Silver Alert CT- Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #4 *ARRESTS*

[citygirl]

IMO it will absolutely be contingent and no way will she do anything remotely close to substantial time.

She will either get immunity or probation or at the most, a couple months or so of time.

I wish it was contingent on actually finding a body. But there hasn't been a massive search in only one location. Right?

It makes me feel like either the deal fell through or she doesn't know where the body went or is lying about that.

This got me wondering about the narratives that prosecutors create for how murders happen, in their opening statements, when they have no hard evidence.

I never thought about it but now I wonder how many of those narratives stem from "hypotheticals" discussed between counsel during plea negotiations that go nowhere.

BBM.
I have a hard time getting my head around this.
It really bothers me.
She needs to do time.
MOO.

 

[Herat]

Twitter
"A deal is being cut before our eyes." HLN Legal Analyst
@JoeyJacksonEsq
on breaking developments in the disappearance of Jennifer Dulos.

I really DONT want this to be a deal with FD.

He deserves no mercy at all, no plea bargains, no credit

Nothing, nothing, nothing

 

[CarefullyTaught]

Maybe like Michael Peterson in Durham, NC, Fotis committed the same crime twice.
But I think Fotis' mom did not have a life insurance policy.
The garage door was up in JD's rental house. I think she was ambushed in the garage by her husband.

Knowing what we now know about FD, it’s pretty clear he is a sociopath. I remain unconvinced that FD is a reliable information source re KD’s financials or anything. His conflicts of interest, greed, narcissism, self-interest, sadism, overconfidence, calculating/conniving natural, and abusive controlling nature are off the charts.

I think KD had assets, investments, and insurance policies. I’m certain IMOO, FD has insurance policies also on JD, on his in-laws, on his late FIL, and also on MT and all the kids. People to FD are fungible. People to FD, particularly wealthy ones, ARE his insurance policies, in so very many more ways than one.

Based on just about every Forensic Files or Cold Case investigations show that involves a family member falling down a staircase and sustaining massive head wounds and internal bleeding etc in the household of a serial controller/abuser sociopath, presumably this was at least likely to have been intended as a fatal incident, but regretfully for FD, the attempt was not immediately successful. He is nothing if not persistent though, but given KD’s tough cookie survival and potential suspicion of a subsequent attempt, FD needed to make sure he was out of the country for the subsequent attempt. If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. Perhaps FD was even in Italy (with side trips to Greece) during this time period for the purpose of filing fraudulent will, deed, estate, trust, probate, property transfer, etc documents, and possibly for the purposes of obtaining additional insurance on KD and/or other family members and employees.

There may have even been prior attempts on the lives of the mother KD, the wife JD, and the children. The water ski regime could have been part of this; lots of drownings; accidents on boats; propellor impacts; storms; lost at sea; family tragedies.

The strong pain killers FD “would like to mention” to the investigating officers >3 months after the accident do not seem to have been specified, no medical records or pharmacy records for KD subpoenaed or bottles seized for testing to see if they were in fact what they were supposed to be or if some one (FD) has swapped out KD’s meds or the nanny had been tricked into providing overdoses or contraindicated meds.

If anyone is fluent in Greek and/or familiar with Greek corporations, insurance, or estate law, someone might want to take a look at what’s been recorded in Greece under the nanny’s name (the nanny may or may not have even known of this); the nanny at the time of KD’s death. It’s possible there’s a slush fund, payoff, laundry, or shell component at work here. By whom, for whom, why, is anyone’s guess, given so far as I know or last saw, the nanny from that time was a ?line chef? in Hartford for Panera Bread. She may be a victim also, TOS at this point I believe require us to consider her as such, but also she may have been someone’s patsy, or FD pressured or manipulated her to compassionately selectively alter, misremember, or forget certain events in order to spare the grieving family additional harm and threaten that FD would hate for the nanny to be wrongly blamed for anything, arrested, deported, have her life ruined, etc.

