Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #16

[Mrs. M]

The part of this episode that I struggle with is that the MIL asked the nanny to move the car because she had experienced a fall down the steps a few weeks prior (correct me if I'm wrong here). I wonder if FD was around when this alleged fall happened.

JD wasn't there for the MIL accident (police report says they reached her by phone) but she was reported at the hospital with her MIL and nanny (how did she communicate with them?). We don't know if the MIL spoke any english and I think the assumption was nanny spoke only greek but I'm not sure this is 100% correct even though FD imposed himself into the translation role IMO. When LE questioned JD about MIL accident and fall down the steps she deferred to FD.

We don't know if JD spoke greek so far as I know. I wonder if MIL spoke some english as did nanny? Greek is tough to learn but I wonder if JD did it in order to communicate with MIL/FIL and nanny and any family that didn't speak english.

On the surface of it this entire episode from the fall down the stairs to being run over in the driveway sounds like the picture someone brilliantly posted here the other day of the movie, "Throw Mama from the Train"!!?!?

Nothing or little of the fall and the car injury makes sense IMO. Has anyone found out anything further on this situation?

What year was the Range Rover? Mine alerts me if something is too close to the front.

 

[mom2chloe]

What a gosh darn shame. A street man who uses drugs sheds light on this case.

Never look a gift horse in the mouth as they say. Jennifer deserves the truth much like her family, friends and all of us who seek justice for her.
Maybe they (FD and MT) planted the evidence in an area knowing the desperate drug addicts would search and seek things out. Additional victimization for anyone who encountered evidence and sold it to score drugs or a high. A sad reminder that JD is not the only one who needs our prayers and positive thoughts. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction! Thanks

 

[Bulldogs2]

Did you also hear last year all of her children’s horses were killed in a fire at their stables. Apparently each child had a horse and FD was not a fan of the horseback riding because it was what she wanted them to do and took time away from waterskiing etc. totally traumatic for those children and her after all they had been through. Pretty strange to me...most psychopaths hurt animals and he was not a fan of them participating in this activity.

Right on!

 

[Mrs. M]

I do not agree. Lots and lots of drug users/addicts testify for the state everyday in courtrooms throughout this country and people are convicted on that testimony. Besides, this fellow is NOT going to be the star of the show. What the state will do is lay an irrefutable evidentiary trail that leads to one conclusion-FD placed that knife in that garbage can on the day he murdered his wife. The jury will be told to use their common sense and consider the evidence presented in total. With the proper foundation, this testimony will be part of overwhelming evidence of guilt. This witness is just more corroboration of that guilt.

I was on the jury and the defendant testified and admitted his drug use and testified in his own defense. We believed him and later found proof in the jury room that what he said was true. Sometimes the truth is obvious.

 

[MemPat]

Please forgive my anger and disgust. I wish someone would get into FD face and ask (taunt) him by asking how he feels knowing he will no longer see his children/raise them, etc.. I would love for a reporter to push his buttons and see how he reacts. (even if it is just that... pushing his buttons)

For now there seems to be enough money to maintain a wall around FD but with every billable hour, the pile of cash diminishes. A public defender with limited resources (who perhaps doesn't give a flip) is on the horizon.

There also seem to be a few friends left in Greece but with every piece of irrefutable evidence that makes its way into the public eye, their love and admiration will diminish.

Let the diminishment cut FD like Fudge's knife!

 

[Tink56]

The part of this episode that I struggle with is that the MIL asked the nanny to move the car because she had experienced a fall down the steps a few weeks prior (correct me if I'm wrong here). I wonder if FD was around when this alleged fall happened.

JD wasn't there for the MIL accident (police report says they reached her by phone) but she was reported at the hospital with her MIL and nanny (how did she communicate with them?). We don't know if the MIL spoke any english and I think the assumption was nanny spoke only greek but I'm not sure this is 100% correct even though FD imposed himself into the translation role IMO. When LE questioned JD about MIL accident and fall down the steps she deferred to FD.

