Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #49

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In all his devious preparations with his low class mistress and his shady lawyer - "unplanned last minute change in visitation plans" to move dinner to the backyard of JFD's home a couple evenings before, the alibi script, cellphones left at 4JC, surreptitiously "borrowed" vehicle and manipulation and attempted intimidation of its owner, parking a distance from the murder site and bicycling in...etc, I think the "Greek genius" had NO IDEA (1) how much JFD would fight for her precious life, and (2) how much her bodily fluids would spill, requiring extensive cleanup at the murder site as well as subsequent to transportation of JFD's body elsewhere.

I'd love to know when those two plastic ponchos found in the garbage bags dumped on Albany Ave were acquired. Were they found in JFD's garage with other camping stuff and employed to protect the perpetrator's clothing during clean up there? (If so, what single perpetrator needs two ponchos?) Or, did MT and FD purchase them in advance of 5/24? (Again, what single perpetrator needs two, one with a hood and one without?) Or, did MT make a run to purchase them the morning of 5/24, after learning from FD that they'd have to add some extra steps to their plans to do some unplanned cleanup of fluids and potential DNA transfer? (Aha, here I could see a need for two, one with a hood for the member of the murder cleanup crew who had long hair and one without for the murderer with the shaved head.)

The Toyota Tacoma arrived at 80 MS Rd at 12:22PM, having traveled from New Canaan as documented by surveillance. FD's 2015 Chev Suburban with Thule rack arrived at 80 MS Rd at 1:36PM (1 hour and 14 minutes later) and it arrived there at the same time as did the Jeep Grand Cherokee, driven by MT. I'd love to know whether both those vehicles were seen on surveillance leaving 4JC just prior to that arrival at 80 MS Rd. Or, did they rendezvous somewhere else between New Canaan and Farmington (implying the Suburban HAD BEEN in New Canaan, presumably to receive JFD's body) and then travel to 80 MS Rd from wherever that was? And if that is so, what were they doing in the 1 hour and 14 minutes after the Toyota Tacoma arrived, but before they arrived? Were they checking the "load" in the Thule rack because the driver of the Suburban detected leaking from it and he wanted that leaking addressed before his arrival in Farmington/Avon? Did they visit a hand-operated car wash to quick-clean such leaking?

I don't believe a word of any of MT's three interviews indicating she and FD ate lunch between the New Canaan adventure and the work still waiting at 80 MS Rd. I think that approximate hour and a half between 12:22 and 1:36PM was a panic-filled one in which the zip ties were cut, the package was opened, and need for cleanup that could result in more DNA transfer was determined and dealt with. It was not a "hmmm, what do have in the cabinet for lunch, and does this sound good to you" hour and a half as MT attempted to make it sound in her interviews. MOO.

If JFD's body WAS moved to the Thule rack on FD's Suburban in New Canaan and not to the Toyota Tacoma, then I wonder: was KM the bonehead who drove the Toyota Tacoma from New Canaan to 80 MS Rd and then beat the hell out of there, LEAVING all those bloody-paper-towel and -sponge filled bags in the back seats, oozing their liquid contents onto the seats and car door? It seems to me as though FD and MT discovered that mess late in the afternoon AFTER they arrived at 80 MS Rd and possibly even after the Jeep's afternoon trip - when there was only enough time to move the bags, but not time enough to clean up the mess those bags had left before PG arrived at 80 MS Rd at the end of the workday, looking for FD and looking to collect his truck and the keys which were no longer where he'd left them that morning. To me, that implies that most of that afternoon was dealing not with the bags, but with "cleaning up Jennifer" and moving her body somewhere else.

All MOO.

That sounds about the way I picture the day of 5/24. That the kidnapping/murder was planned but quickly went awry, and a non scheduled and lengthy cleanup had to take place. There is a reason why MT and KM refuse to speak about the events of that day, and it isn’t because they weren’t heavily involved. If that was true, MT wouldn’t have spent so much time lying, and KM wouldn’t have tried making a run for it when he got the heads up that his arrest was imminent.
 
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That sounds about the way I picture the day of 5/24. That the kidnapping/murder was planned but quickly went awry, and a non scheduled and lengthy cleanup had to take place. There is a reason why MT and KM refuse to speak about the events of that day, and it isn’t because they weren’t heavily involved. If that was true, MT wouldn’t have spent so much time lying, and KM wouldn’t have tried making a run for it when he got the heads up that his arrest was imminent.
And the "Greek genius" wouldn't have pronounced the death sentence upon himself.