It doesn’t appear the police ever pulled or reviewed KD’s ER or hospital records or interviewed the duty nurses or attending medical staff. Three weeks later, and with the language barrier, and with this poor grieving rich family seemingly without any motive, and with KD devoid of assets etc according to the son no where near the accident scene at the time anyway, and with KD’s prior medical condition and all, and with other street crime in urban areas look into, nothing further at this time.

I know I’m in the minority here, but I’ll also renote for the record I’m not convinced, arson and insurance investigations notwithstanding, that FD and/or MT had nothing to do with the tragic barn/stable fire that claimed the lives of all the JD/FD children’s beloved horses, among other familys’, childrens’, trainers’, and owners’ horses. Even if no financial gain or monetary profit were in it for FD, the value to a sociopath of pulling off such a sick one up on JD and the devastation and vulnerability and emotional and psychological messaging and impact on FD and to the kids would be thrilling, ego boating, gratifying retaliation, control, and power.

Devastate the kids and eliminate the joy of riding, kill their darlings, wear them down, inflict deep wounds, and they might be more easy to control and have more time for water skiing and less interest in or access or desire for starting over with new horses because of their mourning. Who cares about collateral damage to other families of one is capable of doing this to his own? Certainly not FD.

As for JD’s recent drastic weight loss and increasingly unsettled nerves, as the saying goes, “even paranoids have enemies”: for sure this wasn’t all in her head. FD had likely tried to kill JD (or arrange for or trick someone else into doing so for him) many times before. He may have been poisoning her prior to her recent disappearance and violent death, but at some point he just got really angry and tired of waiting around to cash in. If the divorce went forward and/or JD got custody of the kids, FD’s easy gravy train was likely quickly coming to an end, and he was incredibly lazy and entitled, despite being also calculating. It was time for him to speed things up and cash her in. He would not, could not, stand to let JD “win.” He couldn’t even allow her to just back away slowly and quietly.

No one said no to Fotis. No one called him on his b.s. But suddenly court was closing in. They called his bluff. And he sniffed her out.

MOO

 

[Mrs. M]

ITA however I cling to putting her in water to the alternative of dismembering her and putting her in bags going to an incinerator. That is the most my heart can bear right now.

I’m still clinging to the water grave rather than the alternative at the Recycling Center. Jennifer wrote about all the different places they temporarily lived in and Fulos went running every day in the woods surrounding those homes so she could literally be anywhere. I just hope it’s not where they are searching.

 

[spaz1959]

Is it bingo time?

Hahaha.

 

[SteveP]

I really DONT want this to be a deal with FD.

He deserves no mercy at all, no plea bargains, no credit

Nothing, nothing, nothing

I am pretty sure there is no deal being made with FD, as Connecticut repealed capital punishment in 2012, and taking the death penalty off the table in exchange for location of her remains is all I could even remotely fathom that would ever be offered, if capital punishment was an option. Any deal made will be to strengthen the state's case against FD, not to weaken it. JMO

 

[Seattle1]

Has anyone seen a reference to legal entity called Fore Group, Inc. other than this lawsuit with the Nigerian national? I have been working to track back activities of Fore Group, LLC. How many Fore Group entities are there is what I'm trying to figure out. Any ideas?

Careful, I'm afraid you could be going down a rabbit hole!

As a Corporation can be a member of an LLC, it's very normal business practice for builders/contractors, and developers to form a separate LLC for each building project.

It would not be unusual to see derivative names such Fore Group, LLC - Phase I; Fore Group, LLC - Hemlock, etc. and each majority owned by FD's Corporation.

MOO

 

[spaz1959]

I’m still clinging to the water grave rather than the alternative at the Recycling Center. Jennifer wrote about all the different places they temporarily lived in and Fulos went running every day in the woods surrounding those homes so she could literally be anywhere. I just hope it’s not where they are searching.

I know it's difficult, but I pray they find JD, no matter what state her body is in, no matter what location. Then I wish for LE to lock up that somofa***** and throw away the key!