We don't know if JD spoke greek so far as I know. I wonder if MIL spoke some english as did nanny? Greek is tough to learn but I wonder if JD did it in order to communicate with MIL/FIL and nanny and any family that didn't speak english.

On the surface of it this entire episode from the fall down the stairs to being run over in the driveway sounds like the picture someone brilliantly posted here the other day of the movie, "Throw Mama from the Train"!!?!?

Nothing or little of the fall and the car injury makes sense IMO. Has anyone found out anything further on this situation?

I read that FD was in Italy when his mother was run over by the nanny. I'm sure that was another stressor for JD.

 

[BellaVita]

Well said.

As you mention GF providing safety and stability to the children, I keep going back to the FD trip to NYC to either see the children or pick them up and he was met by armed guards/security people (Sunday of MD weekend I believe).

I recall in the early days of the case being somewhat taken aback by this report of the armed guards (believe it was Sunday after the Friday missing date and over the MD weekend). But now looking back I believe GF knew so much more than we the public knew.

But now looking at what has come out I wonder instead if GF knew in those early days that JD was not missing and had been murdered (or had a strong suspicion as to what had happened)? It just seems like the goal was to secure the grandchildren and then once the children were secured then the missing report was filed. Given the schedule for the day and the missed appts. it seems like GF would have known that JD was missing but knowing what she knew about FD and MT that she made sure the children were safe and then proceeded with JD friends to file the report with NCPD and search the NC house. The goal seemed to be to stay 1 or 2 steps ahead of FD/MT so they would suspect anything was out of the ordinary.

I also wonder if it could have been possible that the Welles house was searched earlier than reported by a couple of hours or so, shortly after JD was supposed to meet up with the children in the city? This would have given the info about the blood splatter and clean up efforts at Welles and so NCPC could have passed on this info to GF and she could have hired the guards. It seems like all of this was done quietly and the missing report/silver alert not released until after 7pm in order to give FD the false sense of security that everything is ok and that he would wake up the next day and head over to pick up the children as scheduled. NCPD might have been scrambling to get search warrants and other legal clearances in place in order to be able to hit the ground running on Saturday and they probably worked through the night to get everything in order too.

It just seems that looking back that so much didn't play out of the typical missing persons playbook that we usually see from LE. What we saw was a murder investigation get put together quite quickly with many resources brought in quickly and so much of what was done was to make sure that FD and MT didn't flee IMO.

Looking back on those first few days after JD was reported 'missing' is surreal in hindsight as I'm questioning so much of what we assumed to be happening. I think many wanted JD to be missing but LE was pursuing another path completely IMO and was hard at work to secure the warrants for FD and MT. Recalling the video we saw of FD and MT just before their arrest it looked like they were feeling the pressure of everything that LE was doing and then with the arrests, their worlds imploded.

Curious to see what really did happen in these early days of the case! ? !

Also, just goes to show how disorganized FD was in the commission of this murder. To leave visible blood stains in the garage. How could he think that GF would not involve police immediately? Did he really think he could show up at Welles on Saturday and finish the clean up? I still wonder if he really intended murder that Friday. I know personal anecdotes are frowned upon here. I wish i could relate some things more specifically. Often, the rage of people like FD explodes out of nowhere when cornered. Or under the influence of cocaine. If he laid a hand on her at all, he knew he was done for. At that point, he would have just kept going because he was done for anyway. JMO.

 

[Alwaystyping]

So The Courant reporter was able to talk directly
to the knife finder man. Great connections this
reporter has.
Sounds like knife finder man may be in hidden
location according to the article. Wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now. Fudge may also be looking for him as well as FD.
Now we know why FD is so familiar with this hood, it's where he buys his drugs.

I hope LE has hooked up knifefinder man with
the local methadone clinic to get him clean so
he can be a more credible witness at trial.
Nothing worse than an active crack addict testifying.

ITA about the drugs, that was blisteringly apparent in both FD and MT mug shots. Also ... while achingly farfetched, could FD = “Fudge Dulos” !!!

