Corruption? Contra Costa County

[time]

Thanks Nora ... I have read quite a bit on that site and it is very good. I wish every case had such thorough coverage. It is also where the info is on the Antioch Fire Chief. I know the other murders were adult women, maybe my post wasn't clear because of the way it was phrased or that I emphasized child sexual abuse and missing/dead children cases that are unsolved.

 

[SunnieRN]

Well, I honestly have a difficult time believing that was a hoax and here is why.

It would be an incredible coincidence that only 10 months after Jaycee disappeared that someone in that area actually reported seeing a girl that fit her description only 2 miles from where she was being held captive AND with someone in a van that fit the van's description. I think the van is somewhat unusual being a distinct body (Dodge) and color (Yellow). Additionally, since Garrido doesn't exactly live close to where Jaycee was kidnapped, this would make it even more of an incredible coincidence that this was a hoax. Are you saying the caller just happened to get lucky and Jaycee WAS actually only two miles away and they just got lucky on the make and color of the vehicle?

I think it's entirely possible though that someone had seen Jaycee somewhere other than the gas station or knew exactly who she was with. That would have to be someone who could connect her with that van. That could be someone like Nancy, an acquaintance of Garrido's, a family member, or a neighbor. I wonder if they kept or passed on a recording of the 911 call or what the notes on that say.

One thing that would make me think otherwise is if Garrido didn't have that van back then. I suspect this is not true. While the El Dorado Sheriff's office was flooded with tips about Jaycee... how many were the CCC Sheriff's office getting and what were they if they did get some?

I think there is really no reason for the CCC Sheriff's office to NOT release those records. If there is nothing damning in them, then this would be to their benefit. I can see no reason they need to withhold those due to the ongoing investigation of Garrido. I think it's suspect that they have cut off all conversation about this and arrogant (in my eyes).

I do wonder if an open records request would either get access to those records or force them into giving some specific reason and valid for withholding them.

I don't necessarily think Jaycee would remember. She could have been drugged or in a state where her world was filled with all kinds of strange stuff. On the other hand, it could have been like I said and she wasn't ever at the gas station, but the call was still made.

I think it is further suspect precisely because Michael Cardoza made the media circuit rounds claiming some unknown source said that Jaycee was held in complete isolation for 3 1/2 years. Talk about media leaks or planned media leaks??? One has to wonder.

Great post!!! Also a great theory on someone who wanted to report Jaycee, but didn't feel as if they could, trying to find a way to do so!!! At least nancy or patricia would not be able to use that as part of their defense. It being a male caller!

 

[time]

Great post!!! Also a great theory on someone who wanted to report Jaycee, but didn't feel as if they could, trying to find a way to do so!!! At least nancy or patricia would not be able to use that as part of their defense. It being a male caller!

Yes, if it was definitely a male neither her nor Patricia could claim it was them.

 

[Natal]

Well, I honestly have a difficult time believing that was a hoax and here is why.

The facts as we know them are:
(1) The tip caller was never found
(2) Jaycee did not recall it happening
(3) Jaycee alledgedly never left the backyard in the first 3.5 years
That suggests the tip was false.

Here is an alternative possibility, perhaps someone more closely associated with the case (ie someone in the Garrido household) had a twinge of doubt and planted a seed they thought might lead to PGs capture and end it all? That could account for the location and vehicle description, and the fact that the tipster dissappeared.

 

[time]

And, who is it that said she never left the backyard for 3.5 years?

 

[Natal]

It couldn't be a neighbor, since they would call directly, unless they didnt want to be directly involved (a possibility). But then why not push the issue when the call failed to have the desired results? Perhaps a neighbor who got a glimpse of Jaycee at the house, but wasn't sure so didnt want call in directly and instead did it by proxy hoping that the tip would lead to PG anyway. And then didnt see the girl again and assumed it has a mistake or that the police had investigated and found nothing.

If it was an inside job, and a male, that would leave PG himself. Alternatively, some trusted friend of Nancy or Patricia making a call on their behalf but not knowing the full reasoning behind the request?

 

[time]

Also, Jaycee could have been going through massive brainwashing the first couple of years... not long after that she then becomes pregnant. And, maybe it happened and she simply doesn't remember it. Maybe Garrido also did abduct another girl that looked very similar to Jaycee. I can't believe a hoaxster pulled a huge coincidence out of their hat and just came up with a Yellow Doge van to claim either. The real point here is what was done when the sighting was reported.

 

[time]

Maybe PG is just sick enough he did it himself. I think it was a real call in the sense that someone called who knew there was a girl that looked like Jaycee connected to that Yellow Dodge van and they knew she wasn't supposed to be with Garrido.

 

[SunnieRN]

The facts as we know them are:
(1) The tip caller was never found
(2) Jaycee did not recall it happening
(3) Jaycee alledgedly never left the backyard in the first 3.5 years
That suggests the tip was false.

Here is an alternative possibility, perhaps someone more closely associated with the case (ie someone in the Garrido household) had a twinge of doubt and planted a seed they thought might lead to PGs capture and end it all? That could account for the location and vehicle description, and the fact that the tipster dissappeared.

