Coronavirus Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV

[Tadpole12]

Mang!
The glitch, again.

The BBC news on the telley,
and the Daily Telegraph is described as a quality paper?

 

[KALI]

That stinks. $60,000. To the Australian government is like pennies. But $1,000.00 to each person may feel like $20,000.00. They're going to be without work and probably income.
Hoping they get enough backlash that they back down and just do this gratis for their tax paying citizens!

The government is working to get more than 600 Australian citizens out of the coronavirus epicentre in China, but it has now been revealed evacuees will have to pay for the trip.

The aim of the “humanitarian” mission is to get people home and into quarantine on Christmas Island and shield mainland Australians at the same time.

Evacuees have informed the publication they will have to pay $1000 and sign a waiver agreeing to be quarantined on Christmas Island for two weeks.
Aussies to pay $1000 to evacuate Wuhan

 

[dixiegirl1035]

That stinks. $60,000. To the Australian government is like pennies. But $1,000.00 to each person may feel like $20,000.00. They're going to be without work and probably income.
Hoping they get enough backlash that they back down and just do this gratis for their tax paying citizens!

My guess is that as of today, when the WHO changed the status, that will allow the governments all over to fund for the evacuations vs. asking folks to pay for themselves. For many countries, that declaration is what was needed and frees up government funds for such.

We'll see.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Mang!
The glitch, again.

The BBC news on the telley,
and the Daily Telegraph is described as a quality paper?

Thanks! I'm not familiar with the Daily Telegraph, but BBC is one I follow for sure as to news stories. I just did a quickie as to one of the latest from Daily Telegraph, and will follow for this. Muccccccccccccch different from the Mirror/Sun and Daily mail MOO

Coronavirus: Britons brought back from Wuhan will be quarantined in NHS hospital on the Wirral

British nationals brought back from Wuhan this morning will be quarantined in NHS nursing accommodation in Merseyside for two weeks.

Around 150 Britons who signed contracts agreeing to be placed in “assisted isolation” are due to arrive at RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire this morning.

The group were due to leave Wuhan on a flight chartered from a Spanish company, which will have military medics on board.

The group will then be taken by bus to the Wirral, in Merseyside, where they will be housed in staff accommodation, at Arrowe Park Hospital.

Passengers were only allowed to travel to the UK if they signed a contract agreeing to stay in quarantine throughout the period.

 

[dotr]

Jan 30, 2020
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent...eave-wuhan-despite-coronavirus-risk-1.5445763
''A Canadian teacher living in Wuhan, China at the centre of the coronavirus outbreak says he won't be boarding a government plane to fly people back to Canada.

Wayne Duplessis, who lives in Wuhan with his wife and two sons, says he isn't confident that safety measures around travel can adequately protect against infection.''

Why don't you want to get on a plane out of Wuhan, back to Canada?

My concern is about the nature of this virus. The fact that there's a 14-day incubation period, that we don't know if we are carrying it. We may be asymptomatic for a very long time ... so there is the chance that we could unwittingly infect someone else. You're in a pressurized environment with recycled air.

It's not that we don't want to go. We would certainly like to leave, if the safety measures were in place. ''
ETA Wondering about the "steps'' needed to be taken and why others do not seem to have to'' climb'' them? imo, speculation.rbbm
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-coronavirus-airlift-china-1.5446204
''Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said today there is no firm timeline yet for an airlift to bring Canadians home from the coronavirus-affected area of China — just as the World Health Organization (WHO) was declaring a global health emergency.

Speaking to reporters at an event in Brampton, Ont. to promote the new North American trade deal, Trudeau said the government is working with international partners and considering WHO recommendations to develop a repatriation plan.

He said the government is doing "everything we can to support those families, to secure their return to Canada."

"There are a number of steps to go through with Chinese authorities and Canadian consular officials in China," he added. "We will keep you posted as soon as we have a little more clarity around what the date could be. But we are looking first and foremost at ensuring the safety of Canadians in China and the safety of Canadians back here at home as well."

 

[Hatfield]

That stinks. $60,000. To the Australian government is like pennies. But $1,000.00 to each person may feel like $20,000.00. They're going to be without work and probably income.
Hoping they get enough backlash that they back down and just do this gratis for their tax paying citizens!