I am heartbroken about JD and I am so grateful for the tireless work of LE and this WS community.

 

[bubby girl]

What year was the Range Rover? Mine alerts me if something is too close to the front.

range rover does not equal land rover..range rover does not fit a family such as the dulos'..land rover's have the third row..

so, when FD called 911 in june 2017 that his family was missing/not responding, the dispatcher asked what they were driving..he responded a range rover..FD does not know his vehicles- the model differences...

 

[BellaVita]

Sorry I just realized I wrote the wrong thing. What I meant was that he WOULDNT care enough to bury her

That DID seem odd. I just thought you were being a nice, optimistic person.

 

[thekirbyfamily]

Perhaps it is that not every hero wears a cape or is what we might first envision as a hero. To me, it seems so often that heroes come in all kinds of places and spaces. I’m not arguing or being hateful; it’s just my musing. MOO.

Exactly!

Right on!

OMG! That fire was so sad when it happened. We pass those stables every Sunday when we go to brunch.

 

[Daisyeve]

I have a feeling that he is far worse than we have imagined.

I had the horrible thought that he might be reviving his tanning business in a very sinister way since he might be needing cash. I started thinking about this after reading about how he was trying to arrange the meeting with KM and the estranged wife.

 

[Mountain Misst]

A shake-down of all the crack dealers might be a bit of an ask... 'Fudge' will maybe melt.

Jennifer Dulos case: Man claims he found knife, bloodied pillow in Hartford trash

 

[Daisyeve]

No doubt NP will try to tear him to shreds. But who is to say LE will ever need to call him? And, who is to say a jury wouldn't believe this man? Too early to tell.

I would think there would be a lot of people in that area talking and if investigators were working the streets in the early days they probably found some of them. So NP should have a lot to worry about.

 

[Chicago54]

I’m copying my two last posts below. I think my points are being misunderstood.

From the first post, I am questioning the veracity of this entire event, as it has been reported in the Courant. Has this information been corroborated by any other entity? Maybe I missed it. Maybe it’s just too vague of reporting, I tend to doubt anything that begins w “sources”, or maybe it’s just bad reporting. Why make a point of saying when ‘finder’ was interviewed in relation to the search if the order changes in one paragraph to the next? These issues make it hard for me to believe the report is factually correct .
Their words, man may have found a knife , Sources, the mans statement was taken BEFORE the search, then , before they interviewed him that had found evidence...

My first post:
“The excerpt below is from the Hartford Courant article :
A Hartford man may have found a knife linked to the disappearance of New Canaan mother Jennifer Farber Dulos in the trash — and then traded it away

“Sources have verified that there is video surveillance of the man reaching into the garbage can and removing items the weekend Farber Dulos disappeared. They also confirmed a statement was taken from him before state police conducted a massive search on May 31 with dogs and troopers in the Albany Avenue area.“

The article continues:

“Before interviewing the man who said he found the knife, state police had already recovered some of the items allegedly dumped on Albany Avenue, including the Vineyard Vines shirt stained in blood that they believe Farber Dulos was wearing the day she disappeared.”

Just a few things to think about. 1. “Sources” are telling this reporter details about the surveillance video. Details about a just released from prison drug addict, but these sources didnt also answer how many bags? Or what color bags??? Ie- other pressing details ?
2. Source also says, LE didn’t do their search immediately, but FIRST interviewed this guy BEFORE checking to see what FD was dumping. So they used precious time to track down this guy before they dig into the trash cans themselves.
3. Oh no wait, LE did do their search, then they interviewed this guy....

Me thinks something is not right here.
And there is no way in hell even Doofus put an unconcealed soaking bloody pillow in the trash. With the knife underneath. Umm he just put a boxed package in a storm drain... guess he forgot to throw the knife in there, let alone wipe it off.”

