Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #41

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oceancalling said:
Not at all. He is the ultimate control freak, and let's not forget. He KNOWS he is guilty, and this suicide attempt is more evidence of his consciousness of guilt IMO. He never intended to be incarcerated again; I have expressed my opinion here before that he was testing the system, to determine its weak links (for purposes of escape), but he was unsuccessful in doing so. What is the ultimate control and escape? Suicide.

This man is a very damaged individual, who has been able to manipulate the legal system for many years. No doubt he was aided by his lawyers (these lawyers IMO are NOT representative of most lawyers), who supported the false narrative that Dulos was the victim. So couple his malignant narcissism with his need to control and escape the situation he has placed himself in, with his dawning knowledge that he was going to be incarcerated, and it becomes clear he was always a suicide risk. I would not be surprised to learn that this plan, like his plan to murder Jennifer, was well thought out in advance. The guy was never going to let anyone be the boss of him. If he recovers, he should be detained for his own safety, and closely monitored IMO.

The timing of this attempt, though, has got to be tied to the fact that he knew the jig was up. The house of cards was tumbling down such that Dulos must have thought he days of freedom were coming to an end. One way or the other, though, Dulos was never going to face the justice he deserved. MOO! MOO!
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With you on testing the system.

I keep going through the timeline of yesterday and so far as I can tell the only people apparently NOT looking for Fd at Noon in Stamford were Atty Colangelo and CSP. Why?

I know if I were Judge White I would be incendiary and ditto for Atty Colangelo. Yet, it wasn't the tracking people that apparently alerted on Fd not being where he was supposed to be yesterday IMO based on the reporting we saw yesterday. Why?

Maybe we don't have the full story but I do hope Judge White investigates what is going on the with monitoring as I'm not convinced that Judge Blawie and Atty Colangelo resolved the monitoring situation following the previous Fd 'detour' into Westchester County.

Yesterday we saw the bail person most likely make the call to Farmington PD for the wellness check at 11:54am and then we have Atty Smith in Stamford getting concerned that his client was nowhere to be seen at 12:15pm. Atty Smith was baffled to not see his client in Stamford IMO.

Monitoring folks had to have approved the departure from 4Jx to Stamford and so with real time tracking would have be alerted that Fd had left 4Jx. Fd NEVER left 4Jx yesterday (except by ambulance) and so I wonder where the monitoring people were and why CSP weren't on top of the Fd movements yesterday. Clearly the results of not being on top of the bracelet situation IMO speak for themselves and have been played out now for nearly 24 hrs. with continual media coverage.

The travel time from Farmington was known and the location of Fd and time he was due in Stamford IMO was also known. Yet why did it appear that nobody knew that Fd didn't depart 4Jx in time to make it to Stamford yesterday? Real time tracking capabilities exist with the bracelet and that was how it was able to be determined that Fd had never left 4Jx. But what is the point of having the technology with the bracelet if its not being utilised properly to track a person accused of murder who has a vested interest IMO of flight?

What I wonder also is if nobody on the monitoring side was watching Fd yesterday to make sure he left 4Jx as scheduled, who is to say that at somewhere between 10 (possibly when the person staying with him left 4Jx) and 10:30 am (when he got phone call from the Hartford bail person) instead of trying to commit suicide he simply got in his car and went to the local airfield and got in a plane and simply headed north or for parts unknown. Fd yesterday IMO could have escaped and had at least a 1.5-2 hr jump on LE and it appears that CSP and Atty Colangelo would never have known.

Yesterday was interesting because there was a fixed time where many people were looking for Fd (he was supposed to be in Court for his hearing at noon). Whats also interesting is that Fd had to get approval to leave 4Jx and drive to Stamford and be there for a period of time (assume 1.5 hrs on the road). This put Fd on the roads in CT and if he had gotten in his car yesterday and based on what it seems like might be going on with the monitoring, I'm not at all sure he couldn't have also driven in a totally different direction for a good long time before someone figured out what was going on and attempted to find him?

I find this quite disturbing and I have to say that I don't have much confidence in what we are seeing regarding the bracelet monitoring! The tech on the bracelets is quite clear and we have discussed them endlessly here on WS. But if nobody is watching then what is the point of the bracelets?

I hope Judge White or someone in Hartford or Stamford tracking this case investigates what happened yesterday and how so much time was allowed to Fd without apparent supervision and not following his prearranged travel plan without seeing CSP showing up at 4JX. IMO CSP should have been at 4jx if there was no alert that Fd had left 4Jx by 10:30am. Instead, we saw Farmington PD scrambling to enter 4Jx shortly after 12:00pm.