ETA: Whatever happened was even uglier than murder and FD didn't want to be alive when the rest of the world made the discovery and saw him for the monster he was.

MT and KM are just invested in the hope the discovery will not be made.
 
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At what point did FD and MT cease being an item? I wonder which one of them broke it off?

A guy like FD doesn’t ride alone. In my opinion, when he and MT were ordered to stay away from each other, he went to “the bench”, where I think AC always was. A man with the kinds of psychological disorders that I believe FD has, needs an audience of women who will go against their own best interests for him. He found that in all of the women, even Jennifer. So I don’t really think either one broke up with the other; he just moved on to the next one, which really shows how much he cared for MT-not at all.
 
Hard agree with the burial theory, too. I'm local and I've been walking the woods surrounding 4Jx/80 MS almost every weekend this summer and there is just SO much land FD had access to that he could have pre-prepared (just like the Windsor Rod & Gun grave). Dig a big hole, conceal until ready, dispose accordingly (perhaps all in a convenient, sealed Thule), cover with lye to throw off dogs, fill in, re-conceal hole -- hard work to prepare and maneuver all this alone, but with the help of one, maybe two accomplices, it could be a pretty streamlined operation... JMO

Thank you so much for walking the woods in the area. After she was not found in the many meticulous searches at Waveny Park, various lakes/ponds, Fore Group properties, I have held out hope that JFD's remains might be discovered as many others are - by people hiking in the area or walking their dogs, who investigate and discover remains. And then the pandemic hit, and I was disheartened that many of those walks/hikes might not happen.

Like so many others, I so much want JFD's family to be able to put her properly to rest and not have to wonder where she is. And whatever evidence might be gathered with her body would be nice to have too.

You and your walks are a blessing and I for one am grateful.
 
Thank you so much for walking the woods in the area. After she was not found in the many meticulous searches at Waveny Park, various lakes/ponds, Fore Group properties, I have held out hope that JFD's remains might be discovered as many others are - by people hiking in the area or walking their dogs, who investigate and discover remains. And then the pandemic hit, and I was disheartened that many of those walks/hikes might not happen.

Like so many others, I so much want JFD's family to be able to put her properly to rest and not have to wonder where she is. And whatever evidence might be gathered with her body would be nice to have too.

You and your walks are a blessing and I for one am grateful.

Absolutely agree with you @Diddian in your thanks to @auspex. JFD and her family deserve a final resting place where she can be loved and remembered.

A guy like FD doesn’t ride alone. In my opinion, when he and MT were ordered to stay away from each other, he went to “the bench”, where I think AC always was. A man with the kinds of psychological disorders that I believe FD has, needs an audience of women who will go against their own best interests for him. He found that in all of the women, even Jennifer. So I don’t really think either one broke up with the other; he just moved on to the next one, which really shows how much he cared for MT-not at all.

Besides bringing AC into his stable, I don't think he "let MT out." She and FD were communicating at least through her August/September 2019 hearing and LE interviews, IMO.

One day Pattis is calling her a "Lying Lover" and the next a person who is facing the "formidable pressure of the state." There were some conversations between one day and the other, IMO. FD wanted to stay in MT's good graces so that she would continue to lie for him. During the last police interview she refused to say that FD definitely wasn't in the house.

Great conversation on the Thule, too. Thanks for bringing that forward @Megnut. I sincerely hope that LE has lots video footage of the musical cars from MS to 4JX and beyond the afternoon of the May 24 and the evening of May 23. MT knew that FD was all over the place, and MT was too. Hope they smiled for the cameras.

IMO...MOO
 
That sounds about the way I picture the day of 5/24. That the kidnapping/murder was planned but quickly went awry, and a non scheduled and lengthy cleanup had to take place. There is a reason why MT and KM refuse to speak about the events of that day, and it isn’t because they weren’t heavily involved. If that was true, MT wouldn’t have spent so much time lying, and KM wouldn’t have tried making a run for it when he got the heads up that his arrest was imminent.

I could not agree more. MOO.
 
At what point did FD and MT cease being an item? I wonder which one of them broke it off?