After my second post, I have gotten a few replies hitting hard on the fact that it shouldn’t matter if the ‘finder’ was a drug addict and how peeps have been on juries and believed their statements etc.., I never made any comment about this guys status making him less credible. Drug addict, dealer or King of England, I don’t care. ( in my first comment I stated the deets abt this guy in the article , from the “source” because their detail and specificity, from personal habits to color of clothes, seemed ridiculously not balanced to the lack of other missing details( # of bags, color?) from the “source.”
My main point is IF LE doesn’t have pillow, knife, pants, and therefore NO DNA, IMO, unless they have almost hand to hand transfer from Foolus to dumpster man on CCTV, they have a “story” with no evidentiary value. I don’t care if the guy says it was 2 qts of blood, LE needs to pillow so they can verify it is JDs blood.


My second post:
“And talk about circumstantial NON -evidence. If LE doesn’t have the pillow, the knife, the pants-so what? It is meaningless IMO.
Unless they have FD on tape putting that pillow in, and dumpster diver pulling exact same pillow out, [and no one else went anywhere near the trash receptacle], maybe the finder could testify as to what he believed was on it....LE has the tapes showing FD dumping bags, along with the countless others who put their trash out that weekend. I just don’t see any additional, if any at all, evidentiary value here...so far.”

Hope that clarifies my meaning.

 

[Daisyeve]

Can't disagree with you, as I think the Suburban at Waveny has been a piece of the puzzle that we have struggled with for many threads.

The run in Waveny issue was discussed and I think where we ended up was that due to the timing of the appts in the city and the fact that it appeared she was driving to the city that it was hard to see a run as being doable (we had a quote about what her typical run time and distance was and I'm going from memory but I don't think she could have done her full run with the schedule). I think we also checked the train schedule into the city from Talmadge Hill and I don't think she would have been able to do a run, shower and make train due to the schedule. All these scenarios involve assumptions about run, shower, clean up time etc. Lots of talk and many different views if I recall on the early threads!

MOO, but the way NCPD towed the JD Suburban off immediately led me to be suspicious of what they might have found in the vehicle or done to the vehicle. It all could have been something, or nothing. We know a major assault happened in the garage but what if the body was placed in JD vehicle and driven to Waveny for pick up by someone else or a car switch on Lapham? IDK but we've talked about so many options.

I think the general consensus has been that there was nothing odd about NCPD using stock photo of the JD Suburban in the posters and online.

Perhaps, but the actual vehicle was available and pictures could have been taken. It probably took more time to find the stock photo and blow it up than it would have taken to use the actual vehicle.

I think the vehicle was significant due to what might have happened in it or fingerprints and other DNA that might have been found and that is why it has never been seen by the public or the press.

I agree with your idea about the body being placed in her suburban or another car and driven to another location. I think two or three people at least were involved. A lookout person would be needed during the crime and clean up because anybody could drive up to the house unexpected. FD and MT planned this for while . They both had their own reasons for wanting this horrible thing to happen. MOO

 

[Chicago54]

BINGO. Another “source” , but at least this one has”police” in front of it.
From Jennifer Dulos case: Man claims he found knife, bloodied pillow in Hartford trash

“The man, who was charged with misdemeanor failure to appear and trespassing, claimed he found a blood-soaked pillow in a trash can on Albany Avenue near Garden Street sometime on Memorial Day weekend after Jennifer Dulos disappeared on May 24, the Courant reported.

The man said beneath the pillow he found what he described as a fishing knife that he traded to a guy he only knows as “Fudge” for crack cocaine, the Courant reported.

However, there is no mention of a pillow being found in the list of items police reported in arrest warrants. A police source told Hearst Connecticut Media that without finding the knife, there is no way to know if it’s connected to Jennifer Dulos’ disappearance.

 

[Daisyeve]

In the early days, ( I think about the same time of MT possibly deleting computer files), there was also mention of MT or someone else saying JD’s garage door was left open that horrible day. Was that ever verified?

I also remember reading about the computer files and have not been able to find the original story.

 

[Daisyeve]

FD FB link: Fotis Dulos

Did not find a pic of the tat. Sorry for those that were curious.

