Darlie Routier asks for DNA testing

[chlban]

Thank you Val830 for the very precise info on the mandated DNA status report, which apparently broke the logjam. It's time for this stalling nonsense to be over. There are going to be random hairs all over that house from countless past visitors - people shed hair constantly from every part of their body.

I don't necessarily want to see Darlie put to death, but I want her to stop wailing her innocence and hiding under her pen pal letters full of religiosity and prayers. I feel sorry for her - I think the diet pills played a big part in the murders and that drug reactions play a bigger role in irrational behavior and impulse control than people realize. (There was another high profile killing in D involving Chantex). And, I also believe she is a true sociopath. But she would be better off blaming her actions on that than continuing to abuse her long-enabling family and sycophantic supporters.

I do want to see her put to death. I am sick of the double standard in this country, for one thing. If David Smith had done what Susan Smith did, he would have been sentenced to death. Darlie at least got the right sentence.

Now I want to state of Texas to follow through. I am counting on it.

Here's the thing for me. Charles Manson, Ted Bundy and the like are obviously useless pieces of garbage and my heart breaks for their innocent victims and their families. But, as horrendous as their acts are, they are at least committed against strangers.

Now, of course, I am not saying killing strangers is alright, but killing your own child? To me, that is the ultimate, unforgivable sin. Who do children trust implicity?

I cannot imagine the horror of realizing that the person you trust most in the world is trying to kill you. Yet, those children were old enough to realize that their MOTHER , no doubt the person they trusted most in the entire world, was stabbing them.

Sorry, I cannot get past the horror of that. As far as I am concerned, if there is a food chain of despicable human beings, parents who kill are at the very bottom. Yes, even below the likes of Manson and Bundy.

Especially parents who kill intentionally. You do not "accidentally" stab your children over and over and over.....

Kill her already.

 

[chlban]

I still would have liked to see her husband charged, I found him to have no emotion and his flat affect really was off the charts. I think he was involved. The state can always charge him if they ever feel like they have a true bill against him.....

Not having emotion and having a flat affect are not crimes. If they had an ounce of evidence that he was involved he would have been charged.

I think the 911 tape basically exonerates him, since you can clearly hear Darlie trying to convince him that there really was an intruder.

He may have even convinced himself that she was innocent, although I don't know if I really believe that. At some point though, I am betting he figured it out.

Still, unless he actively abetted the crime or cover up, I am not sure he could have been charged with anything and he certainly can't now because of Statute limitations.

Being an idiot is not yet criminal in this country.

 

[Val830]

Not having emotion and having a flat affect are not crimes. If they had an ounce of evidence that he was involved he would have been charged.

I think the 911 tape basically exonerates him, since you can clearly hear Darlie trying to convince him that there really was an intruder.

He may have even convinced himself that she was innocent, although I don't know if I really believe that. At some point though, I am betting he figured it out.

Still, unless he actively abetted the crime or cover up, I am not sure he could have been charged with anything and he certainly can't now because of Statute limitations.

Being an idiot is not yet criminal in this country.

Darin knew it was her and actively lied to cover for her. That is a crime but as you pointed out, the SOL may have passed.

I wish they would have charged him with that - maybe if his own *advertiser censored* was on the line, he would have talked. Hindsight is 20/20 of course. I doubt anyone at the time thought anyone would still be talking about this child killer 18 years later. It amazes me that anyone but her family believes she's innocent.

I doubt Darin still believes in her innocence. It's speculation of course but I think he was just more upset about losing his trophy wife than his kids. In other words - he's a piece of garbage.

 

[Zzzz]

He is definitely a piece of garbage, but innocent of the murders. What is most amazing, however, is that tons of people believe she's innocent. There are websites and Facebook pages with hundreds of people supporting her, writing to her and donating money. Most base their beliefs on feelings rather than evidence but it's still mind boggling.

 

[chlban]

He is definitely a piece of garbage, but innocent of the murders. What is most amazing, however, is that tons of people believe she's innocent. There are websites and Facebook pages with hundreds of people supporting her, writing to her and donating money. Most base their beliefs on feelings rather than evidence but it's still mind boggling.

