Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #39

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As I read afitzy, Skylar, Tink56, Megnut, and so many others posts too many to name.....and IF NP, Fd, MT and any defense member are reading here, which I am SURE they are....they all better be shaking in their boots, shaking their heads, spinning their minds trying to figure out what to do next. WS has come up with concrete and solid evidence and theories, the defense has to know deep down in their minds that they are a sinking ship....and they do. It is a game to see if they can get away with anything. The Feds, State and Local LE are reading here too. WS has been helping them with all this info.
Gosh Trisha, where would we be without you and the mods....thank you for this site, for us to help the victims, their family and friends.

A new week. What will NP spew this week?
 
While building their case accusing Jennifer Dulos’s estranged husband of murdering her, the police impounded cars and seized dozens of electronic devices.

Additionally, they requested data from cellphone towers across Connecticut and asked Google and Waze whether anyone had searched for directions to Ms. Dulos’s suburban mansion in the hours after her disappearance.

But well before that, the police — responding to reports that Ms. Dulos, 50,
had disappeared shortly after dropping her children off at school — encountered a gruesome, bloody crime scene at her home in affluent New Canaan, Conn. They quickly concluded that she had suffered a violent attack there.

Those procedural details of the
rigorous investigation into Ms. Dulos’s disappearance in May were revealed last week, when a state judge unsealed 467 pages of search warrants that helped explain how officials came to charge her estranged husband, Fotis Dulos, 52, with murder and kidnapping despite not having recovered Ms. Dulos’s body.

Blood on the concrete floor’



The state police, in bringing murder charges against Mr. Dulos, said that Connecticut’s chief medical examiner had determined from blood evidence that Ms. Dulos’s injuries would have been “non-survivable.”
A history of domestic calls




Investigators first met with Mr. Dulos the day after Ms. Dulos was reported missing, but the search warrants suggested that he very quickly became the focus of their investigation.

Before her disappearance, Mr. and Ms. Dulos had been in the midst of a contentious divorce and custody battle for two years.
The court case involved hundreds of filings, many of them back-and-forth accusations. Ms. Dulos had been awarded primary custody of the couple’s five children.
NY Times:
Inside the Jennifer Dulos Murder Inquiry: What 5 Warrants Reveal
The bloody footprints? Did they say they ever found whose shoes they were, or the brand, size, etc?
 
True, but possible connections into the medical community in terms of supplies etc. could have value here as could possible connections into Miami/So. FL, Latin, Central and South America communities. Southern FL I believe retains the title as the capital of misuse of legal pharma drugs even after continued attempts by the US Govt to change the situation. The reality is that medical professionals are often part of the chain of illegal distribution of pharma drugs and its not just a FL issue, but a national issue.

I still am finding it stunning that at 45 yo. that MT cannot take care of herself or her life and now finds herself in the situation of having to be 'baby sat' by Mama A and also not have the financial wherewithal to take care of herself and is a single mother to boot. We see Mama A hoovering around MT like a hen taking care of a sick chick at court appearances and we see a zombie looking MT showing up in Court, appearance after appearance. As others (most notably gitana1) said, the 'MT Show' is most likely an act with an end game that is unclear and most recently included a visit to Stamford Hospital.

MT invested I guess nearly 4-5 years (depending on when affair started) in waiting for a guy that by all accounts in a pathological liar and a cheat. Her family seemed totally vested in the relationship and she moved her daughter into 4Jx practically as JFd and the 5 children were pulling out of the drive. I really wonder if MT realised that Fd was lying about the divorce and the money and that is what they were fighting about? Fd never ever demonstrated in Family Court that he had any willingness to end the the divorce. Never IMO. MT seemed to actively be fighting with Fd and pushing for finalization of the divorce so that she could accomplish her goals in the relationship, but it simply wasn't happening. But, if MT had any doubts about Fd telling the truth then why did she still stay? Did MT do many things that we aren't yet aware of and Fd held these actions over her head to compel her to stay? IDK. We saw a willing MT in the 123 Hunter escapade that smelled kinda like bank fraud and certainly seemed designed to circumvent financial reporting that Fd was required to make in Family Court too. Did MT think all these things were a joke or that by helping Fd she was getting revenge on JFd?

So, why stay? Divorce wasn't moving, money had to be tight and an issue and it didn't appear that MT was going to be "Queen of 4Jx" ever as it didn't even belong to Fd. Fd bank debt was ballooning and he was living off of credit cards which seemed to be kept current by magic (or more bank loans!).

Did MT realise that the house was owned 50:50 at one point and was a marital asset? I'm just baffled by her seeming stupidity in not doing basic due diligence on the guy she was with (I think she knew and yet still stayed)! Fd sent MT into the city allegedly to get info on HF will and probate matter. Yet, MT or Mama A couldn't take a trip down to the Stamford Courthouse and read just a bit about the Dulos divorce action which at that time would have been unsealed? It all seems simply hard to believe and improbable that MT didn't understand what was going on with Fd. Simply don't buy it.

Not only did MT stay in the relationship but she IMO was vested and involved in everything that seemed have happened with FORE and Fd and we see this play out over and over from AW1 to AW3 and it just keeps getting piled deeper and deeper for MT. MT appeared to feed the Fd ego, get the homebuilding awards and keep up the facade of FORE which was really a sham IMO, take care of the computers and knew the IT specialist and no doubt knew what was there as it appears she kept very close tabs on Fd and was quite jealous of JFd. We saw MT front and centre for the 123 Hunter transaction which had Fd giving her $75,000 cash for a downpayment etc. Was MT responsible for dealing directly with Sue Morin who was the bank officer at Farmington/People's Bank. How many other things did Fd have MT do over the years that we aren't even aware of yet?