 

[CarefullyTaught]

So many comments here about how the girlfriend is ugly, old, ragged, and bad looking! She actually has great bone structure and wasn't she a former model? Maybe she was, maybe not, but either way she doesn't have horsey teeth and she is photogenic. Never mind, all comments about her looks are ridiculous. She's a murderer. That's what matters.

How she looks has nothing to do with her 3 hour deposition with the prosecutor.

I agree here looks are irrelevant as concerns moral character, class, ethics, culpability, intelligence, remorse, conscience, etc.

At the same time, IMOO, MT’s Mom appears to have great skin and has aged remarkably well. I don’t know if it’s MT’s birth mom or her chrono age or whether she’s had “work done” — it doesn’t look like it to me — but in less we are in Tammany Tower where the 3rd wives are younger than the adult children of wife one, MT to me looks older than her mom, good facial bone structure notwithstanding.

MOO

 

[Mrs. M]

If he put JD in Candlewood Lake
Wouldn’t they have found her while they were searching for the teen that drowned?

That was in New Milford which is much, much further north.

 

[Mrs. M]

So the summer after FD’s junior year of High School; the summer before FD’s senior year of high school, a year before FD even left for freshman year of undergrad, FD attended a (no offense, legitimate scholars) vanity summer program at Harvard?

Wondering if FD actually enrolled in and obtained college credit for the Harvard U undergrad macro and microeconomics classes that high school summer or whether the program was one where a for-profit summer enrichment contractor lichened off HU prestige by temp leasing dorm or university seminar space for a few guest lectures and campus receptions, which may or may not have included any Harvard academic content, staff, lecturers, endorsements, or faculty, but not actual HU course enrollment, attendance, or completion?

In the spirit of unimpeachable accuracy detailed in the Mueller report, had FD “had had confidence that [FD] clearly did not [allege or imply some “summer session” “education” experience linked in some way however remote or indirectly to “Harvard University”], we would have said so." AND, had FD actually earned any HU college credit or enrolled in such classes through HU, you can be sure FD would have so stated.

IMO, FD’s entry under “Education” for HU threads the needle very carefully and very strategically. He aims to boast and impress by implying HU attendance, yet deflects from the droids you are looking for because in point of fact, FD likely never attended or completed college classes at HU. Had he, he would have so stated.

FD knows exactly what he’s doing. He’s a confidence man. There’s no there there.

That’s his scam.

Mic drop.

 

[citygirl]

Knowing what we now know about FD, it’s pretty clear he is a sociopath. I remain unconvinced that FD is a reliable information source re KD’s financials or anything. His conflicts of interest, greed, narcissism, self-interest, sadism, overconfidence, calculating/conniving natural, and abusive controlling nature are off the charts.

I think KD had assets, investments, and insurance policies. I’m certain IMOO, FD has insurance policies also on JD, on his in-laws, on his late FIL, and also on MT and all the kids. People to FD are fungible. People to FD, particularly wealthy ones, ARE his insurance policies, in so very many more ways than one.

Based on just about every Forensic Files or Cold Case investigations show that involves a family member falling down a staircase and sustaining massive head wounds and internal bleeding etc in the household of a serial controller/abuser sociopath, presumably this was at least likely to have been intended as a fatal incident, but regretfully for FD, the attempt was not immediately successful. He is nothing if not persistent though, but given KD’s tough cookie survival and potential suspicion of a subsequent attempt, FD needed to make sure he was out of the country for the subsequent attempt. If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. Perhaps FD was even in Italy (with side trips to Greece) during this time period for the purpose of filing fraudulent will, deed, estate, trust, probate, property transfer, etc documents, and possibly for the purposes of obtaining additional insurance on KD and/or other family members and employees.

There may have even been prior attempts on the lives of the mother KD, the wife JD, and the children. The water ski regime could have been part of this; lots of drownings; accidents on boats; propellor impacts; storms; lost at sea; family tragedies.

The strong pain killers FD “would like to mention” to the investigating officers >3 months after the accident do not seem to have been specified, no medical records or pharmacy records for KD subpoenaed or bottles seized for testing to see if they were in fact what they were supposed to be or if some one (FD) has swapped out KD’s meds or the nanny had been tricked into providing overdoses or contraindicated meds.

