Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #19

[afitzy]

I think this is why MT will plead the 5th, but doesn’t this immediately implicate her in this matter?

Yes. But I wish one of the legal folks would help on this issue because MT hasn't been charged with anything related to the FD civil case with GF. MT is being brought in as a witness. I do wonder though depending on what she says whether she can be charged with something by the State or sued civiling by GF? Its an interesting question that I don't know the answer to. MOO

 

[Laughing]

I Couldn’t Say ‘My Mother’ Without Crying...For what its worth...I am 58 years old...my mom has been gone since I was 32...there are still days that I can't say her name without crying...I can't imagine the inescapable sadness, horror and devastation that JD's children and family deal with every day. Then to have all of FD's bull***t...it is inexcusable and is proof positive that he doesn't give two shi*s about his kids. I hope LE, the IRS, the Feds and anyone else who can cause this piece of human excrement pain do so...the sooner the better!!! jmo

dlharris, (((hugs)))

I was also an adult when my mother passed away. Today is the anniversary of her internment, some years I don't think about it much, but this year....

FD is not showing care or concern for the children, not a bit.

 

[afitzy]

IMO, FO and Crew want the Intimidation Factor.

Would MT answer Truthfully if FO is present?

NOT, in my opinion.

IMO

I am very curious how Bowman responds to this issue as he was the one that brought the original motion for no contact.

I think this is going to be a legal brawl between Pattis and Bowman as I think Pattis just wants to get his client access to MT by any means possible and for reasons that have zero or little to do with the civil case IMO.

The sad part is this might delay things.

I also don't know if the State can easily solve the situation and disagree with Pattis wanting FO to be in the room when MT is questioned or even if the Judge in criminal case can quash the Pattis request? Legal questions I don't know the answer to. MOO

 

[afitzy]

dlharris, (((hugs)))

I was also an adult when my mother passed away. Today is the anniversary of her internment, some years I don't think about it much, but this year....

FD is not showing care or concern for the children, not a bit.

Hugs to you BOTH! @dlharris and @Laughing.

I totally agree with you on this issue of absolute lack of concern for children.

Watching the Pattis interview that was posted in prior thread where he is again on the bandwagon of 'fighting for the childrens rights' brought me to a level of anger in this case that I hadn't experienced since it was clear that JD was murdered.

To see FO and Pattis (I'm not even mentioning Rochlin as he isn't running the show even though he is the person in Family Court IMO) using these children as weapons is something that I simply don't have words to express. Someone brought in the link to Anderson Coopers story and I remembered the old Gloria Vanderbilt book, "Poor Little Rich Girl". I personally find this topic of using the children so upsetting that I had to take a break from it in the last thread when it was the main focus of conversation for a few days.

All I can say is that hope GF and her steller team of family court pitbulls are well on their way to terminate FO parental rights as his record as a parent and human being IMO is well documented and clearly shows him as a person not fit for parenthood.

MOO

 

[Myvice]

I'm really not understanding this. Are FD and MT both subpoenaed to be there at the same time? If not, what right would FD have to make such a request?

 

[nina318]

This is S.R.’s ex wife

Missing New Canaan mom's close friend speaks out

While Jennifer’s family and friends haven’t had much to say, one of her close friends is speaking out about Jennifer’s personality and friendship with her ex-husband, Fotis Dulos.
“She was very thoughtful. On my birthday she sent me all white flowers...just all white...she’s just a peaceful person,” said Ronna-Marie Guiliano.

The following two quotes from the article stand out to me. (BBM) yes - "appear" is a key word - IMO. Also, when reading JD's Blogs, I had the sense she often tried to placate FD. MOO!!

“Fotis can be very pleasant. He can be very calm and convincing and appear like an honorable man,” Guiliano said."

“I did see when the nanny dropped juice, I’ve given this example before, on the counter, you could see where Fotis’ language changed and his volume and Jennifer again was calming him. That’s what you do because you don’t want to be embarrassed in front of people,” Guiliano said."
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[afitzy]

I'm really not understanding this. Are FD and MT both subpoenaed to be there at the same time? If not, what right would FD have to make such a request?

Both have been called to provide depositions in the GF/FORE civil case.