So in other words, you agree with Time and her theory posted above this post?

Maybe PG is just sick enough he did it himself. I think it was a real call in the sense that someone called who knew there was a girl that looked like Jaycee connected to that Yellow Dodge van and they knew she wasn't supposed to be with Garrido.

I brought this up on a thread and people didn't think that was possible. I think it would have been the perfect way to break Jaycee down one more notch.

Also I am not surprised that something like this wouldn't be remembered by Jaycee. After the horrors she had been undergoing this would be a trivial thing!

Do I believe the tip was real? Yes. Do I tink it was a random stranger? A lot wierder things have occured on this planet, but imho pg had motive to do this himself.

 

[time]

And, who is it that said she never left the backyard for 3.5 years?

Just so this is not missed - I am pretty sure that the 3.5 years came from Michael Cardoza and that this wasn't verified as a fact nor was it revealed where he got his information although it was inferred it could have come from Nancy - but who would have any information from Nancy like this. :waitasec: I posted quite a bit about this and that he might even have ulterior motives.

 

[gpc]

Great post!!! Also a great theory on someone who wanted to report Jaycee, but didn't feel as if they could, trying to find a way to do so!!! At least nancy or patricia would not be able to use that as part of their defense. It being a male caller!

Could it have been PG's brother Ron? I find it hard to believe he didn't know anything all those years. Did he never visit his mother in that house? How far away did he live from there?

 

[my2sisters]

Could it have been PG's brother Ron? I find it hard to believe he didn't know anything all those years. Did he never visit his mother in that house? How far away did he live from there?

In one of the news reports they showed Ron meeting LE at Garrido house and said he was interviewed for several hours. Nothing more came of it. He was driving a rather new SUV and it was reported that he lives in Brentwood.

 

[my2sisters]

Just so this is not missed - I am pretty sure that the 3.5 years came from Michael Cardoza and that this wasn't verified as a fact nor was it revealed where he got his information although it was inferred it could have come from Nancy - but who would have any information from Nancy like this. :waitasec: I posted quite a bit about this and that he might even have ulterior motives.

I agree, it's very strange that Cardoza and not Jimmy Lee would make this public. I think you're right and SO is trying to cover-up for the missed opportunity in 1992 by saying she hadn't left the property in 3.5 years. I've looked and can't find any reference to that prior to Cardoza saying it.

 

[time]

I know I've said this somewhere, but I am also upset that Cardoza has seemingly made the rounds on TV with this same stuff. I don't think he should even be commenting on Jaycee's case right now because he is co-counsel representing the CCC Sex Crimes Prosecutor, Michael Gresset, who is being charged with a fairly violent and demented rape of a female prosecutor. I believe Cardoza also has strong connections with a CCC Judge, Judge Barbara Zuniga and that she is still listed on a professional ad page as working for his firm. I have basically confirmed it is the same Barbara Zuniga although I can't confirm she is working also as an attorney for him. I think Cardoza has a conflict of interest (or several). Cardoza should not be doing legal TV and news commentating on anything in CCC except his case, but it seems particularly distasteful to me that he is commenting on Jaycee's case. His co-counsel is also getting out of hand charging those prosecuting Gressett with Stalin-like behavior and that the woman is claiming the rape as a political ploy. They also tried to force her to testify and thereby reveal her name publicly and before trial. Who would claim this if they can really make a case that Gresset is not guilty? I really object to this kind of sensationalization and trying to effect peoples attitudes about the case this way, trying to work some people into a frenzy any way they can. Sad.

 

[songline]

I have tried really hard to understand how in the world there can be 18 years of missed opportunities.
I have tried really hard to understand how one area can be so lax about protecting our children.
I begun to look in many directions. The fact that our government can possibly be involved in harming our children just jumped out at me. I have a very hard time in understanding this. While I am aware that our government is influenced by secret societies This is really hard for me to wrap my head around. PG got out of jail way too soon...
something is not right here at all..18 Years? nobody saw anything.....:waitasec:
These 3 tapes blow me away.
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU6GqERbQsE&feature=related"]YouTube - pedophile ring ran by rich white men[/ame]

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[time]

September 1998

8 - Duanne Dee Shoemake, Antioch fire captain, arrested on suspicion of repeatedly molesting two young girls.

(from Journalism.Berkeley)


Deal Is Reported In Lisa Norrell Case - Key evidence in November slaying

Charlie Goodyear, San Francisco Chronicle
03/23/99

Captain Duanne Shoemake, 57, was arrested in September on suspicion of repeatedly molesting two girls. But his case was dismissed in January at the request of the Contra Costa district attorney's office, even though a judge had already ruled there was enough evidence to hold him for trial and add a sixth molestation count.

Prosecutors waited almost two months before disclosing the deal to the mother of one of the girls, who now wants to know how good Shoemake's information is and why an arrest still has not been made in Lisa's case.