Atty Bowman in Court last week I think had a total whopper when he said MT had no motive in this alleged murder of JFd. I absolutely disagree 1000%.

I've been wondering a lot about Atty Bowman and whether he is in control of his client or if others around MT are manipulating her situation and representation and he simply shows up for court dates? I do very much wonder if MT continues to lie not only to Atty Bowman but LE? No doubt Atty Bowman has been dealt a weak deck of cards with his client MT but her situation seems to be getting worse from a legal perspective and NOT better! It seems that possible State and Federal charges might be coming down the pike too and civil litigation with GF at some point for wrongful death also has to be inevitable. YET, Atty Bowman allowed his client to lie to LE for over 3 months. Why? I find it hard to believe he was so stupid as to not realise she way lying? Or, is he simply that disconnected from everything going on that he simply doesn't care and so is just going through the motion of seeing his client self sabotage and legally implode as seems to be playing out in front of our eyes in this tragic case. Its also baffling that Atty Bowman allows his client to chat and lie to LE while he himself says nothing. Given all the lying going on from his client its probably a safe move to not speak but when he does speak in court its to say something as unbelievable as "MT has no motive in this crime". If that is the strategy then I'm really curious why Atty Bowman things it might work, as there is nothing remotely believable about it at all given the situation and relationship with Fd. It was one thing when his client said she was on Albany blowing bubbles and speaking with Petu on the phone but AW3 made it clear that MT was out of the Raptor and participating in getting rid of evidence. The idea that she was emptying bags eliminates the ability to say she didn't know what was in her bags and the forensic evidence confirms this completely.

But what made the Atty Bowman statement about MT having no motive in this case so curious IMO is that he said it with zero affect as if it were a fact. It was then that I seriously questioned whether he understood his client or the situation at all or was he just that good of a fibber and was looking for any way in the world to diminish the role of his client in what seemed to be a giant pond of quicksand of growing evidence from the State and where with each passing day his client simply sunk deeper and deeper and yet STILL kept on lying to him (possibly) and LE?

MT had no motive? Really?

Why does Atty Bowman think MT stayed with Fd?

She was a 45 yo woman who by all accounts had a sketchy non existent work history, no professional credentials, didn't really appear to do much of anything at FORE and self described as a proud stay at home mom! Her morals were suspect based on the MSM reports of her flaunting her affair with Fd even whilst JFd was at 4Jx and god only knows about her ethics!

The MT child support would run out in 6 years or so and so how would she then support herself? Unknown. And yet, Atty Bowman says she has no motive! Ha!

I think its the oldest motive in the book, especially when the end goal is to not work and to not take responsibility for taking care of yourself financially.

To be fair, Fd was really no different than MT and this is why I think they were so well matched. Fd was also just a relationship grifter who really had no interest in work and found it simply easier to live off the wealth of others in order to survive.

Where BOTH Fd and MT made a mistake IMO was choosing to kill in order to not to have to work another day in their lives and I think any jury will see the very conscious relationship choices that BOTH Fd and MT made along the way and its disturbing to see Atty Bowman dismiss this fundamental fact about his client IMO.

I do believe that the trust funds set up for the Dulos children were some incentive to Fd and it was why the phone most likely was on during the Albany trip as he was waiting to hear from LA. But, I also believe that MT would never have stayed with Fd if she weren't aware of the money or the promise of money and a life of leisure. As by all accounts that is all MT was all about, a good time and party and she had no interest in working or taking care of herself or being a responsible person or parent IMO too and her relationship history was such that she had played the same game before.

By all accounts MT is simply a 45 yo single mother who functions as a child and has a history of latching on to married men who she then simply uses to take care of her financially. If you look at the MT history its quite clear and its baffling why Atty Bowman is choosing to not acknowledge it as it will be as clear as day to any jury member taking a good hard look at his client.

I'm not convinced Fd gave a rat's *advertiser censored* about MT even though he proclaimed to love her (or was enamoured by her), but I do think he wanted her around for his purposes as a playmate and as someone who seemed to do what she was told, although quite badly it seems as she couldn't even stay on script with the alibi scripts. But MT was in the relationship with Fd for a reason and had any number of times in the relationship when she could have simply left but made a conscious decision to stay and once she stayed she became intimately involved in what was going on in Fd's life (and by extension the life and death of JFd IMO).

Fd has been getting the press coverage due to his interviews and the ongoing issue of verbal diarrhea from Atty. P. and Pattisville in this case. But AW3 made it crystal clear IMO that MT was an actively involved co-conspirator who played a very critical role in the planning and execution of the alleged murder of JFd and was also deeply involved in the activities of FORE.

MOO
I don't think Bowman so much allowed his client to lie, but he clearly had (has?) no client control. It was obvious to everyone in the room that she was lying. With the additional issue of whether the Suburban she was known to drive being videotaped behind Jennifer's home still unanswered, his client's involvement in this murder has got to be weighing heavily on his mind. He must have been very, very uncomfortable listening to her lies, but not being able to stop her.

As the saying goes,"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." I think MT lied to Bowman from Day1; by her own admission FD drove her to Bowman's office the day they detailed EE's truck (talk about consciousness of guilt!) . Did Dulos also pay Bowman's retainer? Not improper, so long as Bowman's loyalty remains with MT's defense, but an indication that MT was toeing the Dulos line.