I wonder if these are people that came late to the case? I also wonder if they have ever ready anything, other than a web or facebook page created by Darlie's family, about the case.

I have always found this case oddly similar in many ways to the Jeffrey MacDonald case. So many people come late to that case too and seem to seriously believe that these two sociopaths are the victims.

In the 70's I was dating a Long Beach (CA.) Cop. At the time MacDonald was working at the hospital there and the cops freakin' loved him. I met him at a party and (I was much younger and pretty decent looking) he tried to charm me and every other female in the room. I instantly got the "creep" vibe.

Many years later, the cop I had dated and I came into contact and became friendly again, but did not date. I tried to loan him the book "Fatal Vision". He refused to read it. Told me it was all lies, all made up and proceeded to tell me how the author had betrayed "Dr. Jeff." It was astounding to me. He was 100% convinced of MacDonald's innocence, yet had never read the premier book on the crime and had no intention of ever doing so.

I suspect Darlie supporters are of much the same mindset. ":bangheadon't bother me with fact, I just know she didn't do it"

 

[cami]

What about the limb hairs in the sock? Did they belong to one of the family?

They did not have the DNA capabilities to test the limb hair back in 1996/97 Vickie. Now with the onset of mitochondrial DNA testing, they can test the limb hair. Those hairs have been stored on slides since the onset of this case so there is no risk for contamination.

 

[cami]

I still would have liked to see her husband charged, I found him to have no emotion and his flat affect really was off the charts. I think he was involved. The state can always charge him if they ever feel like they have a true bill against him.....

there's no evidence to charge him with. Can you name one piece of physical evidence that points to his being involved in the murders?

 

[cami]

Darin knew it was her and actively lied to cover for her. That is a crime but as you pointed out, the SOL may have passed.

I wish they would have charged him with that - maybe if his own *advertiser censored* was on the line, he would have talked. Hindsight is 20/20 of course. I doubt anyone at the time thought anyone would still be talking about this child killer 18 years later. It amazes me that anyone but her family believes she's innocent.

I doubt Darin still believes in her innocence. It's speculation of course but I think he was just more upset about losing his trophy wife than his kids. In other words - he's a piece of garbage.

And I'll say again, he should have been arrested the same time Darlie was and interrogated. I think he quickly would have given Darlie up.

 

[cami]

That don't matter one bit she should be given every chance to prove she is innocent she is not 95 years old where she may pass away before she gets the needle .There shouldn't be a hurry to put someone to death let her go through the motions and when it is 1000% positive then put her to death but if there is even a 1% chance she isn't then she should not be put to death untill it's absolutly no dought not the slightest dought that she did it ..And that don't mean by all of our opinnions that means by all of the evidence..

She's had every single chance known to man prove her innocence. You can't prove what isn't there. She has not in 17 proved there was an intruder in her home or her innocence. "In a hurry" she's been on DR for 17 years, a lot longer than her compatriots.

The law allows for beyond a reasonable doubt, not absolutely no doubt. There is no the slightest doubt she did it. She's been given more testing than anyone in Texas and all the tests come back to her as the killer.

 

[LunaticFringe]

there's no evidence to charge him with. Can you name one piece of physical evidence that points to his being involved in the murders?

Not ONE piece of evidence to implicate him.He may have known after the fact.She slaughtered her sons by herself while the TV was on in that family room.
Her and her alone.

 

[PassTheMotrin]

I always felt that Darin may have helped with the obviously-staged crime scene.

 

[chlban]

I always felt that Darin may have helped with the obviously-staged crime scene.

"Felt" is not evidence. The Evidence that he did not can be heard on the 911 tape when Darlie can be heard clearly trying to convince not on the 911 operator, but her own husband that there really was an intruder.
Certainly there would be no reason to do that if he had participated.

