Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #12 *ARRESTS*

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aaron44 said:
Hello. 1st time caller on WS. I have been tracking this thread. Very interesting. I want to join in to add MOO and some background.

I grew up a townie in NC, 3rd generation on the lower east side of town where every mailbox ended in a vowel. Went to Center School and spent my childhood bicycling all over town, Mead Park, Waveny Park, the “Ridges”. Frogtown Road and Brushy Ridge were a thrill, very steep, narrow and windy. Had Little League practices at the fields at the Country Day School off of Frogtown/Ponus Ridge. Moved away with my family 20 years ago. The town character changed with all the influx of new money and the “McMansions”. If you get the chance, watch the movie “Ice Storm”. Ang Lee directed with Sigourney Weaver, Kevin Kline, Joan Allen, Tobey MaGuire. Spot on about life in New Canaan in the 70’s.

I am struggling with the fact that if FD was involved, how was he able to do this without an accomplice. I can’t see FD having initial contact with JD at the Welles home after she dropped off the kids. How could he have overtaken her, moved her car to Lapham Road and got back to Welles or vice versa. I use to walk the train tracks between Talmadge Hill and Mead Park to Elm St. The quickest route for me would have been to go through the woods on the south side of Lapham to the train tracks, walk and cut through the woods to Weed St near Indian Waters Drive. Walk to the end and cut through the woods to the back yard of JD’s home on Welles. This way he didn’t have to risk being seen on Weed St or Frogtown Rd passing by the nursery. Also, I don’t think FD had the time to do all this.

IMO, JD went to the Waveny Park Trails off Lapham Rd to go walking/jogging after dropping off the kids at school before heading to NYC for her appointments. That’s why NCPD searched all of the trails from the entrance, along South Avenue and the Merritt Parkway as her cell phone pinged in those locations. FD abducted JD at her car at Lapham Rd, very remote, and took her back to Welles. He wanted the kids for the holiday weekend and was pissed as she had the nanny take them to New York to her mother GFs apartment. They argued and he attacked her in the garage.

The rest is how has he disposed of her. The house on Sturbridge, Pound Ridge, Farmington, anywhere in between, who knows. Tons of woods, lakes and remote areas. And tons of poison ivy. Disposing of stuff in Hartford would seem to fit this progression.

One last comment. FDs venture into New York after his confinement was minor. To get to New Canaan from Hartford he would have taken Rte 84 to Rte 7 south in Danbury to Rte 35 in Ridgefield to Rte 123 in Lewisboro, NY to New Canaan. This cuts across the corner of Lewisboro between Ridgefield, Wilton and New Canaan. Common route to take.

Interestingly there is still an unsolved murder in New Canaan from exactly 50 years ago to the week that JD was reported missing. Mary Mount, age 10 went missing next to her home near Kiwanis Park in late May 1969. She was found three weeks later by two high school kids fishing at South Norwalk Reservoir off of Old Huckleberry Road in Wilton, Ct. The “Wind Cries Mary” by Erika Grey is worth reading.
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Welcome, Aaron, I enjoyed your post.
 
spaz1959 said:
I'm just brain storming. I'm imaging that if FD was going to use any supplies to dispose of JD he would look no further than his construction sites. He doesn't want to make any purchases at the neighborhood Lowe's, so he uses what he has. Zip ties to bind her wrist and legs? Industrial Pain't cans? Or those large plastic ones I've seen on construction sites, that the workers mix mud for laying tiles, or for grouting tiles? You can even get a 55 gal metal container.This is for the disposal of JD. She could of been store in several of these and put on his truck. No one would look twice at these containers. If he dismember JD, yes there would have been blood evidence no matter how microscopic. So what would you wear to dismember your soon to be ex? Would you wear a one piece painter jump suit? Maybe your wetsuit? You certainly wouldn't buy anything, not even a new tool.
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Right on, spaz!
 
Will try to bring in more of the document here but here is partial document from the custody case that discussed JD/atty. for the second time attempting to get GAL Meehan removed from the case for his alleged mishandling of confidential reports such as the psych exam by giving them to FD/his atty at the time.

Wonder why Judge Heller didn't remove GAL Meehan previously so will have to try to dig out that motion and see. Wonder also if Judge Heller will continue to turn a 'blind eye' to GAL antics and his tendancy to give special access of confidential material to FD and his atty?