Will she ever tell the truth? Only time will tell. Like you, I believe her involvement is far more extensive than she is willing to admit, which is why she continues to lie. Her lies are coming in at her trial, though, and those lies are going to convict her.
 
True, but possible connections into the medical community in terms of supplies etc. could have value here as could possible connections into Miami/So. FL, Latin, Central and South America communities. Southern FL I believe retains the title as the capital of misuse of legal pharma drugs even after continued attempts by the US Govt to change the situation. The reality is that medical professionals are often part of the chain of illegal distribution of pharma drugs and its not just a FL issue, but a national issue.

I still am finding it stunning that at 45 yo. that MT cannot take care of herself or her life and now finds herself in the situation of having to be 'baby sat' by Mama A and also not have the financial wherewithal to take care of herself and is a single mother to boot. We see Mama A hoovering around MT like a hen taking care of a sick chick at court appearances and we see a zombie looking MT showing up in Court, appearance after appearance. As others (most notably gitana1) said, the 'MT Show' is most likely an act with an end game that is unclear and most recently included a visit to Stamford Hospital.

MT invested I guess nearly 4-5 years (depending on when affair started) in waiting for a guy that by all accounts in a pathological liar and a cheat. Her family seemed totally vested in the relationship and she moved her daughter into 4Jx practically as JFd and the 5 children were pulling out of the drive. I really wonder if MT realised that Fd was lying about the divorce and the money and that is what they were fighting about? Fd never ever demonstrated in Family Court that he had any willingness to end the the divorce. Never IMO. MT seemed to actively be fighting with Fd and pushing for finalization of the divorce so that she could accomplish her goals in the relationship, but it simply wasn't happening. But, if MT had any doubts about Fd telling the truth then why did she still stay? Did MT do many things that we aren't yet aware of and Fd held these actions over her head to compel her to stay? IDK. We saw a willing MT in the 123 Hunter escapade that smelled kinda like bank fraud and certainly seemed designed to circumvent financial reporting that Fd was required to make in Family Court too. Did MT think all these things were a joke or that by helping Fd she was getting revenge on JFd?

So, why stay? Divorce wasn't moving, money had to be tight and an issue and it didn't appear that MT was going to be "Queen of 4Jx" ever as it didn't even belong to Fd. Fd bank debt was ballooning and he was living off of credit cards which seemed to be kept current by magic (or more bank loans!).

Did MT realise that the house was owned 50:50 at one point and was a marital asset? I'm just baffled by her seeming stupidity in not doing basic due diligence on the guy she was with (I think she knew and yet still stayed)! Fd sent MT into the city allegedly to get info on HF will and probate matter. Yet, MT or Mama A couldn't take a trip down to the Stamford Courthouse and read just a bit about the Dulos divorce action which at that time would have been unsealed? It all seems simply hard to believe and improbable that MT didn't understand what was going on with Fd. Simply don't buy it.

Not only did MT stay in the relationship but she IMO was vested and involved in everything that seemed have happened with FORE and Fd and we see this play out over and over from AW1 to AW3 and it just keeps getting piled deeper and deeper for MT. MT appeared to feed the Fd ego, get the homebuilding awards and keep up the facade of FORE which was really a sham IMO, take care of the computers and knew the IT specialist and no doubt knew what was there as it appears she kept very close tabs on Fd and was quite jealous of JFd. We saw MT front and centre for the 123 Hunter transaction which had Fd giving her $75,000 cash for a downpayment etc. Was MT responsible for dealing directly with Sue Morin who was the bank officer at Farmington/People's Bank. How many other things did Fd have MT do over the years that we aren't even aware of yet?

Atty Bowman in Court last week I think had a total whopper when he said MT had no motive in this alleged murder of JFd. I absolutely disagree 1000%.

I've been wondering a lot about Atty Bowman and whether he is in control of his client or if others around MT are manipulating her situation and representation and he simply shows up for court dates? I do very much wonder if MT continues to lie not only to Atty Bowman but LE? No doubt Atty Bowman has been dealt a weak deck of cards with his client MT but her situation seems to be getting worse from a legal perspective and NOT better! It seems that possible State and Federal charges might be coming down the pike too and civil litigation with GF at some point for wrongful death also has to be inevitable. YET, Atty Bowman allowed his client to lie to LE for over 3 months. Why? I find it hard to believe he was so stupid as to not realise she way lying? Or, is he simply that disconnected from everything going on that he simply doesn't care and so is just going through the motion of seeing his client self sabotage and legally implode as seems to be playing out in front of our eyes in this tragic case. Its also baffling that Atty Bowman allows his client to chat and lie to LE while he himself says nothing. Given all the lying going on from his client its probably a safe move to not speak but when he does speak in court its to say something as unbelievable as "MT has no motive in this crime". If that is the strategy then I'm really curious why Atty Bowman things it might work, as there is nothing remotely believable about it at all given the situation and relationship with Fd. It was one thing when his client said she was on Albany blowing bubbles and speaking with Petu on the phone but AW3 made it clear that MT was out of the Raptor and participating in getting rid of evidence. The idea that she was emptying bags eliminates the ability to say she didn't know what was in her bags and the forensic evidence confirms this completely.

