surveillance data and their laboratory data, noting an increase in transmission at the end of Nov/Dec, while interventions were in place.
  • They did some file genetic analysis and identified this variant, “they’re calling it the “B-117 lineage which includes this mutation at the N501Y site”.

  • She also said the reproductive number went up by .4, increasing from 1.1 to 1.5.

  • Also note it was originally referred to as “VUI-202012/01”:
    * From above notes, “Dec. 15, 2020: New coronavirus strain spreading in UK has key mutations, scientists say “The new variant, which UK scientists have named “VUI – 202012/01” includes a mutation in the viral genome region encoding the spike protein, which - in theory - could result in COVID-19 spreading more easily between people.”...“As of Dec. 13, 1,108 COVID-19 cases with the new variant had been identified, predominantly in the south and east of England, Public Health England said in a statement.“
Additionally, the reporter specifically asks if there is a connection between the two new variants from UK and South Africa:

21:00 | Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove:

“So, at the same time, there was another variant that was identified in South Africa, and it has one of the same mutations, this 501Y mutation but a different variant. They have arisen at the same time but it is a separate variant.”
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they talk in a number of these research papers about the new variants being more infectious and sort of "winning out," BUT does anything prevent people from being infected with more than one strain at a time?
 
Lilibet said:
My 84 year old cousin described her 2020 travels in her annual letter. She lives on the east coast and has a summer cottage in New England. She traveled there twice by car for a couple of weeks each time, when I happen to know the state required a two week quarantine. She never mentioned quarantining. Friends went with her the first time and family visited the second time. She visited quite a few friends on the way home and attended a highschool reunion! She is currently taking an art class locally. SMH

She’s very smart, has a masters degree in biology and is definitely not a Covid-hoaxer or anti-masker. Am I missing something here? I’m ten years younger and I’ve been holed up since March and will continue even after getting the vaccine until Dr Fauci says I can emerge safely. Even though I believe my choices are wise, I feel a little envious of what seems to be her YOLO casual attitude. We aren’t close enough to discuss it, so it will remain a mystery.
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I think that if you are going to your own second home, that is not per se more dangerous than staying home, IMHO. Not sure what her friends or family did there or if they distanced. Reunion sounds like a big gathering, but she is 84, so how many of her former classmates were attending? was it outdoors? I don't know.... and I do not know about the art class. The only classes I have seen lately are on line. I also have to say that I thought people were a little rough on Dr. Birx who also went to a home(s) she owned with less than 10 people. In some instances (apparently not in your cousin's!) if a person's parents or other relatives are in their 80's someone may actually need to check on them to see if they are still functioning / need anything/ are starving themselves or really in need of help, etc., etc., so while authorities are saying "do not have big parties," I think that some people do have to see their relatives, albeit they may need to socially distance and take precautions. I said in a prior post that people's individual perceptions of risk vary greatly!
 
Colorado303 said:
I’m behind and apologize if this has already been addressed. Today Mr co303 got a call from the hospital where he volunteers w/our therapy dog saying he could come in today and get the vaccine. He’s very high risk so while it might not be fair it’s available to him now I’m relieved he has access to it.

I’m high risk too but it will probably be months before I can get the vaccine. Once he gets his second shot, will it be safe for him to go out, live a normal life (while wearing a mask) and come back to the house or is there risk he could bring the virus home with him?

Somehow I assumed we’d both get the vaccine at the same time. Being cooped up is bothering him at least as much if not more than me and I don’t want him to isolate unnecessarily but I don’t want to catch the virus either after self-isolating for most of the year.

We have a rental property that’s currently vacant. Should one of us go stay there until I can be vaccinated too?

Also, the hospital will understandably want him to bring the therapy dog in for visits. Is that safe for the dog, and if she does go for visits do I need to stay away from her until I’m vaccinated?
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know of a radiologist living with an 80+ father- when he comes home from work, he undresses, showers, launders his clothing, changes, every time he comes home. Neither he nor the elderly father have gotten sick and the hospital he works in has COVID patients .... so, maybe possibly OK with precautions....? him and the therapy dog in the shower.... can they take precautions every single time? Also, any chance they will vaccinate you too?
 
IceIce9 said:
The hospital I work for expressly forbid any holiday parties, get togethers, gatherings, and sent out several sternly worded emails and notices.