I agree that its small enough amount that each Government really should subsidize and pay the total cost for its people's evacuation. Just seems like the right thing to do.

btw-I think its 600K (600 people X $1000 each), but still, its small enough amount for a Government not to charge any of its citizens during a crisis like this.

The thing that sounds hard is getting the people that want to evacuate from wherever they are holing up and trying to get them to the airport to meet an arranged flight. From some reports, it sounds like there is not much transportation opportunity like trains, buses, etc happening within the locked down cities.

I hope any Government that does an evacuation has a way to contact their citizens directly and arrange to get someone to pick them up to take them to the designated airport area. If each person has to arrange travel to the airport on their own, it could be difficult for the person to do that.

 

[Pi Thoughts]

That stinks. $60,000. To the Australian government is like pennies. But $1,000.00 to each person may feel like $20,000.00. They're going to be without work and probably income.
Hoping they get enough backlash that they back down and just do this gratis for their tax paying citizens!

I haven’t seen much backlash from fellow Aussies about the $1,000 contribution yet. I’ll report back as this unfolds. It’s early Friday morning in Australia atm and I’m just off for the day visiting my elderly Dad.

 

[Alyce]

 

[margarita25]

Coronavirus news and live updates: Wuhan virus cases top 8,000 as countries step up evacuation efforts - CNN

“The World Health Organization has declared the novel coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency of international concern, after an emergency committee reconvened Thursday in Geneva.

Last week, the organization said the virus did not yet constitute the emergency declaration. But with rising numbers and evidence of person-to-person transmission in a handful of cases outside of China, WHO leadership called the committee back together due to the “potential for a much larger outbreak,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters earlier this week.

WHO defines a public health emergency of international concern as “an extraordinary event” that constitutes a “public health risk to other States through the international spread of disease” and “to potentially require a coordinated international response.” Previous emergencies have included Ebola, Zika and H1N1.”

 

[margarita25]

Go online has story about 7000 detained on a cruise ship whil two are tested.

Are you serious? OMG.

Now this is beyond heart-breaking.
Disabled teenager in China dies at home alone after relatives quarantined
''A 17-year-old boy with cerebral palsy from a rural village in China’s Hubei province has died because his relatives were unable to care for him after being quarantined as a result of the coronavirus outbreak, the state-run Beijing Youth Daily newspaper has reported.

Government officials from Hong’an County, 60 miles north of the provincial capital, Wuhan, where the outbreak first started, have launched an investigation into the death, said the report, which was picked up by other local media.

The boy, Yan Cheng, was found dead in his bed on Wednesday, six days after his father and his 11-year-old brother were taken from their home and quarantined at a facility 15 miles to the south. Both had developed a fever and were suspected of having the virus. Yan Cheng was left alone at home.

Unable to get out of quarantine, his father posted messages asking for help on the social media platform Weibo. Village officials reportedly visited Yan but fed him only twice over the six-day period.

A group called Rice and Millet, founded by a former state-media journalist and focused on children with cerebral palsy and other illnesses, posted photos of the boy in a wheelchair and in bed on Wechat.''

This thread is horrific.

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BBM / Marking:

Hope of vaccine by early Summer,
(although predictive model indicates 150, 000 infected per day in China by May.)

Reference:

This article has a short video at the bottom of the page with a BBC journalist who's currently in Beijing talking about the situation there.

Coronavirus cases confirmed in all Chinese regions

 

[Amonet]

Me too.
I have a few questions if anyone knows.

Once they develop a vaccine.....

Is a vaccine the type of medicine that one must take in advance as a precaution and would prevent the person from ever catching it ever in the future?

Does a vaccine help people that are already diagnosed with the Coronavirus or is it too late for those affected to take the vaccine?

I think where I was headed with these questions is even if a vaccine is created, if every single person does not get the vaccine, then does that mean that this Coronavirus could still spread to people that dont get immunized?

Similar to how people are still getting Measles because some people refuse or dont have access to get the Measles vaccine like in 3rd worlds countries with not much medical support or medicines.