But what made the Atty Bowman statement about MT having no motive in this case so curious IMO is that he said it with zero affect as if it were a fact. It was then that I seriously questioned whether he understood his client or the situation at all or was he just that good of a fibber and was looking for any way in the world to diminish the role of his client in what seemed to be a giant pond of quicksand of growing evidence from the State and where with each passing day his client simply sunk deeper and deeper and yet STILL kept on lying to him (possibly) and LE?

MT had no motive? Really?

Why does Atty Bowman think MT stayed with Fd?

She was a 45 yo woman who by all accounts had a sketchy non existent work history, no professional credentials, didn't really appear to do much of anything at FORE and self described as a proud stay at home mom! Her morals were suspect based on the MSM reports of her flaunting her affair with Fd even whilst JFd was at 4Jx and god only knows about her ethics!

The MT child support would run out in 6 years or so and so how would she then support herself? Unknown. And yet, Atty Bowman says she has no motive! Ha!

I think its the oldest motive in the book, especially when the end goal is to not work and to not take responsibility for taking care of yourself financially.

To be fair, Fd was really no different than MT and this is why I think they were so well matched. Fd was also just a relationship grifter who really had no interest in work and found it simply easier to live off the wealth of others in order to survive.

Where BOTH Fd and MT made a mistake IMO was choosing to kill in order to not to have to work another day in their lives and I think any jury will see the very conscious relationship choices that BOTH Fd and MT made along the way and its disturbing to see Atty Bowman dismiss this fundamental fact about his client IMO.

I do believe that the trust funds set up for the Dulos children were some incentive to Fd and it was why the phone most likely was on during the Albany trip as he was waiting to hear from LA. But, I also believe that MT would never have stayed with Fd if she weren't aware of the money or the promise of money and a life of leisure. As by all accounts that is all MT was all about, a good time and party and she had no interest in working or taking care of herself or being a responsible person or parent IMO too and her relationship history was such that she had played the same game before.

By all accounts MT is simply a 45 yo single mother who functions as a child and has a history of latching on to married men who she then simply uses to take care of her financially. If you look at the MT history its quite clear and its baffling why Atty Bowman is choosing to not acknowledge it as it will be as clear as day to any jury member taking a good hard look at his client.

I'm not convinced Fd gave a rat's *advertiser censored* about MT even though he proclaimed to love her (or was enamoured by her), but I do think he wanted her around for his purposes as a playmate and as someone who seemed to do what she was told, although quite badly it seems as she couldn't even stay on script with the alibi scripts. But MT was in the relationship with Fd for a reason and had any number of times in the relationship when she could have simply left but made a conscious decision to stay and once she stayed she became intimately involved in what was going on in Fd's life (and by extension the life and death of JFd IMO).

Fd has been getting the press coverage due to his interviews and the ongoing issue of verbal diarrhea from Atty. P. and Pattisville in this case. But AW3 made it crystal clear IMO that MT was an actively involved co-conspirator who played a very critical role in the planning and execution of the alleged murder of JFd and was also deeply involved in the activities of FORE.

MOO
I don't think Bowman so much allowed his client to lie, but he clearly had (has?) no client control. It was obvious to everyone in the room that she was lying. With the additional issue of whether the Suburban she was known to drive being videotaped behind Jennifer's home still unanswered, his client's involvement in this murder has got to be weighing heavily on his mind. He must have been very, very uncomfortable listening to her lies, but not being able to stop her.

As the saying goes,"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." I think MT lied to Bowman from Day1; by her own admission FD drove her to Bowman's office the day they detailed EE's truck (talk about consciousness of guilt!) . Did Dulos also pay Bowman's retainer? Not improper, so long as Bowman's loyalty remains with MT's defense, but an indication that MT was toeing the Dulos line.

Will she ever tell the truth? Only time will tell. Like you, I believe her involvement is far more extensive than she is willing to admit, which is why she continues to lie. Her lies are coming in at her trial, though, and those lies are going to convict her.
 
While building their case accusing Jennifer Dulos’s estranged husband of murdering her, the police impounded cars and seized dozens of electronic devices.

Additionally, they requested data from cellphone towers across Connecticut and asked Google and Waze whether anyone had searched for directions to Ms. Dulos’s suburban mansion in the hours after her disappearance.

But well before that, the police — responding to reports that Ms. Dulos, 50,
had disappeared shortly after dropping her children off at school — encountered a gruesome, bloody crime scene at her home in affluent New Canaan, Conn. They quickly concluded that she had suffered a violent attack there.

Those procedural details of the
rigorous investigation into Ms. Dulos’s disappearance in May were revealed last week, when a state judge unsealed 467 pages of search warrants that helped explain how officials came to charge her estranged husband, Fotis Dulos, 52, with murder and kidnapping despite not having recovered Ms. Dulos’s body.

Blood on the concrete floor’



The state police, in bringing murder charges against Mr. Dulos, said that Connecticut’s chief medical examiner had determined from blood evidence that Ms. Dulos’s injuries would have been “non-survivable.”
A history of domestic calls




Investigators first met with Mr. Dulos the day after Ms. Dulos was reported missing, but the search warrants suggested that he very quickly became the focus of their investigation.

Before her disappearance, Mr. and Ms. Dulos had been in the midst of a contentious divorce and custody battle for two years.
The court case involved hundreds of filings, many of them back-and-forth accusations. Ms. Dulos had been awarded primary custody of the couple’s five children.
NY Times:
Inside the Jennifer Dulos Murder Inquiry: What 5 Warrants Reveal
The bloody footprints? Did they say they ever found whose shoes they were, or the brand, size, etc?
FD simply could not afford to let JFd go! She was the golden egg. His life was in financial shambles and it is even documented that he had told her he would never allow her to get a divorce. That is the entire reason he wanted them all to live together as one big happy family. Faber money could finance everything!