Last week I was working in a different clinic for two days, just helping out. All of the nurses were planning an unofficial get together at a local bar/ restaurant after they got off work. Wink wink, lol lol. They said they were all just going to show up individually, by chance, and be super surprised to see all their coworkers had decided to stop by there at the same time :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Well, five days later three of the nurses tested positive for COVID and a few others are sick and awaiting results. A representative from employee health stopped at the clinic to interview the other nurses, attempting to track down the source.
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amazes me that these people work together every day- no illness transmission.... one night in a bar- no masks, close conversation, whatever.... boom- infection.
 
acutename said:
amazes me that these people work together every day- no illness transmission.... one night in a bar- no masks, close conversation, whatever.... boom- infection.
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In the clinic they wear hazmat gear, and sit in separate rooms. In the bar they were sitting together without masks, gowns, face shields, and double gloves.
 
acutename said:
I think that if you are going to your own second home, that is not per se more dangerous than staying home, IMHO. Not sure what her friends or family did there or if they distanced. Reunion sounds like a big gathering, but she is 84, so how many of her former classmates were attending? was it outdoors? I don't know.... and I do not know about the art class. The only classes I have seen lately are on line. I also have to say that I thought people were a little rough on Dr. Birx who also went to a home(s) she owned with less than 10 people. In some instances (apparently not in your cousin's!) if a person's parents or other relatives are in their 80's someone may actually need to check on them to see if they are still functioning / need anything/ are starving themselves or really in need of help, etc., etc., so while authorities are saying "do not have big parties," I think that some people do have to see their relatives, albeit they may need to socially distance and take precautions. I said in a prior post that people's individual perceptions of risk vary greatly!
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The friends all rode in the same car as my cousin. The way I see it is that each person’s “Bubble” is overlapping, so you are actually in contact with more than just one person. It’s not a large cottage, so I don’t imagine distancing and masks were in effect, since the masks weren’t shown in travel pictures. And obviously it’s her choice and that of whatever friends she visited to decide what they are comfortable with, which is why I would never say anything to her about it. My personal assessment of my level of risk is...if I do this and end up with Covid because I let down my guard, was it worth it? Nope!
 
Thanks black widow. We're just opening, closing, repeatedly. Last time open lasted 17 hours, then closed again. We are in California. Getting hard to round up employees when we can open, as there is little to no advance warning.
This morning we were awakened to spot lights shining in our windows at 4:10 am with the sheriff's car driving up and down our telling us to vacate. Fire.
We didn't evacuate, but my car is ready to go. Firefighters made some progress today, but the winds are howling and blowing our direction.
It's going to be a long restless night.
P.S. I asked my husband, what next? Locusts?

Just stopping in to say I Hate this curse of a virus.
I don't disdain it. I don't dislike it... I absolutely HATE this virus!
That's it. I hope all of you are safe as our entire world is in an uproar.
Black Widow said:
I’m glad to see you back Kali. I was wondering and worrying about you and hoping you were safe.
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KALI said:
Thanks black widow. We're just opening, closing, repeatedly. Last time open lasted 17 hours, then closed again. We are in California. Getting hard to round up employees when we can open, as there is little to no advance warning.
This morning we were awakened to spot lights shining in our windows at 4:10 am with the sheriff's car driving up and down our telling us to vacate. Fire.
We didn't evacuate, but my car is ready to go. Firefighters made some progress today, but the winds are howling and blowing our direction.
It's going to be a long restless night.
P.S. I asked my husband, what next? Locusts?

Just stopping in to say I Hate this curse of a virus.
I don't disdain it. I don't dislike it... I absolutely HATE this virus!
That's it. I hope all of you are safe as our entire world is in an uproar.
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A person who knowingly went to work while sick likely led to the COVID-19 deaths of 7 people and forced more than 300 people into quarantine, health officials say

Officials referred to the person's decision to go to work as a "superspreader action" - a take on the term "superspreader event"

What life in 2021 will look like
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Positivity Rates By State:
 

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OMG,,,,Kali, now you are in the path of wildfire too? I don’t even know what to say. I’m gob smacked. You just seem to be getting hit from all angles. Hang in there! This just HAS to get better. We all hate this virus...from what it’s doing to each of us and each other. Another poster who brought me to tears the other day was Sassy ( something like that). She too is being hit hard and sounded just so exhausted. It’s one sad world right now.
 
Cool Cats said:
A person who knowingly went to work while sick likely led to the COVID-19 deaths of 7 people and forced more than 300 people into quarantine, health officials say

Officials referred to the person's decision to go to work as a "superspreader action" - a take on the term "superspreader event"

What life in 2021 will look like
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Positivity Rates By State:
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I wonder if they knew they had COVID or symptoms of? Ugh. I have heard of people who went to work because they have no benefits or sick time and need the money and are possibly positive. Nightmare situation though and just goes to show you how 1 person can infect sooo many!
 
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