Good article from NYT about a woman in NY that is fighting back on Family Court State Appointed experts: Parent Complains, Then Tries to Change the System
 

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afitzy said:
Oh boy....No Case Norm is now making the case about him or he is simply attempting to counter much of the negative press his views have generated as he has been victim bashing at an alarming pace IMO...100% in favor of great personal mental health but to spend 4 mornings a week on the couch is quite a personal commitment IMO. Some interesting personal details about him that I haven't seen elsewhere.

From the article:
"The world hates Fotis Dulos just now. I was hated once, too. A drunken bully would berate me as I stood my ground, trying to bait me into a fight. I’d stand silent, keeping my cool, plotting vengeance. I thought of killing him, but decided leaving was better. My mother had made her choices; I had choices of my own to make, and a life ahead of me".

Norm Pattis explains how he defends Fotis Dulos and Alex Jones
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NP’s response to why he defends “the accused” makes me nauseous! You’re right, @Fitzy, he does make it about himself. His story is sad and disturbing, but I don’t see how he thinks it excuses him to defend low-life murders, like FD. Nor the guy who threw the baby off the bridge.

It’s too bad that he had a difficult childhood, but it doesn’t make me dislike him any less. As an adult, he is responsible for what he does and how he does it. Just because he was hurt, abused, and bullied as a child, does not excuse him from doing it to others.

It’s one thing to be a good defense attorney, but not to the point of harassing and bullying and lying about the victim and the victim’s family.

NP is right! I don’t understand him nor what he does and says. If he was expecting me, and others, to be sympathetic and to understand after he told us about his past.... then he really is a nut case and should probably up his psycho-analysis sessions to 7 days a week.

I could go on and on about how I'm even more disgusted now after reading what he wrote, how he tried to justify what he does, but I’ll stop for now.... before I really really really hate the guy.

MOO
 
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afitzy said:
Oh boy....No Case Norm is now making the case about him or he is simply attempting to counter much of the negative press his views have generated as he has been victim bashing at an alarming pace IMO...100% in favor of great personal mental health but to spend 4 mornings a week on the couch is quite a personal commitment IMO. Some interesting personal details about him that I haven't seen elsewhere.

From the article:
"The world hates Fotis Dulos just now. I was hated once, too. A drunken bully would berate me as I stood my ground, trying to bait me into a fight. I’d stand silent, keeping my cool, plotting vengeance. I thought of killing him, but decided leaving was better. My mother had made her choices; I had choices of my own to make, and a life ahead of me".

Norm Pattis explains how he defends Fotis Dulos and Alex Jones
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Did we ever doubt that Pattis was trying to beef up his future memoir/movie by taking FD's case?

I don't believe a tenth of what he said about his life since anyone who would float as much bull about his client would do the same about himself.

In his memoir I'm sure he'll produce characters to corroborate his garbage though it's convenient that he was alone for most of it.

Poor ole FD doesn't realize that winning for him is not the real goal here; it's adding content for Pattis.
 
peace9274 said:
NP’s response to why he defends “the accused” makes me nauseous! You’re right, @Fitzy, he does make it about himself. His story is sad and disturbing, but I don’t see how he thinks it excuses him to defend low-life murders, like FD. Nor the guy who threw the baby off the bridge.

It’s too bad that he had a difficult childhood, but it doesn’t make me dislike him any less. As an adult, he is responsible for what he does and how he does it. Just because he was hurt, abused, and bullied as a child, does not excuse him from doing it to others.

It’s one thing to be a good defense attorney, but not to the point of harassing and bullying and lying about the victim and the victim’s family.

NP is right! I don’t understand him nor what he does and says. If he was expecting me, and others, to be sympathetic and to understand after he told us about his past.... then he really is a nut case and should probably up his psycho-analysis sessions to 7 days a week.

I could go on and on about how I'm even more disgusted now after reading what he wrote, how he tried to justify what he does, but I’ll stop for now.... before I really really really hate the guy.

MOO
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Well said! I believe in innocent until proven guilty and fully understand the role of defense atty. But I think there are solid and honorable ways to vigorously defend the accused such as FD but sadly we haven't seen this from Atty Pattis IMO whose strategy has focused solely on victim shaming and using stolen court documents to defend his client. Shameful that the criminal court hasn't held No Case Norm to any resonable standard of professional conduct for the profession and its showing the weakness of the CT Judiciary system IMO. Terrible situation IMO that the Pattis show with the media just continues to taint the jury pool by confusing the public with unsubstatied statements.
 