How much of that did MT realize? She worked in the Fore office so she must have known what the outgoing expenses were compared to the incoming. Was she really in on keeping the goose egg around so they could continue on with their jet-setting lifestyle? Some illicit funds that they could bank on seem more and more of a possibility also.


Notwithstanding. FD had dug himself into such a financial mess that he needed as much as he could get. Sending MT to NY to investigate Farber money was part of the plan also. He wanted to know how much he may be able to claim of her family money. Let’s say HF HAD included FD in his will, FD would have already been made aware and he would have received his funds. No, he wanted to know how much JFd was worth so he could plot ways of acquiring those funds. How did he explain this MT? The goal of the mission is far too obvious. It is very sinister to make a trip to NY to investigate the will of your boyfriend’s FIL. She had to have known and she was more than a willing participant.

Where was the Probate Court MT visited to investigate Farber estate? NYC? Westchester--White Plains? Was the date revealed?
 
JMO

I haven't given up the money shot -- MT staged to drive JF's Suburban out of her garage. The loose look-a-like imposter.

MT took over JF's husband, her marital home (4JC), despite court order sometimes her children. Taking over her Suburban for a short drive isn't a stretch.

MT wanted to take over JF's life. For this revenge plot, I put her in the driver's seat with FD, metaphorically. We may find out she was in the literal one too.

JMO
 
Absolutely agree! Fd undid months and months of Atty. P. PR work to make it seem that the relationship with JFd was cordial and that the divorce was simply moving along and going in Fd favour.

Poof, with his one single move of removing the memorial his rage and anger was clear for the entire world to see IMO.

Fd couldn't even give his presumed late wife a few candles and a few bouquets of flowers.

Nope. He didn't want her to have anything ever, even things left by strangers outside in remembrance of her and as acknowledgement of her 5 children.

Stunning to see but equally stunning was Atty. P. tone deafness here to not see the truly terrible thing that his client had done in not only removing the memorial but in violating his terms of release.

Its a good thing that Atty. P. and Fd didn't have "Waze" to blame for the 'detour' this time!

MOO
Here's excerpt from NY Daily News quoting judge's remarks on FD's angst about the memorial--after NP's spin on it:
“If he doesn’t like a memorial that’s been set up by his house, he can speak with others to help him deal with that,” the judge said, according to video of the hearing posted online by News 12 Connecticut."
I interpreted that to mean FD could seek professional help from a shrink or psycho-therapist.
 
Here's excerpt from NY Daily News quoting judge's remarks on FD's angst about the memorial--after NP's spin on it:
“If he doesn’t like a memorial that’s been set up by his house, he can speak with others to help him deal with that,” the judge said, according to video of the hearing posted online by News 12 Connecticut."
I interpreted that to mean FD could seek professional help from a shrink or psycho-therapist.

That’s how I took it, too.
 
I don't think Bowman so much allowed his client to lie, but he clearly had (has?) no client control. It was obvious to everyone in the room that she was lying. With the additional issue of whether the Suburban she was known to drive being videotaped behind Jennifer's home still unanswered, his client's involvement in this murder has got to be weighing heavily on his mind. He must have been very, very uncomfortable listening to her lies, but not being able to stop her.

As the saying goes,"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." I think MT lied to Bowman from Day1; by her own admission FD drove her to Bowman's office the day they detailed EE's truck (talk about consciousness of guilt!) . Did Dulos also pay Bowman's retainer? Not improper, so long as Bowman's loyalty remains with MT's defense, but an indication that MT was toeing the Dulos line.

Will she ever tell the truth? Only time will tell. Like you, I believe her involvement is far more extensive than she is willing to admit, which is why she continues to lie. Her lies are coming in at her trial, though, and those lies are going to convict her.
I also agree that Bowman has had no control over MT. She has obviously spewed one story after another. Do you all remember way back when they all met at Bowman’s office and everyone thought she was talking to LE for some sort of plea? And mommy was there at every step. Here’s the video on that.

 
I don't think Bowman so much allowed his client to lie, but he clearly had (has?) no client control. It was obvious to everyone in the room that she was lying. With the additional issue of whether the Suburban she was known to drive being videotaped behind Jennifer's home still unanswered, his client's involvement in this murder has got to be weighing heavily on his mind. He must have been very, very uncomfortable listening to her lies, but not being able to stop her.

As the saying goes,"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." I think MT lied to Bowman from Day1; by her own admission FD drove her to Bowman's office the day they detailed EE's truck (talk about consciousness of guilt!) . Did Dulos also pay Bowman's retainer? Not improper, so long as Bowman's loyalty remains with MT's defense, but an indication that MT was toeing the Dulos line.

Will she ever tell the truth? Only time will tell. Like you, I believe her involvement is far more extensive than she is willing to admit, which is why she continues to lie. Her lies are coming in at her trial, though, and those lies are going to convict her.

Big believer in the 'You and lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink' theory but I guess I wonder whether if this is the case then 'why let the horse talk if what they are spewing are lies and wasting LE resources and time'?