I believe FO has already been deposed but I'm not 100% certain. FO/Pattis made a comment at FO last court date in criminal proceedings that FO would like to be present at the deposition of MT in the civil matter with GF. I'm not sure but I believe he has the right to be there as he is a party to the civil litigation, IDK its a question for legal folks. FO has to get this approval to be in the same place as MT due to the no contact order that Bowman/MT had put in place in the MT criminal proceeding (Judge in FO criminal proceeding brought the no contact with MT and children/Faber family into FO criminal proceeding as well).

But Judge in FO criminal case said a motion would have to be submitted by Pattis, then Colangelo asked for time to respond as he is involved with the situation of the no contact order and then the Judge would have to rule. I would think that Bowman would be weighing in on this issue as well as MT is his client and he was the one that made original motion about no contact but I'm not sure how he does this as he/his client is not part of the FO criminal case.

Its a bit complicated as FO and MT are being tried in 2 separate criminal cases and there are 2 Judges etc. But I would expect Bowman to argue for the no contact order to stand and that FO should be excluded for MT deposition and of course Pattis will do the exact opposite as his clients rights are being violated by not being there and then the Judge will have to rule after hearing what State/Colangelo has to say about the matter.

FO I would think could waive his right to be present at MT deposition as could GF I would think. But I doubt FO will do this as Pattis hasn't been able to get FO + HO together and he has been working on it for 3 months now with zero success so he won't let this try go without a fight IMO. I'm not certain but I think if the Criminal Court Judge rules to keep the no contact order in place then the Civil Court has to follow along in this ruling but if a legal person can confirm/explain this it would be helpful as this is beyond my paygrade!

MOO

 

[thekirbyfamily]

I Couldn’t Say ‘My Mother’ Without Crying...For what its worth...I am 58 years old...my mom has been gone since I was 32...there are still days that I can't say her name without crying...I can't imagine the inescapable sadness, horror and devastation that JD's children and family deal with every day. Then to have all of FD's bull***t...it is inexcusable and is proof positive that he doesn't give two shi*s about his kids. I hope LE, the IRS, the Feds and anyone else who can cause this piece of human excrement pain do so...the sooner the better!!! jmo

I hear you!!! It's been 8 years, she was only 57, and I the situation around her death was horrific. It was the worst experience of my life. I couldn't look at pictures of her or even remember good memories because they hurt too bad for the longest time.

 

[oceancalling]

The heat is on!!

What are the odds that FD will be allowed to be present at the deposition? I'm not understanding why that would be his right.

When more than one person is charged in a crime is a co-conspirator usually allowed in their deposition? I thought part of the reason for keeping them apart was so they couldn't try to come up with a story. Well, and to keep MT alive.

I realize this doesn't pertain to the criminal case but it seems likely MT could also be charged in some of the fraud if it occurred.

It is most assuredly NOT the practice to allow a criminally charged defendant to attend his co-defendant's deposition in a legally unrelated case! Unless CT really is the wild, wild west of litigation, that is.

 

[afitzy]

It is most assuredly NOT the practice to allow a criminally charged defendant to attend his co-defendant's deposition in a legally unrelated case! Unless CT really is the wild, wild west of litigation, that is.

It is! Judge in criminal case told Pattis to prepare a motion, Colangelo gets 2 weeks to respond and then it heads back to Judge for ruling and/or hearing (this wasn't clear to me in the discussion of how it was going to be handled).

I don't know how Bowman/MT will enter the fray on this as they are the ones that originally made the motion for no contact but as they are being tried separately its a bit confusing. The Judge in the criminal case has chosen to mirror the motions on no contact with MT and children/Farber family so maybe this is how Bowman can enter the discussion but I wouldn't think he wants FO within a football field of HO at this point.

 

[sds71]

One-on-one with Norm Pattis, attorney for Fotis Dulos

The high-profile attorney sat down with News 8 to talk about the latest in the case as well as his client’s stance.

 

[Jmoose]

I don’t know if it will get him in trouble related to the court order but from experience on a school board—not in CT so who knows—, if people who have been barred from having contact with their kids come onto the school property and the school has that record (which is needed), the schools in my district call LE. That’s a public district however. MOO.

Probably works the same way in a private school, too. At least I hope it does.

 

[afitzy]

Probably works the same way in a private school, too. At least I hope it does.