If anyone is fluent in Greek and/or familiar with Greek corporations, insurance, or estate law, someone might want to take a look at what’s been recorded in Greece under the nanny’s name (the nanny may or may not have even known of this); the nanny at the time of KD’s death. It’s possible there’s a slush fund, payoff, laundry, or shell component at work here. By whom, for whom, why, is anyone’s guess, given so far as I know or last saw, the nanny from that time was a ?line chef? in Hartford for Panera Bread. She may be a victim also, TOS at this point I believe require us to consider her as such, but also she may have been someone’s patsy, or FD pressured or manipulated her to compassionately selectively alter, misremember, or forget certain events in order to spare the grieving family additional harm and threaten that FD would hate for the nanny to be wrongly blamed for anything, arrested, deported, have her life ruined, etc.

It doesn’t appear the police ever pulled or reviewed KD’s ER or hospital records or interviewed the duty nurses or attending medical staff. Three weeks later, and with the language barrier, and with this poor grieving rich family seemingly without any motive, and with KD devoid of assets etc according to the son no where near the accident scene at the time anyway, and with KD’s prior medical condition and all, and with other street crime in urban areas look into, nothing further at this time.

I know I’m in the minority here, but I’ll also renote for the record I’m not convinced, arson and insurance investigations notwithstanding, that FD and/or MT had nothing to do with the tragic barn/stable fire that claimed the lives of all the JD/FD children’s beloved horses, among other familys’, childrens’, trainers’, and owners’ horses. Even if no financial gain or monetary profit were in it for FD, the value to a sociopath of pulling off such a sick one up on JD and the devastation and vulnerability and emotional and psychological messaging and impact on FD and to the kids would be thrilling, ego boating, gratifying retaliation, control, and power.

Devastate the kids and eliminate the joy of riding, kill their darlings, wear them down, inflict deep wounds, and they might be more easy to control and have more time for water skiing and less interest in or access or desire for starting over with new horses because of their mourning. Who cares about collateral damage to other families of one is capable of doing this to his own? Certainly not FD.

As for JD’s recent drastic weight loss and increasingly unsettled nerves, as the saying goes, “even paranoids have enemies”: for sure this wasn’t all in her head. FD had likely tried to kill JD (or arrange for or trick someone else into doing so for him) many times before. He may have been poisoning her prior to her recent disappearance and violent death, but at some point he just got really angry and tired of waiting around to cash in. If the divorce went forward and/or JD got custody of the kids, FD’s easy gravy train was likely quickly coming to an end, and he was incredibly lazy and entitled, despite being also calculating. It was time for him to speed things up and cash her in. He would not, could not, stand to let JD “win.” He couldn’t even allow her to just back away slowly and quietly.

No one said no to Fotis. No one called him on his b.s. But suddenly court was closing in. They called his bluff. And he sniffed her out.

MOO

WOW !!!!

 

[Sherlockhemlock]

Knowing what we now know about FD, it’s pretty clear he is a sociopath. I remain unconvinced that FD is a reliable information source re KD’s financials or anything. His conflicts of interest, greed, narcissism, self-interest, sadism, overconfidence, calculating/conniving natural, and abusive controlling nature are off the charts.

I think KD had assets, investments, and insurance policies. I’m certain IMOO, FD has insurance policies also on JD, on his in-laws, on his late FIL, and also on MT and all the kids. People to FD are fungible. People to FD, particularly wealthy ones, ARE his insurance policies, in so very many more ways than one.

Based on just about every Forensic Files or Cold Case investigations show that involves a family member falling down a staircase and sustaining massive head wounds and internal bleeding etc in the household of a serial controller/abuser sociopath, presumably this was at least likely to have been intended as a fatal incident, but regretfully for FD, the attempt was not immediately successful. He is nothing if not persistent though, but given KD’s tough cookie survival and potential suspicion of a subsequent attempt, FD needed to make sure he was out of the country for the subsequent attempt. If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. Perhaps FD was even in Italy (with side trips to Greece) during this time period for the purpose of filing fraudulent will, deed, estate, trust, probate, property transfer, etc documents, and possibly for the purposes of obtaining additional insurance on KD and/or other family members and employees.