Where I am really struggling with Atty Bowman in a very big way is that he didn't just let his client lie once but it appears continuously for 3 long interviews with LE. I've seen attorneys abruptly end interviews on behalf of their clients and pause interviews or stop and reschedule depositions to regroup with their clients. Atty Bowman by all accounts did none of these things and let his client continue to lie (we do see him briefly asking a clarifying question to MT at one point but he otherwise appears to be absent or perhaps napping IDK!). Lying to LE is a punishable offence and yet MT (or Atty Bowman) haven't been charged for it multiple times (perhaps its a CT 'thing' where its ok to lie).

My other issue is CT LE resources are limited (its a small state) and so during a critical time in this investigation we see Atty Bowman allowing his client to lie to LE over a 3 month period. Say each meeting was 3 hrs of video testimony and that checking each statement made would take a multiple of that to verify by LE. MT and by extension Atty Bowman effectively WASTED and DISTRACTED critical LE resources in this investigation IMO.

IDK why MT AND Atty Bowman weren't charged for this offense of lying. Looking at LE questioning and lead in statements from the 2nd and 3rd MT interview it would have been obvious to anyone in the room that MT was lying. YET, Atty Bowman allows his client to continue to lie and sat there while she did so. Did Atty Bowman not realise she was lying (doubtful as we weren't there and its pretty clear to all here) or did he simply not care (this is disturbing if true as I'm not sure how it helps his client one bit and it certainly wasn't helping LE if that was one of the goals of the meetings).

In trying to put together the MT timeline I've sadly read these comments of hers from the meetings multiple times and I can truly say I have no clue why Atty Bowman allowed it to happen. Bad judgment perhaps? Was he trying to set the stage for a later suggestion of incompetence (hope not!) or diminished capacity (hope not!).

IDK, Atty Bowman is an experienced practitioner with Federal level experience who has been around the courthouse a time or 2 so, I remain confused by what he is doing with MT.

Most attys would be incendiary with a client that did the MT act once, some atty's would drop chronic liar clients believing they reflect poorly on them (I agree with this BTW as I think Atty Bowman looks at best like a stooge here and someone that perhaps ought to consider retirement pronto as he seems disengaged and not clued into the facts of the case - did he do ANYTHING to verify any of MT statements in advance of meeting with LE??? How could he be fooled by the 'alibi scripts'?) but most attys I think wouldn't have let the situation continue for 3 interviews over the course of many many hours.

This could all be just the way things work in CT too, attorneys show up and let their client do whatever with LE because they know that the lying to LE won't be punished. If thats true then the situation is a lot worse IMO than even we imagine based on everything that has been seen here in Family Court, Civil Court and now Criminal Court.

MOO!
 
I also agree that Bowman has had no control over MT. She has obviously spewed one story after another. Do you all remember way back when they all met at Bowman’s office and everyone thought she was talking to LE for some sort of plea? And mommy was there at every step. Here’s the video on that.

Yes, I believe that is also the video that captured a very harassed looking Atty Colangelo getting into his car after the meeting (not all the stations captured the Colangelo clip but to me it was quite telling as to the overall situation).

Hate to say it but I do very much believe that MT was told by someone simply to lie and do so over and over.

Guess we will have to wait and see where this gets MT with the judicial system.

Given how long the situation continued I don't think its logically possible to believe that MT atty didn't know what was going on and so in theory could have given the 'ok' to the strategy knowing that there would be no consequences of lying to LE in CT? The strategy could be to just spew nonsense and put the burden on LE to 'prove it' and Atty Bowman is putting his client into the hands of a jury and he might cynically believe MT won't be convicted by a jury 'of her peers'. If true, I find this quite sad as well.

IDK.

MOO
 
She said that Jennifer seemed kind of lonely and sad. She would reach out on occasion but generally was super busy managing all her kids and nannies. And she was very involved at Renbrook, the kids’ school. She mentioned to a mutual friend of Ls and hers that she did not think FD was faithful. Fotis was a hothead and would absolutely scream at and berate the other neighbor I know, who hates him and called the cops on him numerous times - for violating noise ordinances, operating business out of home etc. He confronted her in her driveway and threatened her. He hated her and she hated him and they both would complain to L about each other. His company built all four homes in the cul de sac and that was a problem BC there were various violations of wiring code, gas line digging etc. that losses off the neighbor.
Wow, thank you!
 
If you have 18 minutes, it's worth rewatching the video, the AW1 hearing, in the post above.

It's rich.

AND FOR THE RECORD, unprompted NP says something about "when there's a murder, following a contentious divorce" (paraphrase) of course everyone looks at the husband --

Up till that moment, he'd been saying missing, disappearance, no body, etc. That's a BAAAAAAAD slip of the truth -- I mean tongue -- for a defense attorney!

Also of note, FD hangs his head only one time. When the Judge refuses the defense's request to HOLD FD's 401K (which he was preparing to put up as collateral essentially for his bondsman), so that, should FD skate clear of his charges, he wouldn't have any penalties against early withdrawal on his 401. It was the bondsman making this request/condition, as represented by NP.

FD doesn't seem to mind losing other people's money, but the thought he'd lose his OWN money? Head sunk.

He seemed rather bored by the rest IMO.

Except I'd like to note -- as MT is leaving court, and he is entering, he gives a wipe sweep with his eyes. I wasn't there but IMO he was hoping to make eye contact with MT.

NP does a good job (and I say that facetiously) of laying what it would take to convict him which is GREAT NEWS because AW 2 and AW3 cover all that.

Thank you, NP, for convicting your client for us.

We understand. The evidence rather speaks for itself.