Yes, NCCS has a policy and procedure for this situation. The NCCS manual was posted in prior thread in case anyone is curious. Should probably have put it in media thread.

 

[Ruminations]

Why would a bank accept unsigned returns? And can GF and attorneys require that the documents submitted to them be ones which have been signed, and therefore facts that FD has sworn to be true?

I have another question...since FD and JD were not divorced, how would the personal tax return situation work? They were legally separated for part of 2017, all of 2018, and part of 2019, so what would 2017’s return have looked like? I can’t imagine that JD would have signed 2017’s return-and I think I recall that FD didn’t present a return after 2016 for financial documents requested. I assume he didn’t bother filing a return in 2018, although that hasn’t been confirmed. How does all of this work in a contentious divorce? I know someone now who is going through a nasty divorce, and according to her, her husband and their accountant always made her sign the return before it was all filled out-cannot believe this could be true. But it lade me wonder if JD signed returns she didn’t look at. I hope the IRS goes back all of the years that they can.

I don’t know if this has already been answered, but it should be in the separation agreement how taxes would be handled- they could have filed married but I doubt it in their case, considering the level of dangerous conflict. I would think an arbitrator would have decided that they file separately. A very consequential decision is who gets to claim the children as dependents. I would think an arbitrator would give that to Jennifer. Non custodial fathers who actually pay support sometimes reasonably get the deduction, especially if it’s the primary income in their exes / kids HH. The income from which it is paid is taxable, but received child support is not taxable.

If there were no agreement, each would have to file. And whomever filed first would get away with the deductions for the kids initially. (Well, that is true even with an agreement.) But when the same kids are on more than one tax return as deductions, the IRS reacts immediately.

 

[afitzy]

Super interesting article with some quotes from Family Court that we haven't yet seen. Not sure how we missed this article.

Couple met at Brown University; now she's missing, and he's facing charges

Quotes from article:

"Her husband painted a different picture of the growing isolation and their deepening rift, testifying in court, “She’s an introvert. She’s up in her writer’s studio. She has absolutely nothing to do with the kids,” court transcripts say".

"Everything she did, and aspired to do, as a wife and mother stands in stark opposition to that assessment".

“We know Jennifer as a devoted mother, a dedicated member of our parent community and an active volunteer,” said Aaron Cooper, head of the New Canaan Country School. “Over the last two years, she had a daily presence on campus, and her kindness and warmth have been palpable to everyone who has come into contact with her.”

"Her family said in a statement on Friday that Farber Dulos delighted “in learning about other people and has imbued her five children with this love of discovery. She cares about her children more than anything in the world.”

"But she was also quietly suffering".

"She testified during divorce proceedings she had been seeing a psychiatrist, was dealing with depression and stress and was on antidepressant medications. She said her father’s illness and death contributed to her darkening mood. She admitted that she had driven her SUV while taking medication and had gotten into a crash". She was alone in the vehicle and uninjured.

“You have a serious issue, correct?” asked her husband’s lawyer, Alan Rome, in a June 2017 hearing".

“I don’t categorize it that way,” Farber Dulos responded".

"Her blog posts reveal that she maintained a close relationship with her parents, Hilliard and Gloria Farber, and viewed their home in Pound Ridge as a sometime-refuge for her and the children".

"Hilliard Farber, a banker, broker and hedge-fund founder, had fronted Fotis Dulos millions of dollars over the years for mortgages and land acquisitions, enabling Dulos to sidestep red tape and more easily leverage other financing. After Farber’s death in January 2017, the flow of funds ceased, and Dulos, according to a lawsuit by Hilliard Farber’s estate, stopped repaying the loans. Dulos now owes $2.5 million, the lawsuit states".

"And then, in March 2017, Farber Dulos discovered her husband’s affair with Troconis, 44".

"She later gathered up the children, moved to a rental home in New Canaan, hired body guards, and filed for divorce in June 2017 to cut off Dulos’s contact with the children".

"It was then that she began to fear him, she testified".

 

[afitzy]

This is S.R.’s ex wife

Missing New Canaan mom's close friend speaks out

While Jennifer’s family and friends haven’t had much to say, one of her close friends is speaking out about Jennifer’s personality and friendship with her ex-husband, Fotis Dulos.
“She was very thoughtful. On my birthday she sent me all white flowers...just all white...she’s just a peaceful person,” said Ronna-Marie Guiliano.