There may have even been prior attempts on the lives of the mother KD, the wife JD, and the children. The water ski regime could have been part of this; lots of drownings; accidents on boats; propellor impacts; storms; lost at sea; family tragedies.

The strong pain killers FD “would like to mention” to the investigating officers >3 months after the accident do not seem to have been specified, no medical records or pharmacy records for KD subpoenaed or bottles seized for testing to see if they were in fact what they were supposed to be or if some one (FD) has swapped out KD’s meds or the nanny had been tricked into providing overdoses or contraindicated meds.
MOO

Snipped by me. My husband pointed out that if FD held insurance on his mom it is one of His assets not hers. I think he had the nanny run over her. JMO

 

[Alkali13]

I am pretty sure there is no deal being made with FD, as Connecticut repealed capital punishment in 2012, and taking the death penalty off the table in exchange for location of her remains is all I could even remotely fathom that would ever be offered, if capital punishment was an option. Any deal made will be to strengthen the state's case against FD, not to weaken it. JMO

ITA. There's literally no reason to offer him a plea currently. The only outside shot I could possibly see of him getting a deal would be way down the road if they still haven't found JD, and even thought, I would assume it's a slightly reduced sentence.

 

[Herat]

Knowing what we now know about FD, it’s pretty clear he is a sociopath. I remain unconvinced that FD is a reliable information source re KD’s financials or anything. His conflicts of interest, greed, narcissism, self-interest, sadism, overconfidence, calculating/conniving natural, and abusive controlling nature are off the charts.

I think KD had assets, investments, and insurance policies. I’m certain IMOO, FD has insurance policies also on JD, on his in-laws, on his late FIL, and also on MT and all the kids. People to FD are fungible. People to FD, particularly wealthy ones, ARE his insurance policies, in so very many more ways than one.

Based on just about every Forensic Files or Cold Case investigations show that involves a family member falling down a staircase and sustaining massive head wounds and internal bleeding etc in the household of a serial controller/abuser sociopath, presumably this was at least likely to have been intended as a fatal incident, but regretfully for FD, the attempt was not immediately successful. He is nothing if not persistent though, but given KD’s tough cookie survival and potential suspicion of a subsequent attempt, FD needed to make sure he was out of the country for the subsequent attempt. If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. Perhaps FD was even in Italy (with side trips to Greece) during this time period for the purpose of filing fraudulent will, deed, estate, trust, probate, property transfer, etc documents, and possibly for the purposes of obtaining additional insurance on KD and/or other family members and employees.

There may have even been prior attempts on the lives of the mother KD, the wife JD, and the children. The water ski regime could have been part of this; lots of drownings; accidents on boats; propellor impacts; storms; lost at sea; family tragedies.

The strong pain killers FD “would like to mention” to the investigating officers >3 months after the accident do not seem to have been specified, no medical records or pharmacy records for KD subpoenaed or bottles seized for testing to see if they were in fact what they were supposed to be or if some one (FD) has swapped out KD’s meds or the nanny had been tricked into providing overdoses or contraindicated meds.

If anyone is fluent in Greek and/or familiar with Greek corporations, insurance, or estate law, someone might want to take a look at what’s been recorded in Greece under the nanny’s name (the nanny may or may not have even known of this); the nanny at the time of KD’s death. It’s possible there’s a slush fund, payoff, laundry, or shell component at work here. By whom, for whom, why, is anyone’s guess, given so far as I know or last saw, the nanny from that time was a ?line chef? in Hartford for Panera Bread. She may be a victim also, TOS at this point I believe require us to consider her as such, but also she may have been someone’s patsy, or FD pressured or manipulated her to compassionately selectively alter, misremember, or forget certain events in order to spare the grieving family additional harm and threaten that FD would hate for the nanny to be wrongly blamed for anything, arrested, deported, have her life ruined, etc.