Not sure what is going on but little about this timeline and tracking makes much sense to me. The Judge released Fd with very serious charges and took it for granted that he was being monitored. Now, it appears that this might not have happened in the way that the Judge expected.

Hartford I think we just might have a problem here!!!!!!!


MOO
 
afitzy said:
@Woodswarrior, Welcome!

I am alternatively disgusted, angry, fed up and highly annoyed by 'ole Atty. P. but I absolutely don't underestimate his ability to attempt to create reasonable doubt. My issues of whether he is giving his client here solid and competent representation is another issue entirely and not really what I think you are referring to in your OP.

The thing though is that with all the wild Atty. P. theories (I've been able to count 6 major ones) none that I can see appear plausible given the evidence presented in the AWs.

I'm absolutely open to hearing how you would 'explain away almost everything' presented so far by the State as evidence against the 3 people charged.

We've now spent 40 threads talking about the evidence and theories and so there is a large group of folks here that I'm sure would love nothing more than to hear yours now.

You don't have to present a complete theory but perhaps pick a piece of something presented as evidence and go from there. I have to admit to being quite curious as to what you will come up with!

MOO
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Hi @afitzy, I’ve been following this ws thread since July just recently joined.Im truly honored by your welcoming me.I believe fd is guilty and want nothing more than to watch him go to jail for life. It aggravates me of his attempted suicide because he is a coward and took the easy way out!
How ever I’ve watched so much true crime related shows, Documentaries Including nearly the whole oj Simpson case on live televised court,that I come to realize that no case is a slam dunk no matter how compelling the evidence. Sleaze bag attorneys like norm who represent killers like fd will stop at nothing to get a acquittal.
Np in one light is a pompas(redacted) for sure.But I recall a poster who said that her law professor said that np is fd best chance of a innocent finding.and I believe it. I’m glad of all the mistakes he has made in public opinion but there comes a point where it just np and 12 jurors. We don’t know how much or what evidence he gets thrown out but I think some will,that being said.
Here is what I think norms explanation for dna at Wells could be.dna on door knob is from who ever picked up his used plate on the 22nd and carried It into the house got some of his dna on their fingers and transferred to door knob.on the faucet back splash while washing the plate some dna got on faucet. Do you and I believe this?no!! But compelled with more and more doubt brought out by np could it convince one juror? Who knows. He will spin doubt into everything,do I believe that doubt should supersede fact?NO!!!! But we’ve seen it turn jurors before.
 
Jmoose said:
I am curious about the fact that Fd had to go scrambling around for a new bail bondsman-Matuzick from Capitol Bail Bonds said Fd called him shortly before 10:00am yesterday. Is this not something that the lawyer’s office should doing? I mean, don’t they get paid for this? Nevermind that Fd is probably not still paying them, but they are still engaged in the process of defending him. This, along with the fact that he was left on his own to make his way to court, is telling me that there is some kind of problem between Fd and the law office. Something is out of the ordinary here, with an accused murderer.
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Yes, I'm thinking like you. Had NP already
alluded to FD that the green was slowing down
and they may need to abbreviate so much hand holding and service. Remember way back several of us predicted when FD couldn't pay
NP, we would see diminished services. Well I
think this happened this week. Money flow to
law office stopped and thus FD was left hanging and driving himself to court, arranging his own bond, etc. This may have also contributed to FD's fear of hanging on all alone, if his atty. was cutting the cord. moo
 
oceancalling said:
Not at all. He is the ultimate control freak, and let's not forget. He KNOWS he is guilty, and this suicide attempt is more evidence of his consciousness of guilt IMO. He never intended to be incarcerated again; I have expressed my opinion here before that he was testing the system, to determine its weak links (for purposes of escape), but he was unsuccessful in doing so. What is the ultimate control and escape? Suicide.


This man is a very damaged individual, who has been able to manipulate the legal system for many years. No doubt he was aided by his lawyers (these lawyers IMO are NOT representative of most lawyers), who supported the false narrative that Dulos was the victim. So couple his malignant narcissism with his need to control and escape the situation he has placed himself in, with his dawning knowledge that he was going to be incarcerated, and it becomes clear he was always a suicide risk. I would not be surprised to learn that this plan, like his plan to murder Jennifer, was well thought out in advance. The guy was never going to let anyone be the boss of him. If he recovers, he should be detained for his own safety, and closely monitored IMO.