Been thinking about GF and the rest of the family today as we saw the motion to halt the divorce proceedings in Family Court. I wonder if any of the atty's following have a POV on whether we will see the entire Custody question kicked down to Probate Court where GF initially made her case? Yesterday before all these recent filings the belief was that custody would be decided by Family Court, but now maybe Family Court won't be the proper venue for the decision?! Curious what @gitana1 might think on this question?
 
afitzy said:
Oh boy....No Case Norm is now making the case about him or he is simply attempting to counter much of the negative press his views have generated as he has been victim bashing at an alarming pace IMO...100% in favor of great personal mental health but to spend 4 mornings a week on the couch is quite a personal commitment IMO. Some interesting personal details about him that I haven't seen elsewhere.

From the article:
"The world hates Fotis Dulos just now. I was hated once, too. A drunken bully would berate me as I stood my ground, trying to bait me into a fight. I’d stand silent, keeping my cool, plotting vengeance. I thought of killing him, but decided leaving was better. My mother had made her choices; I had choices of my own to make, and a life ahead of me".

Norm Pattis explains how he defends Fotis Dulos and Alex Jones
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Interesting! So there is a part of NP that relates to revenge.
 
afitzy said:
Been thinking about GF and the rest of the family today as we saw the motion to halt the divorce proceedings in Family Court. I wonder if any of the atty's following have a POV on whether we will see the entire Custody question kicked down to Probate Court where GF initially made her case? Yesterday before all these recent filings the belief was that custody would be decided by Family Court, but now maybe Family Court won't be the proper venue for the decision?! Curious what @gitana1 might think on this question?
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Thank God for GF or these poor kids could have potentially been put into foster care. I read that her brother and his wife, Liz Claiborne, founded the company Liz Claiborne, so it would seem JD came from a family of incredible wealth along with her father's company which he had sold to Tradeweb. I saw a picture of the kids on Facebook and they are such a mix of JD and FD looks wise...beautiful.
 
Okay - found this case yesterday - and I believe I am all caught up! Here' what I put together - from update of Friday, 6/28 court hearing for Troconis.

Friday, June 28th:
*Motions Hearing (@ am ET) – CT – Jennifer Farber Dulos (50) (May 24, 2019, New Canaan) - *Fotis Dulos (51) arrested (6/2/19), charged (6/1/19) & arraigned (6/3/19) with tampering with or fabricating physical evidence & hindering prosecution. Plead not guilty. $500K bond. Posted bond (6/12/19). Bond conditions on any bond release. Must be posted at courthouse, passport must be surrendered & must submit to GPS monitoring.
6/3/19: Arraignment hearing. Prosecutor tells judge that State expects more charges to be filed in this case. 6/12/19: Bond hearing. Posted bond with conditions. Next pretrial hearing on 8/2.
Only for *Michelle Tronconis (44) (Dulos’ GF) arrested & charged (6/1/19) & arraigned (6/3/19) with tampering with or fabricating physical evidence & hindering prosecution. Plead not guilty. $500K bond. Posted bond (6/3/19). Bond conditions on any bond release. Must be posted at courthouse, passport must be surrendered & must submit to GPS monitoring.
6/3/19: Arraignment hearing. Prosecutor tells judge that State expects more charges to be filed in this case. Bond posted with conditions.
6/25/19 Update: Norm Pattis (Fotus laywer) says Troconis, who is scheduled to appear in court Friday, 6/28/19, can alibi Fotis Dulos if prosecutors drop the charges against her. “She was with him at the time Jennifer went missing,” Pattis told Hearst Connecticut Media this week. “We know where he was. Michelle knows where he was,” Pattis said. “Hopefully, they’ll release her, or hopefully, she’ll decide to testify.” But Troconis asked a judge to enter an order prohibiting Fotis Dulos or his lawyers “from having any contact whatsoever” with her in a motion filed Tuesday by her lawyer, Andrew Bowman. On video urveillance Dulos was seen tossing garbage bags into trash bins along a four-mile span, some of which were later determined to have his estranged wife’s blood on them, the warrants said. The video footage led to Dulos & Troconis being charged with evidence tampering and hindering prosecution. Both are free after posting $500K bonds on the charges. On Monday (6/24/19), Pattis filed a motion asking a judge to clarify the conditions of his release, saying Dulos “would like to explore the possibility of reunification with (Troconis) but is concerned such efforts may run afoul of court orders.” However, Troconis has asked a judge to let her travel out of state & bar Fotis Dulos from contacting her in a motion filed Tuesday (6/25/19) by her lawyer. A judge will hear Bowman’s request Friday (6/28/19) morning at state Superior Court in Stamford.
6/27/19 Update: On Thursday, Fotis Dulos' lawyer, Norman Pattis, said he wants the judge to drop all charges against Troconis so she can help Fotis Dulos in his defense.
6/28/19 Update: Today’s court is re 2 motions: 1. Asking if MT may leave the state for 2 weeks to visit her friend. 2. That FD & his Atty NP have no contact of any kind with MT. Andrew Bowman summarizes his position. Michelle Troconis wants to travel out of state June 30-July 17. She understands the gravity of the situation and has complied with everything so far. Probation says GPS bracelet would need to stay on and does work if she is staying in New York. State says if she leaves state she must stay on property where she is staying. “Like house arrest”. Judge grants permission for Michelle Troconis to travel out of state. She must provide address and name of person she is staying with. If GPS monitoring has any problems, she must immediately contact probation. And judge agreed to issue a no-contact order designed to keep Dulos & his attorney away from her. Next court date is July 18.



