DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #10

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MyBelle said:
I think he probably did drive his own car to pick up and deliver the money. The question is, after he dropped off the money, did he take the Porsche? LE would be able to find the answer from traffic and security cameras at Lowe's where he went at Noon.

JMO
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Porsche was seen being driven away from the scene at 1:30 pm. It's rather obvious to me assistant didn't take it.
 
Robin Ficker told MSNBC he was retained by Wints Mother and siblings.
 
yepitsme said:
Clearly he drove to the scene and had to park a block away. They waited until he left -- taken to the station I assume -- and got the SW. This doesn't mean he's implicated but in order to get the search warrant they would have to have probable cause that evidence was in the car (which is not the same thing as probably cause to believe he committed a crime, but in this case I assume its pretty much the same thing). Perhaps the lie was sufficient to provide that, in which case it means that whatever explanation he gave for lying was not credible.

This doesn't mean he's involved, after all they didn't find anything. But at least on the day of the murders LE had some level of suspicion.
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It also explains why the charging docs have him lying, they used it to get the SW.
 
sds71 said:
Robin Ficker told MSNBC he was retained by Wints Mother and siblings to represenent him
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Defendant is an adult. Shouldn't he agree whether Ficker is representing him or not?
 
MyBelle said:
It does sound as though LE were suspicious of JW from the very beginning. Sure, not all people who lie in an interrogation are guilty of the crime they are being interrogated about but lying to a federal investigator is a crime in itself.

JMO
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Clearly, if police wants to talk to you, it's best to keep your mouth shut.
JW talked to them without a lawyer present, and they have accused him of lying. The guy could have been stressed out to the wazoo, when he talked to the police without a lawyer present, and look where it got him.
 
jjenny said:
Clearly, if police wants to talk to you, it's best to keep your mouth shut.
JW talked to them without a lawyer present, and they have accused him of lying. The guy could have been stressed out to the wazoo, when he talked to the police without a lawyer present, and look where it got him.
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The other issue people are forgetting -- and I don't mean to be indicting or harsh -- is that some people are just plain stupid.
 
emmavoberry said:
In terms of this case, we do not yet know if the security system was armed and then under duress AS forced to disarm it or if as one poster reported based on a news story the kick was delivered to an alarm sensor before entering. It seems SS and family were security-minded in that they had a security system, a large safe, and SS being a trained martial arts expert would likely be vigilant and feel prepared--my partner took lots of Tai Kwando and in discussing his training with me said the coach would go through various scenarios having to do with staying focused, alert, and prepared even walking down the street, what to do in the event of being followed to AVOID having to get in a scuffle etc.
But when "nothing like this has ever happened here before" prevails as a rule, we do tend to feel safer than we would in a neighborhood where we knew there was burglary, car theft, garages broken in to.
My mother refers to my paranoia about these matters as "big city paranoia." She lives in an extremely quiet, almost dead cul-de sac in the suburbs and comes and goes leaving the doors unlocked. I am always remonstrating with her and citing cases, but during the day she has a perception of safety and given forty years in her house with only one or two incidents of non-violent crimes in her neighborhood, she has a mind-set and finds it inconvenient to lock and unlock doors as she ends up locked out and having to get the extra set. She has a dog with a loud bark and I think this gives her an illusion of safety too.
Though the dog is definitely a watch-dog type (German Shepherd mix) we do not know how she would actually react to a break in or how some one targeting the house would react to the dog. I try to tell her this, that the dog could be hurt or shaken up.
Now my mother is not reckless nor are her neighbors in other parts of her town who last year were surprised to be burgled during the day while leaving doors unlocked.
It is just an adjustment many people see as unneeded fuss and history tells them they don't have to go to "extremes" that will demand rigorous consistency and possibly inconvenience to themselves and others.
We do not know if the SS household could have prevented this grave tragedy. When one is targeted and the criminals have impulsive and go for broke attitudes, they might find a way to get to one in daylight while one is getting into a car or walking the dog.
I would definitely feel on guard in a large, multiple storied lay-out with hedges to protect a potential psycho or thief from being viewed looking in on my houses through so many windows, but that's me. I lock the doors and windows if I take a shower!
AS could have been expecting her husband to come home possibly, the housekeeper to be leaving, and that her house would not make a good target due to levels of security in the whole area, an official residence across the street, and again, a "two-edged sword", those windows. JMO
Because I was held up at gunpoint on a terribly busy block in the middle of the day with crowded businesses and passerby a few feet away from me (in a small consignment shop where many women shoppers came in and out), I tend to feel "it" can come out of the blue when and where least expected.
On the other hand when I worked on a campus known for crime late into the night as my whole building would be shut down and I had to make my way to the notorious tiered parking lot past hedges with very few leaving at the same time, I was too embarrassed to call a guard to escort me, despite signs all around telling us to use that service. Many, many times in many, many situations I have taken chances and relied on the odds to protect me and a scream or keys in my hand.
The thing is we are really quite vulnerable in a house once a person gets in and no matter how close our neighbors, dogs, alarms, a gun, the curb with people and cars going by--we can just be ambushed in seconds and forced into total compliance which bypasses all of these "safe-guards."
Sorry to be so grim.
I do believe this incident, whatever the precautions against it or lack of same, will change the way people in similar life-styles conduct their day to day security.
Still, I think this was a mad, reckless, evil crime perpetrated by an unbalanced person/s who thought themselves impervious to the law and who wanted something badly enough at that moment that they would just "go for it" no matter the consequences. JMO JMO
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I know, it's so frustrating that there've been conflicting reports via MSM (and or the flexible HK).