It doesn’t appear the police ever pulled or reviewed KD’s ER or hospital records or interviewed the duty nurses or attending medical staff. Three weeks later, and with the language barrier, and with this poor grieving rich family seemingly without any motive, and with KD devoid of assets etc according to the son no where near the accident scene at the time anyway, and with KD’s prior medical condition and all, and with other street crime in urban areas look into, nothing further at this time.

I know I’m in the minority here, but I’ll also renote for the record I’m not convinced, arson and insurance investigations notwithstanding, that FD and/or MT had nothing to do with the tragic barn/stable fire that claimed the lives of all the JD/FD children’s beloved horses, among other familys’, childrens’, trainers’, and owners’ horses. Even if no financial gain or monetary profit were in it for FD, the value to a sociopath of pulling off such a sick one up on JD and the devastation and vulnerability and emotional and psychological messaging and impact on FD and to the kids would be thrilling, ego boating, gratifying retaliation, control, and power.

Devastate the kids and eliminate the joy of riding, kill their darlings, wear them down, inflict deep wounds, and they might be more easy to control and have more time for water skiing and less interest in or access or desire for starting over with new horses because of their mourning. Who cares about collateral damage to other families of one is capable of doing this to his own? Certainly not FD.

As for JD’s recent drastic weight loss and increasingly unsettled nerves, as the saying goes, “even paranoids have enemies”: for sure this wasn’t all in her head. FD had likely tried to kill JD (or arrange for or trick someone else into doing so for him) many times before. He may have been poisoning her prior to her recent disappearance and violent death, but at some point he just got really angry and tired of waiting around to cash in. If the divorce went forward and/or JD got custody of the kids, FD’s easy gravy train was likely quickly coming to an end, and he was incredibly lazy and entitled, despite being also calculating. It was time for him to speed things up and cash her in. He would not, could not, stand to let JD “win.” He couldn’t even allow her to just back away slowly and quietly.

No one said no to Fotis. No one called him on his b.s. But suddenly court was closing in. They called his bluff. And he sniffed her out.

MOO

If JD had been poisoning JD ( although I can't quite figure out how, as she had as little contact with him as possible) that would be another reason to make the body unrecoverable so that her hair or tissues could not be tested for arsenic, etc

 

[Ressler]

There is some disagreement amongst the WSers so I thought this might provide some insight.
Snipped by me from the article below.
“CONCLUSIONS: Homicides with corpses dismemberment usually are committed by offenders who is in close relationship with victim (family or friend). Dismemberment is almost always performed in the same place as murder - home of perpetrator. This type of homicide usually is not planned.”

Homicides with corpse dismemberment in the material collected by the Department of Forensic Medicine, Krakow, Poland. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[gitana1]

After the initial intensive search of Waveny Park and draining of the pond there and with the knowledge of the 30 bags of discarded bloody clothes etc. the focus of the search for her body has been the trash to recovery plant. There have only been brief forays to other spots which were not body searches. Unclear what they were looking for. LE knows more than we do obviously, and they remain focused on the plant, so she may have just verified what they already knew.

That's good to know. Do we know when they started searching and for how long?

 

[Alkali13]

Idk, that study is super interesting, but I stick by him transporting her body to his own home to dismember her.

I can't recall - Did Richard Crafts dismember Helle in the home as well?

 

[gitana1]

BBM.
I have a hard time getting my head around this.
It really bothers me.
She needs to do time.
MOO.

As long as he doesn't get off in change for her doing substantial time, I hope I can eat my words.

But this is based on so many similar cases and watching how it's done in criminal cases over the decades.

 

[gitana1]

JMO, but I think she gave them information that they had already checked out and she was back there to answer more questions they had, wanting her to show them exact locations.

I really don't think we will hear anything major until Tuesday.

I predicted murder charges for yesterday. I'm worried something fell through.