NP might want to consider talking less.

JMO
 
What ever happened to the 401K at Fidelity that ole FD had NP begging (and I really mean pleading) to control during his arraignment on June 11th?

As a "guess", majority of those funds came directly from the JFd family.....since he never worked for long before starting the great shell game/Foreidiots Inc

He sure wanted to make sure no one was able to touch the account but his attorneys!


Found at 13:40

Sorry. Forgot to link the post/video. Good post @NameisNobody!
 
True, but possible connections into the medical community in terms of supplies etc. could have value here as could possible connections into Miami/So. FL, Latin, Central and South America communities. Southern FL I believe retains the title as the capital of misuse of legal pharma drugs even after continued attempts by the US Govt to change the situation. The reality is that medical professionals are often part of the chain of illegal distribution of pharma drugs and its not just a FL issue, but a national issue.

I still am finding it stunning that at 45 yo. that MT cannot take care of herself or her life and now finds herself in the situation of having to be 'baby sat' by Mama A and also not have the financial wherewithal to take care of herself and is a single mother to boot. We see Mama A hoovering around MT like a hen taking care of a sick chick at court appearances and we see a zombie looking MT showing up in Court, appearance after appearance. As others (most notably gitana1) said, the 'MT Show' is most likely an act with an end game that is unclear and most recently included a visit to Stamford Hospital.

MT invested I guess nearly 4-5 years (depending on when affair started) in waiting for a guy that by all accounts in a pathological liar and a cheat. Her family seemed totally vested in the relationship and she moved her daughter into 4Jx practically as JFd and the 5 children were pulling out of the drive. I really wonder if MT realised that Fd was lying about the divorce and the money and that is what they were fighting about? Fd never ever demonstrated in Family Court that he had any willingness to end the the divorce. Never IMO. MT seemed to actively be fighting with Fd and pushing for finalization of the divorce so that she could accomplish her goals in the relationship, but it simply wasn't happening. But, if MT had any doubts about Fd telling the truth then why did she still stay? Did MT do many things that we aren't yet aware of and Fd held these actions over her head to compel her to stay? IDK. We saw a willing MT in the 123 Hunter escapade that smelled kinda like bank fraud and certainly seemed designed to circumvent financial reporting that Fd was required to make in Family Court too. Did MT think all these things were a joke or that by helping Fd she was getting revenge on JFd?

So, why stay? Divorce wasn't moving, money had to be tight and an issue and it didn't appear that MT was going to be "Queen of 4Jx" ever as it didn't even belong to Fd. Fd bank debt was ballooning and he was living off of credit cards which seemed to be kept current by magic (or more bank loans!).

Did MT realise that the house was owned 50:50 at one point and was a marital asset? I'm just baffled by her seeming stupidity in not doing basic due diligence on the guy she was with (I think she knew and yet still stayed)! Fd sent MT into the city allegedly to get info on HF will and probate matter. Yet, MT or Mama A couldn't take a trip down to the Stamford Courthouse and read just a bit about the Dulos divorce action which at that time would have been unsealed? It all seems simply hard to believe and improbable that MT didn't understand what was going on with Fd. Simply don't buy it.

Not only did MT stay in the relationship but she IMO was vested and involved in everything that seemed have happened with FORE and Fd and we see this play out over and over from AW1 to AW3 and it just keeps getting piled deeper and deeper for MT. MT appeared to feed the Fd ego, get the homebuilding awards and keep up the facade of FORE which was really a sham IMO, take care of the computers and knew the IT specialist and no doubt knew what was there as it appears she kept very close tabs on Fd and was quite jealous of JFd. We saw MT front and centre for the 123 Hunter transaction which had Fd giving her $75,000 cash for a downpayment etc. Was MT responsible for dealing directly with Sue Morin who was the bank officer at Farmington/People's Bank. How many other things did Fd have MT do over the years that we aren't even aware of yet?

Atty Bowman in Court last week I think had a total whopper when he said MT had no motive in this alleged murder of JFd. I absolutely disagree 1000%.

I've been wondering a lot about Atty Bowman and whether he is in control of his client or if others around MT are manipulating her situation and representation and he simply shows up for court dates? I do very much wonder if MT continues to lie not only to Atty Bowman but LE? No doubt Atty Bowman has been dealt a weak deck of cards with his client MT but her situation seems to be getting worse from a legal perspective and NOT better! It seems that possible State and Federal charges might be coming down the pike too and civil litigation with GF at some point for wrongful death also has to be inevitable. YET, Atty Bowman allowed his client to lie to LE for over 3 months. Why? I find it hard to believe he was so stupid as to not realise she way lying? Or, is he simply that disconnected from everything going on that he simply doesn't care and so is just going through the motion of seeing his client self sabotage and legally implode as seems to be playing out in front of our eyes in this tragic case. Its also baffling that Atty Bowman allows his client to chat and lie to LE while he himself says nothing. Given all the lying going on from his client its probably a safe move to not speak but when he does speak in court its to say something as unbelievable as "MT has no motive in this crime". If that is the strategy then I'm really curious why Atty Bowman things it might work, as there is nothing remotely believable about it at all given the situation and relationship with Fd. It was one thing when his client said she was on Albany blowing bubbles and speaking with Petu on the phone but AW3 made it clear that MT was out of the Raptor and participating in getting rid of evidence. The idea that she was emptying bags eliminates the ability to say she didn't know what was in her bags and the forensic evidence confirms this completely.