Not sure that they ever quit communicating, but this Hartford Courant article dated October 25, 2019, says family members went to 4JX 2 weeks earlier with a U-Haul and moved her belongings out of the house and took the remainder of the items the week of the article. (AND, I wonder if they used a U-Haul, why she still had so many things she took from the house this summer....was she picking through the Dulos children's leftovers or ????)

From the article:
"Two weeks ago some of her family members went to 4 Jefferson Court in Farmington with a U-Haul and removed many of her personal belongings from the house she and her teenage daughter shared the past couple of years with Dulos, according to several sources.


Earlier this week, the last of her belongings were brought to her new home in Avon."

Michelle Troconis moves belongings out of Farmington home she shared with Fotis Dulos.

October is about the time that AC supposedly started hanging out with FD....He was sooooooo lonely. IMO...MOO
 
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Is there ANY proof KM was at 4JC at any time on the day of?

Would I be safe to say, SoloShowering MT may have been home alone (and by "home" I don't mean hers, I mean JENNIFER'S HOME), just Michi and everybody's phones?

JMO
 
Is there ANY proof KM was at 4JC at any time on the day of?

Would I be safe to say, SoloShowering MT may have been home alone (and by "home" I don't mean hers, I mean JENNIFER'S HOME), just Michi and everybody's phones?

JMO

I think he was at 4JC; no proof, but I think he probably was, waiting to hear what he was supposed to do next. But of course, Michi could have been lying, as she has been known to do. Maybe it was her way of keeping KM in line?
 
@auspex, what a wonderful, uplifting thing you are doing with your walks! Thank you! When you look at all the efforts and talents and hopes supporting the case of JD, it’s such a force for good. Justice will prevail. Thank you one and all! MOO.

Thanks for the kind words. I'll keep doing what I can. I think this site and the people on this particular thread are absolutely brilliant. Restores my faith in the Internet and humanity!

Now back to the evidence....The 8:24 Andreas call. I don't buy it. Andreas is calling Fotis. From Greece. That's a significant ring in cost and sentiment. MT told LE the call was hard to hear and she was only "pretty sure" it even was Andreas on the line. According to FD's cell records, the call lasted only seventeen seconds. If MT is telling the truth and the call was "short" and "difficult to hear," wouldn't Andreas call back when he had a better connection? What's the point in a seventeen-second international phonecall? Especially one attended by a lawyer?

So what if it wasn't a call? What if it was a signal? Or an alibi? In her first two interviews, MT is wishy-washy with her most of her timeframes, but she's specific she saw FD that morning from 6:40-8:15, then from 8:15 on he was in a meeting in the Fore Group offices. We know FD was NOT with MT during this time, but I think the timeframe she identifies is significant. IMO, Michi is a bad liar forced to rely on childish devices like telling the exact opposite of the truth ('I was with Fotis that morning') or telling some proximal version of the truth ('there was a meeting scheduled in the Fore Group offices that morning'). Her specific mention of 8:15 makes me think something memorable happened, or was supposed to happen, at that time. What if KM and MT gathered in the FG offices in anticipation of an 8:15 signal from FD confirming JFd's successful abduction, but then the signal came in a frantic call for help? What if Fotis communicated with MT/KM that he accidentally killed JFd and needed someone to drive his Chevy/Thule to NC? KM's cellphone leaves 4JX at 8:22 -- two minutes before the Andreas call comes in -- which kind of makes me think the Andreas call itself wasn't the signal, but an emergency alibi for FD. MT picks up the Andreas call, makes sure the cell activity looks like FD is working away in the FG offices, then she hurries off for her rendevous with Marty. Meanwhile, KM drives to NC, gets there around 10, waits on Thurton Drive until he sees JFd's Chevy pull out of the garage, meets FD, fills the Thule with evidence, helps FD stage/clean JFd's car, and then they both leave shortly after 11 AM. FD in the Tacoma takes the highway; the trip takes an hour and ten minutes and he's caught on a bunch of traffic cams. KM in the Chevy drives to Farmington via Litchfield County, avoiding the highway; it takes him two hours, he coordinates with MT, and they both arrive at 80 MS at 1:36. MT then drives KM back to 4JX in the Jeep, KM gets in his car and high-tails it out of there, and MT returns to 80 MS at 2:01.