``They couldn't tell us why,'' said the mother, who is not being named by The Chronicle to protect her daughter's identity. ``They told us an arrest would be made soon. I had hoped that something good might at least come from this for the Norrell family, but nothing's happened.''

Two weeks ago, prosecutors called the girls' families to a meeting in Martinez and explained that they were not going to file felony molestation charges against Shoemake in Contra Costa Superior Court.

``They said that Duanne gave them some information,'' the mother said. ``They said it was on a major case, and that he turned up more stuff in three hours than they had gotten in the last month.''

Authorities have released few details of the investigation into the death of Lisa -- the first of four young women found slain in Pittsburg from November to early January. Yesterday, police arrested a former boyfriend of one of the women in her killing. ...

Court records show that charges were dismissed against Shoemake on January 11.

And when the mother discussed with prosecutors Shoemake's family connection to Heneby, Deputy District Attorney Brian Haynes said, ``I think you're on to us,'' she recalled.

Asked about the dismissal, Haynes declined to comment. So did Chief Deputy District Attorney Robert Kochly, who conceded, ``We're in a delicate position here.''

And police will not discuss Shoemake's role in Lisa's case, citing an open investigation.

Shoemake's attorney, Patrick Clancy, said his client is vacationing in Puerto Rico and is unavailable for comment. Clancy would not say why prosecutors decided to drop the case against him.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1999/03/23/MN83006.DTL


Molest Lawsuit Filed Against Ex-Fire Captain

Charlie Goodyear, San Francisco Chronicle
07/02/99

The lawsuit, filed in Contra Costa Superior Court Wednesday, accuses Duanne Shoemake of molesting the two girls, starting in 1994 when they were both 10 years old. The abuse continued for several years, with one of the girls reporting it to Shoemake's wife, Linda Shoemake in 1995 or 1996, the lawsuit stated.

In June 1998, the other girl also reported the abuse to Linda Shoemake, who allegedly then urged her to change her story and never told the girl's family about the accusations. The girl later attempted suicide, according to the lawsuit. Duanne Shoemake was arrested and charged with the crimes last year.

The plaintiffs -- who are not being named by The Chronicle to protect the identities of the girls -- decided to file their lawsuit after the Contra Costa district attorney's office asked a judge in January to dismiss the criminal charges against Duanne Shoemake.

Prosecutors told the families that they were dropping the charges because Shoemake, 55, had important information about the November murder of 15-year-old Lisa Norrell of Pittsburg.

Two men were arrested in that case, including David Heneby, who is married to Shoemake's niece. But a day after the arrests in the murder case, prosecutors said they did not have enough evidence to charge either man with Lisa's slaying.

Although the charges were dropped against Heneby, the following week the prosecution dismissed the molest case against Shoemake.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1999/07/02/MN10656.DTL#ixzz0Va2uDZSc


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1999/07/02/MN10656.DTL

 

[my2sisters]

There's definitely a history of cover-up. I think the walls are about to come tumbling down!

 

[time]

There's definitely a history of cover-up. I think the walls are about to come tumbling down!

Don't know yet where this lawsuit went either.

 

[SunnieRN]

Don't know yet where this lawsuit went either.

I have a feeling that the families were paid to drop the suit and that a gag order was put in place. Otherwise I think there would have been a LOT more publicity!!

 

[time]

I can't find anything so far about the lawsuit against Duanne Shoemake for child molestation.

I did find this though which raises questions:

Thurs, Jan. 7 ,1999
www.sfgate.com/e/a/1999/01/07/NEWS3544.dtl

Police believe Norrell was killed not far from where one of her shoes was found shortly after she disappeared, alongside Highway 4 in Antioch. Her body was discovered
Nov. 14 by police dogs at a nearby landscape supply yard.

Zbacnik said a telephone call that "was really more than just a tip" in late November led police to Walton and Heneby, who were placed under surveillance in mid-December.

Sixty-one Pittsburg police had participated in the search for Norrell's killers, and most of them were involved in Wednesday's arrest, Zbacnik said. Search warrants sent investigating officers to locations in Oakley and Antioch and resulted in the impounding of two vehicles, which were being examined for evidence.

The affidavits that formed the basis for issuing the warrants won't be made public for about 10 days, said Zbacnik, who noted that the two defendants probably would
make their first court appearances in this case Friday.

It appears there are only two people who could have given that tip. One is Duanne Shoemake (he could have been in jail at the time, but then again, do we really know if the tip was 'called' in) and the other is his sister-in-law. I believe his sister-in-law claims she gave Shoemake the information about one of the suspects.

This article was written on the 7th and they have already dismissed charges against Shoemake by January 11. So if the tip was given in Nov and these suspects were thoroughly investigated what exactly was the point of releasing Shoemake for child molestation charges? Maybe I am confused on the facts as this all seems twisted, but per the article above...

Two men were arrested in that case, including David Heneby, who is married to Shoemake's niece. But a day after the arrests in the murder case, prosecutors said they did not have enough evidence to charge either man with Lisa's slaying.

Although the charges were dropped against Heneby, the following week the prosecution dismissed the molest case against Shoemake.