The timing of this attempt, though, has got to be tied to the fact that he knew the jig was up. The house of cards was tumbling down such that Dulos must have thought he days of freedom were coming to an end. One way or the other, though, Dulos was never going to face the justice he deserved. MOO! MOO!
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With you on testing the system. I'm concerned that yesterday the system might have failed and allowed Fd the time to make an attempt on his life.


I keep going through the timeline of yesterday and so far as I can tell the only people apparently NOT looking for Fd at Noon in Stamford were Atty Colangelo and CSP. Why?


I know if I were Judge White I would be incendiary and ditto for Atty Colangelo. Yet, it wasn't the tracking people that apparently alerted on Fd not being where he was supposed to be yesterday IMO based on the reporting we saw yesterday. Why?


Maybe we don't have the full story but I do hope Judge White investigates what is going on the with monitoring as I'm not convinced that Judge Blawie and Atty Colangelo resolved the monitoring situation following the previous Fd 'detour' into Westchester County.


Yesterday we saw the bail person most likely make the call to Farmington PD for the wellness check at 11:54am and then we have Atty Smith in Stamford getting concerned that his client was nowhere to be seen at 12:15pm. Atty Smith was baffled to not see his client in Stamford IMO.


Monitoring folks had to have approved the departure from 4Jx to Stamford and so with real time tracking would have been alerted that Fd had left 4Jx (house arrest zone established by Judge Blawie). Fd NEVER left 4Jx yesterday (except by ambulance) and so I wonder where the monitoring people were and why CSP weren't on top of the Fd movements yesterday?

Clearly the results of not being on top of the bracelet situation IMO speak for themselves and have been played out now for nearly 24 hrs. with continual media coverage.


The travel time from Farmington was known and the location of Fd and time he was due in Stamford IMO was also known. Yet why did it appear that nobody knew that Fd didn't depart 4Jx in time to make it to Stamford yesterday? Real time tracking capabilities exist with the bracelet and that was how it was able to be determined that Fd had never left 4Jx. But what is the point of having the technology with the bracelet if its not being utilised properly to track a person accused of murder who has a vested interest IMO of flight?


What I wonder also is if nobody on the monitoring side was watching Fd yesterday to make sure he left 4Jx as scheduled, who is to say that at somewhere between 10 (possibly when the person staying with him left 4Jx) and 10:30 am (when he got phone call from the Hartford bail person) instead of trying to commit suicide he simply got in his car and went to the local airfield and got in a plane and simply headed north or for parts unknown. Fd yesterday IMO could have escaped and had at least a 1.5-2 hr jump on LE and it appears that CSP and Atty Colangelo would never have known.


Yesterday was interesting because there was a fixed time where many people were looking for Fd (he was supposed to be in Court for his hearing at noon). Whats also interesting is that Fd had to get approval to leave 4Jx and drive to Stamford and be there for a period of time (assume 1.5 hrs on the road). This put Fd on the roads in CT and if he had gotten in his car yesterday and based on what it seems like might be going on with the monitoring, I'm not at all sure he couldn't have also driven in a totally different direction for a good long time before someone figured out what was going on and attempted to find him?


I find this quite disturbing and I have to say that I don't have much confidence in what we are seeing regarding the bracelet monitoring! The tech on the bracelets is quite clear and we have discussed them endlessly here on WS. But if nobody is watching then what is the point of the bracelets?


I hope Judge White or someone in Hartford or Stamford tracking this case investigates what happened yesterday and how so much time was allowed to Fd without apparent supervision and not following his prearranged travel plan without seeing CSP showing up at 4JX. IMO CSP should have been at 4jx if there was no alert that Fd had left 4Jx by 10:30am. Instead, we saw Farmington PD scrambling to enter 4Jx shortly after 12:00pm.


Not sure what is going on but little about this timeline and tracking makes much sense to me. The Judge released Fd with very serious charges and took it for granted that he was being monitored. Now, it appears that this might not have happened in the way that the Judge expected.


Hartford I think we just might have a problem here!!!!!!!

PS. Has the location of MT been confirmed since we saw what happened yesterday?