Now - If I have anything wrong - please let me know! And I'm good to go on the court site - I have access!! :)
Next post on a court hearing - the above will all be gone - just a link to this post. It's a bit on the long side.
 
aaron44 said:
Interestingly there is still an unsolved murder in New Canaan from exactly 50 years ago to the week that JD was reported missing. Mary Mount, age 10 went missing next to her home near Kiwanis Park in late May 1969. She was found three weeks later by two high school kids fishing at South Norwalk Reservoir off of Old Huckleberry Road in Wilton, Ct. The “Wind Cries Mary” by Erika Grey is worth reading.
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I stopped speaking lightly about living in New Canaan as a child when it became obvious to us JMHO that lovely JFD was brutally murdered by FD.

My family lived within sight of Kiwanis Park at the time Mary Mount disappeared. aaron44, afitzy, and Chessman now know I went to South Elementary, which borders Waveny Park.

aaron44, I've heard mixed reviews of that book, BTW, haven't read it.

LE is processing evidence.

With the holiday, we may need to be patient & not expect news until the 8th.

A re-arrest would be welcome, of course.

Thanks, Laughing
 
Can you help me understand two points in the court process that @Niner detailed above?
Why does it seem that NP is trying to plea bargain MT's charges down, isn't that her attorney's business. How can that even happen?
Why does that dismissal of charges against MT have to happen for her to testify and provide an alibi for him? Can't they just put her on the stand and question her?
 
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Alwaystyping said:
Welcome! If he did abduct her in the way you described, let’s hope LE found JD’s DNA in his car! (Or the red truck. Which I keep wanting to call the Bloodmobile. Trying to find levity in a very depressing situation...)
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I also think she may have been abducted at the park. I also wonder if there is a third unknown person involved. Then again, in a very public place, even if the abductor had a gun, I don't think she would comply without drawing attention. Then again, maybe nobody else around at the time to hear her scream? If there is a third person involved, I don't think he held up his end of the bargain and FD ended up doing more than he bargained for. He definitely wanted her to be thought of as being missing rather than deceased. A stranger would have left her body at the home and done any number of things to destroy DNA....bleach, set a fire. Okay. I think I've talked myself out of the park theory. If she was taken there, I don't think she would have been brought back to the home. She would have been taken somewhere else, IMO.
 
sds71 said:
175.86 06/28/2019 C ORDER
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What does this mean? GF's attorneys no longer want to represent her? What happens then?
Sorry if I am being obtuse...I had just imagined GF having a team of loyal representatives that would stick with her through thick and thin!!
 
Sconnie said:
What does this mean? GF's attorneys no longer want to represent her? What happens then?
Sorry if I am being obtuse...I had just imagined GF having a team of loyal representatives that would stick with her through thick and thin!!
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No, this order is about FD's attorney, John Clifford, seeking to withdraw. It's not about GF's attorneys. The court denied Mr. Clifford's motion, at least initially, on technical grounds -- because his motion to withdraw did not state whether trial and/or pre-trial was scheduled and if so, the dates.
 
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