I agree with your comments.

Just to clarify so I don't get misunderstood: In no way was I blaming anybody - my comment was solely in response to the comment about 'nobody arming their system during the day' - paraphrasing. I do. That's just me being home alone during the day. I'm overly cautious that bad people will see that DH keeps specific hours, etc. I think I'd automatically feel safer if someone else was here because it's be more apparent to passersby there was activity in the house, but I'd still arm it.

I know lots of people don't keep it on, but lots of people do. I do. Call me paranoid, call me the only one in a bazillion who keeps their security system armed at all times; but it's only one of my oh, so charming quirks, LOL!

I don't care if a 10,000 sf home is the smallest in the neighborhood, it's still 10,000 sf and a few times larger than my home. We don't know if the Savopoulos home was armed or not. Can't seem to rely on the HK or MSM right now. Anywhoo, no blame laid.

Yep, if a stupid criminal wants in, they'll do it. Smarter ones pass on homes w/ security/alarms.

Example: An alarm sounds, someone in the home comes to see what's going on, gets ambushed by psycho with knife and is forced into disarming it and forced into telling the alarm company that everything's fine if the alarm was ringing for a specific time and the alarm company called.
 
jjenny said:
Clearly, if police wants to talk to you, it's best to keep your mouth shut.
JW talked to them without a lawyer present, and they have accused him of lying. The guy could have been stressed out to the wazoo, when he talked to the police without a lawyer present, and look where it got him.
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I know that if I was JW - and completely innocent (the two have to be true here) - I would not want to just say "Lawyer"...I would want to help out in any way possible because people I knew had been horribly murdered, and I was an unwitting accomplice in that, because I delivered the ransom money, unknown to me!

I would want them to find out what I was told...because it could help in their investigation!!

And with all of that said, it is probably best that you don't do any of that!

But if you aren't under arrest, can you get a Public Defender to just talk to the police?? I doubt JW has a lawyer on retainer or anything. He had no criminal record!
 
MyBelle said:
Yep. He told LE he headed to the crime scene as soon as he learned of the fire.

He had to explain why his car would be found parked a block away.

JMO
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No. I believe it would have been mentioned if he was MIA after his car was found.
 
Millhouse said:
But if they found his car a block away, and he wasn't there, I just got pushed off the fence.
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JW was at the scene of the fire - as were other employees. His car was found a block away because the street was closed off and only emergency vehicles were allowed access. The search warrant was issued the same day as the fire (probably within 45 minutes or more). LE probably informed JW they were seeking a search warrant for his car. LE recovered unknown items from his car but not the evidence they were hoping to find.
 
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Play nice !! :tyou:
 
Only speculation: LE could believe the "red bag" changed possession and, if not burned to ash in the fire, might be discovered in another persons' effects or a motel dumpster? The SW as news reports describe (do we have actual copies from online of the SW?) it in recent stories lists "red bag" as an item to seek, but I interpreted this to mean in any named person's effects or in any place the SW covered.
It would appear that LE does believe such a bag once existed and that JW did bring it to the bank with him as the other employee said the cash he got from bank was put in it and JW photographed it.
I speculate that LE's not finding the red bag in JW's car does not prove or disprove anything connected with the crime at this point, only that they have not found it in that particular place.
 
emmavoberry said:
Only speculation: LE could believe the "red bag" changed possession and, if not burned to ash in the fire, might be discovered in another persons' effects or a motel dumpster? The SW as news reports describe (do we have actual copies from online of the SW?) it in recent stories lists "red bag" as an item to seek, but I interpreted this to mean in any named person's effects or in any place the SW covered.
It would appear that LE does believe such a bag once existed and that JW did bring it to the bank with him as the other employee said the cash he got from bank was put in it and JW photographed it.
I speculate that LE's not finding the red bag in JW's car does not prove or disprove anything connected with the crime at this point, only that they have not found it in that particular place.
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Yes, they know it existed, it was in the photo sent to W2
 
corundogs said:
I know that if I was JW - and completely innocent (the two have to be true here) - I would not want to just say "Lawyer"...I would want to help out in any way possible because people I knew had been horribly murdered, and I was an unwitting accomplice in that, because I delivered the ransom money, unknown to me!

I would want them to find out what I was told...because it could help in their investigation!!

And with all of that said, it is probably best that you don't do any of that!

But if you aren't under arrest, can you get a Public Defender to just talk to the police?? I doubt JW has a lawyer on retainer or anything. He had no criminal record!
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I know that for me personally, when I am stressed, my memory goes pretty much blank. I wouldn't want to talk to police and then be accused of lying because I got something wrong.
 
sillybilly said:
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Play nice !! :tyou:
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Really sorry. *tiptoeing out of the room*
 
jjenny said:
I know that for me personally, when I am stressed, my memory goes pretty much blank. I wouldn't want to talk to police and then be accused of lying because I got something wrong.
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Can you just imagine?? Your boss, his wife, child and housekeeper have just been held captive, and brutally murdered. And the house set on fire. And you are, without knowledge, delivering the ransom money.

I would be a basket case!
 
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