MOO
 
dlharris2712 said:
Question though...we ALL know FD doesn't like to get his hands dirty. I have to laugh at the image of him pulling heavy wood in front of the garage doors and having to get down on his hands and knees to hook up the hose to the pipe. Plus, the tailpipe would have been dirty and he needed a clamp to keep the hose on. I wonder if he wore gloves to keep his manicured fingers and hands clean...? Poor FD...got all dirty and his plan didn't work. What a tool!!! jmo (I'm mean).
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Yeah, I would have taken him for a clean noose kinda guy.
 
sds71 said:
@SabinaKuriakose
The state has officially filed its motion to REVOKE bond for Fotis Dulos. Judge Gary White will rule at today’s 2pm hearing
@WTNH
We are expecting the state’s attorney and lawyers for Dulos to argue the issue as Dulos continues to recover.
Palmetto Insurance’s risk analyst discovered Dulos’s Farmington home and the Sturbridge Hill Rd New Canaan home were in foreclosure, and NC home was also OVERVALUED by $300k when the bond was first posted
@WTNH
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Finally a lil late but finally, if fd is in as bad of shape like reported on life support etc it really doesn’t matter he is not leaving the hospital.
 
So I kept thinking and thinking last night… I truly think FD meant to take his own life… He had this plan in his head with a goal to execute it if it became necessary. I don’t think he was playing around yesterday for attention or drama. Some of the things that made me come to that conclusion are as follows:

  1. He answered phone call around 10:30 AM (can’t remember exact time) and was out of breath. He stated that everything was set and gave no indication that anything was wrong (as far as we know). Rapid breathing and shortness of breath are symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning. He was in the process, I think. IMO, he just wanted people off his back. If he would have not answered the phone call, it may have caused concern and let to someone checking on him. He didn’t call/text someone to say “Hey, I am getting ready to kill myself”… which we see commonly in suicide attempts that are a “cry for help”.



  2. As far as we know, he has no history of suicide attempts. We don’t know of any gestures/attempts during this investigation and life had become increasingly more stressful for him (due to his own decisions and deeds, of course). I think we would have seen suicidal gestures/attempts prior to yesterday, if he had a tendency towards acting in this way.



  3. This was a fairly lethal attempt… Death can result from only a few minutes of exposure to higher concentrations of carbon monoxide or from an hour of exposure to lower levels. We know from research that narcissists attempt less, but when they attempt is less impulsive and more lethal.


Of course, there is a lot we don’t know, e.g., woman/girlfriend – What was she doing?, How long was she expected to be gone? etc. etc. etc. Overall, I believe, we have much more evidence that FD meant to complete and that this was not just a “cry for help”.

I found this information interesting:

In contrast to the certainty of using a firearm, each year thousands of people deliberately inhale carbon monoxide (CO) in order to end their lives, usually via the exhaust fumes from their own cars while sitting at home in their own garage. For example, out of all of the fatal CO poisonings in Utah between 1996 and 2013, 70% were due to suicides. The incidence of successful CO-induced suicide has actually declined due to strict federal CO emissions standards for motor vehicles following the Clean Air Act of 1970 and the widespread presence of catalytic converters. One recent study examined the CO levels in a standard size garage after 20 minutes. The CO level was 253 PPM for a car without a catalytic converter and 30 PPM for the car equipped with one. Emissions controls on automobiles have thus significantly reduced the success rates of CO related suicides. Subsequently, although thousands of people every year attempt suicide by this widely familiar method, a greater percentage of them survive the attempt.

I just think that FD had limited means and liked the idea of falling asleep and not waking up…

Resources:

https://www.health.harvard.edu/a_to_z/carbon-monoxide-poisoning-a-to-z

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-brain-food/201705/how-suicide-attempt-can-affect-the-brain
 
Herat said:
The hospital has protocols to deal with all this and regardless of what we think of this man, the hospital is required to deliver confidential and respectful care.

I do worry that the Greek family will have unrealistic expectations ( perhaps fostered by NP) about the potential for recovery, and perhaps the $$ that THEY might be able to get out of this.

Of course, if NP feels the $$$ slipping away he might not be so ardent in his talks with the family. I sure don't want this to end up like the Jahi McMath disaster in Oakland where the unfortunate girl lived 5 years on life suppport because her family wouldn't accept reality, and there was a lawyer involved.

I also think NP is planning on making $$ off of FD through a book. He, of all peope, should know there is no money in FD's estate and even though NP might claim to be first in line, GF will make sure the children are made heirs, if at all possible. I just hope the Greek relatives don't push to have the children visit them or visit FD in the hospital , over GF's wishes.

What a nasty mess FD made of all his life
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yes absolutely... they could keep him alive for years. Selling interviews and books and .. ugh.
 
kpm said:
Dulos, 52, accused of killing his estranged wife, Jennifer Dulos, remains in critical condition and on life support at Jacobi Medical Center in Bronx, N.Y.

On life support, Fotis Dulos remains critical; police back at house
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Okay, does anyone know who is in control of FD’s medical care/decisions right now? For example, if he had a “living will”, could that person decide to “pull the plug” now and end FD’s life and his involvement in this case or does LE have any power to prevent that from happening?
 