 

[PassTheMotrin]

"Felt" is not evidence. The Evidence that he did not can be heard on the 911 tape when Darlie can be heard clearly trying to convince not on the 911 operator, but her own husband that there really was an intruder.
Certainly there would be no reason to do that if he had participated.

As for "Felt is not evidence," well...no ****. That was part of my personal opinion. Of course it's not evidence. I'm a specialist in forensics.

The rest of your paragraph is incomplete, therefore rendering it incomprehensible. You might want to check your grammar.

 

[Paysee]

As for "Felt is not evidence," well...no ****. That was part of my personal opinion. Of course it's not evidence. I'm a specialist in forensics.

The rest of your paragraph is incomplete, therefore rendering it incomprehensible. You might want to check your grammar.

I am not chlban, but her point was perfectly clear to me. Let me try to explain it to you.

Here is where Darlie is telling Darin, while still on the phone with the 911 operator, that she really saw an intruder.

01:11:28 Darlie Routier ...I saw them Darin...
01:12:21 Darin Routier ...oh my God ...(unintelligible) ...came in here...
01:14:10 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am ...I need you to calm down and talk to me...
01:14:24 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
01:16:25 Darlie Routier ...ok...
01:16:26 SOUND ...(unintelligible)...
01:17:12 911 Operator #1 ...twice Clint...
01:18:26 Darlie Routier ...didn't you get my address...
01:20:19 911 Operator #1 ...5801 Eagle...
01:22:00 Darlie Routier ...yes ...we need help...
01:22:03 RADIO ...(unintelligible) will be enroute code...
01:24:20 Darlie Routier ...Darin ...I don't know who it was...
01:24:23 911 Operator #1 ...2:33 code...
01:26:15 Darlie Routier ...we got to find out who it was...

And again

05:19:09 Darlie Routier ...somebody who did it intentionally walked in here and did it Darin...

She would hardly explain to Darin about the "intruder", if Darin was already there while the murders were happening, would she?

Are you a specialist in forensics? Or did you mean to type "I am not a specialist in forensics"?

 

[Paysee]

Some one smart enough to leave and someone who may have known that bleeding at A SCENE IS REASON ENOUGH TO LEAVE.

How can a smart person stab someone and expect there not to be blood?

The intruder stabbed one little boy, there was quite a bit of bleeding, did he run away? No, he went ahead and stabbed the other little boy. More bleeding. Did he run away now? No, he went and slashed Darlie's throat. And NOW on seeing Darlie's blood he leaves the scene? Why? What was there about Darlie's blood that made him run away?

 

[Paysee]

Bull.

There's debate surrounding the most solid of cases all the time. Sentence an attractive white woman to death and there's debate, whether it's warranted or not.

If she was not sentenced to death, her name would have been forgotten 17 years ago.

Or had she not kept on protesting her innocence.

 

[chlban]

As for "Felt is not evidence," well...no ****. That was part of my personal opinion. Of course it's not evidence. I'm a specialist in forensics.

The rest of your paragraph is incomplete, therefore rendering it incomprehensible. You might want to check your grammar.

It's quite comprhensible for anyone familiar with the case.

 

[PassTheMotrin]

I am very familiar with the case. Anyone that knew Darlie would know that she was being snarky when she said that to him. We don't know what they said to each other before she made the 911 call, which of course, she would not be making if the "intruder" were there in the process of killing the kids.

Yes, I have a specialization in forensics. One's personal feelings are never considered evidence. I simply shared that I always thought he was involved or knew more than he admitted to.

 

[Paysee]

Darlie was already on the phone with 911 when Darin came down the stairs. How could they have said anything to each other about the murders before that call?

BTW, can any human being much less a mother be snarky after just discovering two brutally murdered kids?

 

[sindydee]

Just a quick question, I understand that the testing that has been done, has not been able to prove what is required to prove possible innocence or point to a single intruder based on her scenario of events. But I was just wondering, the contaminated evidence, what happens if that would have had dna belonging to someone else? Are they just not able to test that now at at all because of the possible contamination? I believe Darlie did this, but find it quite shocking that evidence isn't kept in such a way that should it be needed in future, it can be.