But what made the Atty Bowman statement about MT having no motive in this case so curious IMO is that he said it with zero affect as if it were a fact. It was then that I seriously questioned whether he understood his client or the situation at all or was he just that good of a fibber and was looking for any way in the world to diminish the role of his client in what seemed to be a giant pond of quicksand of growing evidence from the State and where with each passing day his client simply sunk deeper and deeper and yet STILL kept on lying to him (possibly) and LE?

MT had no motive? Really?

Why does Atty Bowman think MT stayed with Fd?

She was a 45 yo woman who by all accounts had a sketchy non existent work history, no professional credentials, didn't really appear to do much of anything at FORE and self described as a proud stay at home mom! Her morals were suspect based on the MSM reports of her flaunting her affair with Fd even whilst JFd was at 4Jx and god only knows about her ethics!

The MT child support would run out in 6 years or so and so how would she then support herself? Unknown. And yet, Atty Bowman says she has no motive! Ha!

I think its the oldest motive in the book, especially when the end goal is to not work and to not take responsibility for taking care of yourself financially.

To be fair, Fd was really no different than MT and this is why I think they were so well matched. Fd was also just a relationship grifter who really had no interest in work and found it simply easier to live off the wealth of others in order to survive.

Where BOTH Fd and MT made a mistake IMO was choosing to kill in order to not to have to work another day in their lives and I think any jury will see the very conscious relationship choices that BOTH Fd and MT made along the way and its disturbing to see Atty Bowman dismiss this fundamental fact about his client IMO.

I do believe that the trust funds set up for the Dulos children were some incentive to Fd and it was why the phone most likely was on during the Albany trip as he was waiting to hear from LA. But, I also believe that MT would never have stayed with Fd if she weren't aware of the money or the promise of money and a life of leisure. As by all accounts that is all MT was all about, a good time and party and she had no interest in working or taking care of herself or being a responsible person or parent IMO too and her relationship history was such that she had played the same game before.

By all accounts MT is simply a 45 yo single mother who functions as a child and has a history of latching on to married men who she then simply uses to take care of her financially. If you look at the MT history its quite clear and its baffling why Atty Bowman is choosing to not acknowledge it as it will be as clear as day to any jury member taking a good hard look at his client.

I'm not convinced Fd gave a rat's *advertiser censored* about MT even though he proclaimed to love her (or was enamoured by her), but I do think he wanted her around for his purposes as a playmate and as someone who seemed to do what she was told, although quite badly it seems as she couldn't even stay on script with the alibi scripts. But MT was in the relationship with Fd for a reason and had any number of times in the relationship when she could have simply left but made a conscious decision to stay and once she stayed she became intimately involved in what was going on in Fd's life (and by extension the life and death of JFd IMO).

Fd has been getting the press coverage due to his interviews and the ongoing issue of verbal diarrhea from Atty. P. and Pattisville in this case. But AW3 made it crystal clear IMO that MT was an actively involved co-conspirator who played a very critical role in the planning and execution of the alleged murder of JFd and was also deeply involved in the activities of FORE.

MOO
Curious, did MT ever work for a company that had nothing to do with whom she was having a relationship with? What is her background? College degree? Internship? Best friend? Who knows this woman?
 
If you have 18 minutes, it's worth rewatching the video, the AW1 hearing, in the post above.

It's rich.

AND FOR THE RECORD, unprompted NP says something about "when there's a murder, following a contentious divorce" (paraphrase) of course everyone looks at the husband --

Up till that moment, he'd been saying missing, disappearance, no body, etc. That's a BAAAAAAAD slip of the truth -- I mean tongue -- for a defense attorney!

Also of note, FD hangs his head only one time. When the Judge refuses the defense's request to HOLD FD's 401K (which he was preparing to put up as collateral essentially for his bondsman), so that, should FD skate clear of his charges, he wouldn't have any penalties against early withdrawal on his 401. It was the bondsman making this request/condition, as represented by NP.

FD doesn't seem to mind losing other people's money, but the thought he'd lose his OWN money? Head sunk.

He seemed rather bored by the rest IMO.

Except I'd like to note -- as MT is leaving court, and he is entering, he gives a wipe sweep with his eyes. I wasn't there but IMO he was hoping to make eye contact with MT.

NP does a good job (and I say that facetiously) of laying what it would take to convict him which is GREAT NEWS because AW 2 and AW3 cover all that.

Thank you, NP, for convicting your client for us.

We understand. The evidence rather speaks for itself.

NP might want to consider talking less.

JMO
What a tool NP is, and yet I'm happy he is a tool. I just know he replays that over and over in his head. Haha
 
MT is probably not very complicated. A shiftshaper of sorts. Gets her value by getting the man. She's a great match for a woman-hater IMO because, at the root, she's one too. Stealing a man from another woman, in her mind, makes her the better woman. Delusional for sure.... but it could explain a lot. Based on what I see, she's an underdeveloped adult. Locks onto a man because she has to. Without one, she doesn't know who she is.

JMO JMO JMO
 
Here's excerpt from NY Daily News quoting judge's remarks on FD's angst about the memorial--after NP's spin on it:
“If he doesn’t like a memorial that’s been set up by his house, he can speak with others to help him deal with that,” the judge said, according to video of the hearing posted online by News 12 Connecticut."
I interpreted that to mean FD could seek professional help from a shrink or psycho-therapist.
I agree that's what the judge was suggesting. We all know FD has major impulse control!
 
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