It will take a while to ramp up production. What they'll likely to at first is to vaccinate the close contacts of anyone who has tested positive, and that would include vaccinating health staff working directly with patients confirmed to have the coronavirus.

At the moment, about 20 million units of vaccine could stop the virus almost completely. That would cover Wuhan and ring vaccination outside of Hubei province. Not sure of the total people in Hubei, and it would be preferable imho to have complete coverage vaccination within Hubei and ring vaccination outside Hubei.

But that might change by the time a vaccine is available. The quarantine in Wuhan/Hubei might work well enough to be able to apply ring vaccination methods there, or other provinces might end up overwhelmed and unable to keep up with current ring containment efforts. We need to hope for the former, and I guess it's 50/50 as to which will be the actual outcome.

 

[mickey2942]

Interesting, 4500 cases, on January 17. 8000 cases on January 30. Thirteen days, almost doubled.

The United States isn't ready for this type of disaster.

 

[Tadpole12]

Indian government slammed for recommending homeopathy for coronavirus prevention

Indian government slammed for recommending homeopathy for coronavirus prevention
January 30, 2020

"TORONTO -- India’s government has been roundly criticized for recommending homeopathy to prevent coronavirus infection.

The government’s Twitter account posted a coronavirus advisory on Wednesday, Jan 29., recommending popular alternative medicines for the prevention and management of the lethal new virus.

Homeopathy, Unani and Ayurveda are all alternative medical practices popular in India, but have not undergone clinical trials and their efficacy has not been scientifically proven."

 

[Amonet]

Just saw an interesting question in the comments of another site.

The person was asking about the mortality rate and we were told so far it is a really small mortality rate as compared to total confirmed cases, but if they are keeping track of all the confirmed cases till either a person recovers or dies, then when we look at just the recovered VS dead, the mortality rate seems much higher.

Right now from the link below the total number of dead = 171

Total number of recovered = 143

If those are the only two results (either recovered or dead), then why wouldnt the Mortality Rate be more like 50% mortality rate?

The only thing I can think of is of the 8,235 confirmed cases right now, some people must be recovering and are not tracked till the end or maybe they are still sick ?

It does seem like people get really sick from this so maybe it takes a long time to get well so maybe they are still monitoring a lot of the 8,000 people.

IMO, I think getting this virus would be really bad just from being sick with it, even if you dont perish. It sounds pretty bad and from some of the pictures of the ill in the hospital some of them look very ill so getting sick with it seems pretty bad to me.

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You'd be massively undercounting cases if you were to go only by the currently confirmed and recovered numbers vs confirmed deaths.

Not everyone is getting so sick that they'll look extremely poorly in hospital or need hospitalization and respiratory care. You're looking at the very worst cases....you can't generalize from them as if they are average cases.

*ETA what I mean by that is that the current 'recovered' figures don't include all the non-diagnosed figures or the figures for those who have been diagnosed but will go on to recover. So that would not be a good indication of the actual mortality rate.

 

[Bravo]

I'm all caught up. Thanks for keeping the thread going. All business as usual at our local Hospital. Folks triage in Emerg for any signs or symptoms. For now.

 

[Amonet]

The Johns Hopkins map now includes a section for 'recovered' cases detailed by region.

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[Bravo]

More Chinese push to end wildlife markets as coronavirus outbreak grows

 

[mickey2942]

More Chinese push to end wildlife markets as coronavirus outbreak grows

Honestly, I am not sure that this is where the virus came from. This is the "story", but I wonder if this originated from a lab.

 

[Trino]

Well, here we go... not me. I'm not doing what's required...

An American who flew out of China on a chartered flight tried to leave a Southern California military base where authorities have been monitoring nearly 200 people for coronavirus symptoms, health officials said.

US coronavirus: An American who was evacuated from Wuhan tried to leave base - CNN

 

[Bravo]

I cant help but wonder why the hold up getting Canadians out. Other Country's seem to be implementing plans. Yet no word of even a concrete plan. Canada's relationship with China has not been "stellar" as of late. How shocking that a Country with a Dictatorship would possibly be the cause of such a delay. Not! That's all i got on the matter without breaking TOS.