So, my TL;DR question is...if FD communicated with MT/KM that morning, how would he have done it? Anything using a cellular network is out, but what about something like WhatsApp or Viber? Could FD have switched off the cellular data on one of his many phones, brought it with him to NC, then connected to JFd's wifi to send messages through the app? Unfortunately, I don't think it would have been too difficult for him to get the wifi password -- his behavior during the Wednesday custody visit reeks of recon. :/

If wifi-messaging is a possibility, is there any way for LE to trace the activity?

TIA for any input! (Everything above is theoretical and MOO).
 
My thought is that meat meet up was to exchange phones. FD may have gotten KM's phone from him, then turned it OFF. MT may have simply turned it on in the morning to make it APPEAR KM was there... (LE knows now where and whether his phone was used during the night, and/or showing passage to 4JC in the morning.) (There WAS, I believe, ONE phone call referenced, between FD's phone and KM's phone, the evening of the meat run, in close proximity. Possible the two phones were in the possession of and operated by one person????)

As I remember it, the call from Greece was supposed to come in through the land line. MT hestitated to answer it... when the call came in to FD's cell phone. Can't remember exactly, maybe two attempts to call from Greece, on one and then the other phone. I just remember it didn't happen like it was supposed to.

Which makes me think maybe MT was alone at 4JC, trying not to mess up, and did anyway.

I REALLY want to know where KM was from the night before until the next evening.

All my own thoughts, ideas and poor recall.

JMO
 
Thanks for the kind words. I'll keep doing what I can. I think this site and the people on this particular thread are absolutely brilliant. Restores my faith in the Internet and humanity!

Now back to the evidence....The 8:24 Andreas call. I don't buy it. Andreas is calling Fotis. From Greece. That's a significant ring in cost and sentiment. MT told LE the call was hard to hear and she was only "pretty sure" it even was Andreas on the line. According to FD's cell records, the call lasted only seventeen seconds. If MT is telling the truth and the call was "short" and "difficult to hear," wouldn't Andreas call back when he had a better connection? What's the point in a seventeen-second international phonecall? Especially one attended by a lawyer?

So what if it wasn't a call? What if it was a signal? Or an alibi? In her first two interviews, MT is wishy-washy with her most of her timeframes, but she's specific she saw FD that morning from 6:40-8:15, then from 8:15 on he was in a meeting in the Fore Group offices. We know FD was NOT with MT during this time, but I think the timeframe she identifies is significant. IMO, Michi is a bad liar forced to rely on childish devices like telling the exact opposite of the truth ('I was with Fotis that morning') or telling some proximal version of the truth ('there was a meeting scheduled in the Fore Group offices that morning'). Her specific mention of 8:15 makes me think something memorable happened, or was supposed to happen, at that time. What if KM and MT gathered in the FG offices in anticipation of an 8:15 signal from FD confirming JFd's successful abduction, but then the signal came in a frantic call for help? What if Fotis communicated with MT/KM that he accidentally killed JFd and needed someone to drive his Chevy/Thule to NC? KM's cellphone leaves 4JX at 8:22 -- two minutes before the Andreas call comes in -- which kind of makes me think the Andreas call itself wasn't the signal, but an emergency alibi for FD. MT picks up the Andreas call, makes sure the cell activity looks like FD is working away in the FG offices, then she hurries off for her rendevous with Marty. Meanwhile, KM drives to NC, gets there around 10, waits on Thurton Drive until he sees JFd's Chevy pull out of the garage, meets FD, fills the Thule with evidence, helps FD stage/clean JFd's car, and then they both leave shortly after 11 AM. FD in the Tacoma takes the highway; the trip takes an hour and ten minutes and he's caught on a bunch of traffic cams. KM in the Chevy drives to Farmington via Litchfield County, avoiding the highway; it takes him two hours, he coordinates with MT, and they both arrive at 80 MS at 1:36. MT then drives KM back to 4JX in the Jeep, KM gets in his car and high-tails it out of there, and MT returns to 80 MS at 2:01.

So, my TL;DR question is...if FD communicated with MT/KM that morning, how would he have done it? Anything using a cellular network is out, but what about something like WhatsApp or Viber? Could FD have switched off the cellular data on one of his many phones, brought it with him to NC, then connected to JFd's wifi to send messages through the app? Unfortunately, I don't think it would have been too difficult for him to get the wifi password -- his behavior during the Wednesday custody visit reeks of recon. :/

If wifi-messaging is a possibility, is there any way for LE to trace the activity?