This web gets crazier and crazier IMO.

Think we are officially at the tipping point of crazy.

IMO this woman was not a close friend of JD at the time she went missing.

Rochlin (FO Family Court atty) I believe represented Guiliano's husband (S Reich who was/is? FO Realtor/Former FORE employee and whose letter is a Plaintiff exhibit in GF civil case).

The infamous social media posting episode that Rochlin was involved in I believe was with Guiliano.

MOO

 

[Jmoose]

I don’t know if this has already been answered, but it should be in the separation agreement how taxes would be handled- they could have filed married but I doubt it in their case, considering the level of dangerous conflict. I would think an arbitrator would have decided that they file separately. A very consequential decision is who gets to claim the children as dependents. I would think an arbitrator would give that to Jennifer. Non custodial fathers who actually pay support sometimes reasonably get the deduction, especially if it’s the primary income in their exes / kids HH. The income from which it is paid is taxable, but received child support is not taxable.

If there were no agreement, each would have to file. And whomever filed first would get away with the deductions for the kids initially. (Well, that is true even with an agreement.) But when the same kids are on more than one tax return as deductions, the IRS reacts immediately.

Glad to know that the IRS jumps on things like this-but as I read your post, I could just see FD taking the deductions for 5 kids anyway, even though JD may have had the right to, and even if she filed first. I have a feeling he hasn’t actually filed a return since 2016. I guess it will eventually come out in the book that somebody’s going to write about this case.

 

[citygirl]

The following two quotes from the article stand out to me. (BBM) yes - "appear" is a key word - IMO. Also, when reading JD's Blogs, I had the sense she often tried to placate FD. MOO!!

“Fotis can be very pleasant. He can be very calm and convincing and appear like an honorable man,” Guiliano said."

“I did see when the nanny dropped juice, I’ve given this example before, on the counter, you could see where Fotis’ language changed and his volume and Jennifer again was calming him. That’s what you do because you don’t want to be embarrassed in front of people,” Guiliano said."
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BBM.
I found this even more telling.
MOO.

 

[afitzy]

BBM.
I found this even more telling.
MOO.

IMO whatever you think of her she was brave to speak out. Her atty was just off screen in the interview telling her what she could/couldn't say. It sounded like the 2 husbands were friends and worked together and that is why they travelled together. MOO

 

[citygirl]

Both have been called to provide depositions in the GF/FORE civil case.

I believe FO has already been deposed but I'm not 100% certain. FO/Pattis made a comment at FO last court date in criminal proceedings that FO would like to be present at the deposition of MT in the civil matter with GF. I'm not sure but I believe he has the right to be there as he is a party to the civil litigation, IDK its a question for legal folks. FO has to get this approval to be in the same place as MT due to the no contact order that Bowman/MT had put in place in the MT criminal proceeding (Judge in FO criminal proceeding brought the no contact with MT and children/Faber family into FO criminal proceeding as well).

But Judge in FO criminal case said a motion would have to be submitted by Pattis, then Colangelo asked for time to respond as he is involved with the situation of the no contact order and then the Judge would have to rule. I would think that Bowman would be weighing in on this issue as well as MT is his client and he was the one that made original motion about no contact but I'm not sure how he does this as he/his client is not part of the FO criminal case.

Its a bit complicated as FO and MT are being tried in 2 separate criminal cases and there are 2 Judges etc. But I would expect Bowman to argue for the no contact order to stand and that FO should be excluded for MT deposition and of course Pattis will do the exact opposite as his clients rights are being violated by not being there and then the Judge will have to rule after hearing what State/Colangelo has to say about the matter.

FO I would think could waive his right to be present at MT deposition as could GF I would think. But I doubt FO will do this as Pattis hasn't been able to get FO + HO together and he has been working on it for 3 months now with zero success so he won't let this try go without a fight IMO. I'm not certain but I think if the Criminal Court Judge rules to keep the no contact order in place then the Civil Court has to follow along in this ruling but if a legal person can confirm/explain this it would be helpful as this is beyond my paygrade!

MOO

Not seeing why he should be present. Was she there when he gave his statements? Too many games being played.