MollyDDD said:
Okay, does anyone know who is in control of FD’s medical care/decisions right now? For example, if he had a “living will”, could that person decide to “pull the plug” now and end FD’s life and his involvement in this case or does LE have any power to prevent that from happening?
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I’m not sure.
Since his next of kin are minors
It should be his sister
 
Fotis Dulos in Critical Condition in NYC Hospital ICU After Suicide Attempt I think that physicians are waiting for his family to gather from Greece for a decision to be made to remove life support. I have worked all my life with brain injured people, near drownings, and other oxygen deprived conditions and I honestly cannot see how he did not suffer massive brain damage from this.
 
MollyDDD said:
Okay, so if bond is revoked, do they wheel him back into jail cell, or at least the prison infirmary? IMO, he certainly should be. But then, this is CT we’re talking about and they seem to enjoy coddling their criminals. Yeah, they’ll probably out him up in a private nursing home with all of the bells and whistles he has become accustomed to.
They treat him like a celebrity!
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@MollyDDD, your avatars continue to inspire avatar envy! Miss the devil though so hope he makes a return appearance!

Yesterday one of the many folks interviewed thought that if Fd recovers that he would go here for psychiatric evaluation and monitoring. Its unclear if there is room at this facility as it supposedly operates at close to capacity. Perhaps we will see this all discussed today as I think Fd days of 'house arrest' are done and today we get to see if Judge White will follow through on his prior statements about bond violations (technically yesterday I believe Fd did violate his bond as he was supposed to be driving himself to Stamford and chose do instead try to kill himself!):

Whiting Forensic Hospital
 
Topppps said:
He new about the night before not much notice
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No he didn't know the night before. Colangelo was notified of the emergency bond hearing at 8:30am on the 28th and then called Norm Pattis around 9 am. I think we can safely say that NP probably hung up with Colangelo and immediately called FD. So IMO, FD only found out about this issue probably no later than 9:30am... In which, he would have a small window of opportunity to get himself all prettied up for court and then drive (on his own - SMDH) the 1.5 hours or so that it takes to get to Stamford. By 10:30-10:45, someone should have been asking if he left yet and his boss monitor would be the easiest way to find out.... Somewhere there was a disconnect... Once he failed to leave 4JX in a timely manner to arrive in Stamford, a well-being check should have been called in. Which I guess is possibly what the mystery woman was handling.... Maybe she didn't know he was committing suicide BUT knew something wasn't right... Maybe when she left at 11:28, she was headed to Farmington PD to get a police escort... I have no idea. Until we learn more about this woman and her actions and movements yesterday, my theories are all over the place. With all that said, I guess he could have begun the suicide process anytime from 10:34 am to 11:54am... But I truly believe he didn't start until the woman left at 11:28am....
 
MollyDDD said:
Okay, does anyone know who is in control of FD’s medical care/decisions right now? For example, if he had a “living will”, could that person decide to “pull the plug” now and end FD’s life and his involvement in this case or does LE have any power to prevent that from happening?
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Fox reported that family members where flying in from Greece, I can’t imagine they would turn to his eldest child to make the decisions

It’s anyone’s guess if he had a living will, perhaps with the divorce in process he did
 
denzelcobb said:
Have you seen any? I know that the prosecutors have yet to share the evidence with defense team. So how did you get your hands on it? Can you please post a pic of the bloody pillow and her bra. I’d like to join the presumed guilty team.
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No, of course I have not see it myself but I have yet to follow a case that investigators turned out to have been lying about the evidence.
In fact in just about every case it has turned out that they had much more incriminating evidence then we knew.

Have you seen any evidence that Jennifer is still alive as Fotis claimed?
 
Inthedetails said:
I think the medical team responded like they would with any other suicide case.

Surely people don't want medical personal to decide whom to give treatment to, withholding care if they don't approve of the patient?

100%! and then there's that pesky detail that all human life is valuable, no member of the first responder/healthcare team is a primary, on-scene "judge, jury or executioner".


jmo
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enelram said:
Yes, I'm thinking like you. Had NP already
alluded to FD that the green was slowing down
and they may need to abbreviate so much hand holding and service. Remember way back several of us predicted when FD couldn't pay
NP, we would see diminished services. Well I
think this happened this week. Money flow to
law office stopped and thus FD was left hanging and driving himself to court, arranging his own bond, etc. This may have also contributed to FD's fear of hanging on all alone, if his atty. was cutting the cord. moo
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I think you hit the nail on the head.

jmo
 
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