TIA for any input! (Everything above is theoretical and MOO).

I'm not sure about tracing wifi-messaging, but my brother-in-law is an LAPD detective and has mentioned that many paramours use Words With Friends app for undetected communication, so perhaps that was another option for MT and FD? I guess you can message players during the game, yet need the WWF password in order to do so.
 
Thanks for the kind words. I'll keep doing what I can. I think this site and the people on this particular thread are absolutely brilliant. Restores my faith in the Internet and humanity!

Now back to the evidence....The 8:24 Andreas call. I don't buy it. Andreas is calling Fotis. From Greece. That's a significant ring in cost and sentiment. MT told LE the call was hard to hear and she was only "pretty sure" it even was Andreas on the line. According to FD's cell records, the call lasted only seventeen seconds. If MT is telling the truth and the call was "short" and "difficult to hear," wouldn't Andreas call back when he had a better connection? What's the point in a seventeen-second international phonecall? Especially one attended by a lawyer?

So what if it wasn't a call? What if it was a signal? Or an alibi? In her first two interviews, MT is wishy-washy with her most of her timeframes, but she's specific she saw FD that morning from 6:40-8:15, then from 8:15 on he was in a meeting in the Fore Group offices. We know FD was NOT with MT during this time, but I think the timeframe she identifies is significant. IMO, Michi is a bad liar forced to rely on childish devices like telling the exact opposite of the truth ('I was with Fotis that morning') or telling some proximal version of the truth ('there was a meeting scheduled in the Fore Group offices that morning'). Her specific mention of 8:15 makes me think something memorable happened, or was supposed to happen, at that time. What if KM and MT gathered in the FG offices in anticipation of an 8:15 signal from FD confirming JFd's successful abduction, but then the signal came in a frantic call for help? What if Fotis communicated with MT/KM that he accidentally killed JFd and needed someone to drive his Chevy/Thule to NC? KM's cellphone leaves 4JX at 8:22 -- two minutes before the Andreas call comes in -- which kind of makes me think the Andreas call itself wasn't the signal, but an emergency alibi for FD. MT picks up the Andreas call, makes sure the cell activity looks like FD is working away in the FG offices, then she hurries off for her rendevous with Marty. Meanwhile, KM drives to NC, gets there around 10, waits on Thurton Drive until he sees JFd's Chevy pull out of the garage, meets FD, fills the Thule with evidence, helps FD stage/clean JFd's car, and then they both leave shortly after 11 AM. FD in the Tacoma takes the highway; the trip takes an hour and ten minutes and he's caught on a bunch of traffic cams. KM in the Chevy drives to Farmington via Litchfield County, avoiding the highway; it takes him two hours, he coordinates with MT, and they both arrive at 80 MS at 1:36. MT then drives KM back to 4JX in the Jeep, KM gets in his car and high-tails it out of there, and MT returns to 80 MS at 2:01.

So, my TL;DR question is...if FD communicated with MT/KM that morning, how would he have done it? Anything using a cellular network is out, but what about something like WhatsApp or Viber? Could FD have switched off the cellular data on one of his many phones, brought it with him to NC, then connected to JFd's wifi to send messages through the app? Unfortunately, I don't think it would have been too difficult for him to get the wifi password -- his behavior during the Wednesday custody visit reeks of recon. :/

If wifi-messaging is a possibility, is there any way for LE to trace the activity?

TIA for any input! (Everything above is theoretical and MOO).

Wow! This is great and provides much to think about! Excellent insights! Thank you!
 
I'm not sure about tracing wifi-messaging, but my brother-in-law is an LAPD detective and has mentioned that many paramours use Words With Friends app for undetected communication, so perhaps that was another option for MT and FD? I guess you can message players during the game, yet need the WWF password in order to do so.

There’s another excellent line to consider! Thank you! More to consider!!!
 
The excellent topics brought up here recently like today have me wondering again who it was exactly that MT had come to wipe her computer/phone (I forget the details at this second). It sounded like someone on payroll with FORE but maybe not. I know LE knows all about how to retrieve “deleted” info and I wonder, too, where backups are and what that technician knows and saw. MOO.
 
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