We will just have to wait for this great mystery to be solved.....

Maybe a new friend he met during his short jail stay gave him that tat.

 

[MemPat]

I’m copying my two last posts below. I think my points are being misunderstood.

From the first post, I am questioning the veracity of this entire event, as it has been reported in the Courant. Has this information been corroborated by any other entity? Maybe I missed it. Maybe it’s just too vague of reporting, I tend to doubt anything that begins w “sources”, or maybe it’s just bad reporting. Why make a point of saying when ‘finder’ was interviewed in relation to the search if the order changes in one paragraph to the next? These issues make it hard for me to believe the report is factually correct .
Their words, man may have found a knife , Sources, the mans statement was taken BEFORE the search, then , before they interviewed him that had found evidence...

My first post:
“The excerpt below is from the Hartford Courant article :
A Hartford man may have found a knife linked to the disappearance of New Canaan mother Jennifer Farber Dulos in the trash — and then traded it away

“Sources have verified that there is video surveillance of the man reaching into the garbage can and removing items the weekend Farber Dulos disappeared. They also confirmed a statement was taken from him before state police conducted a massive search on May 31 with dogs and troopers in the Albany Avenue area.“

The article continues:

“Before interviewing the man who said he found the knife, state police had already recovered some of the items allegedly dumped on Albany Avenue, including the Vineyard Vines shirt stained in blood that they believe Farber Dulos was wearing the day she disappeared.”

Just a few things to think about. 1. “Sources” are telling this reporter details about the surveillance video. Details about a just released from prison drug addict, but these sources didnt also answer how many bags? Or what color bags??? Ie- other pressing details ?
2. Source also says, LE didn’t do their search immediately, but FIRST interviewed this guy BEFORE checking to see what FD was dumping. So they used precious time to track down this guy before they dig into the trash cans themselves.
3. Oh no wait, LE did do their search, then they interviewed this guy....

Me thinks something is not right here.
And there is no way in hell even Doofus put an unconcealed soaking bloody pillow in the trash. With the knife underneath. Umm he just put a boxed package in a storm drain... guess he forgot to throw the knife in there, let alone wipe it off.”

After my second post, I have gotten a few replies hitting hard on the fact that it shouldn’t matter if the ‘finder’ was a drug addict and how peeps have been on juries and believed their statements etc.., I never made any comment about this guys status making him less credible. Drug addict, dealer or King of England, I don’t care. ( in my first comment I stated the deets abt this guy in the article , from the “source” because their detail and specificity, from personal habits to color of clothes, seemed ridiculously not balanced to the lack of other missing details( # of bags, color?) from the “source.”
My main point is IF LE doesn’t have pillow, knife, pants, and therefore NO DNA, IMO, unless they have almost hand to hand transfer from Foolus to dumpster man on CCTV, they have a “story” with no evidentiary value. I don’t care if the guy says it was 2 qts of blood, LE needs to pillow so they can verify it is JDs blood.


My second post:
“And talk about circumstantial NON -evidence. If LE doesn’t have the pillow, the knife, the pants-so what? It is meaningless IMO.
Unless they have FD on tape putting that pillow in, and dumpster diver pulling exact same pillow out, [and no one else went anywhere near the trash receptacle], maybe the finder could testify as to what he believed was on it....LE has the tapes showing FD dumping bags, along with the countless others who put their trash out that weekend. I just don’t see any additional, if any at all, evidentiary value here...so far.”

Hope that clarifies my meaning.

I will defer to an earlier commenter after your post portraying the pillow/knife revelation as useless evidence.

It's clear that JD's blood was on items left in the garbage cans by FD and MT. Gotta' love video!

If these latest items aren't as "slam-dunky" as those, I'm okay with that.

Find them. Don't find them.

Admit them as evidence. Don't admit them.

There's plenty.

You have to admit that it's good to hear more possibilities as we seek justice for Jennifer and The Courant seems to have some pretty solid "sources".