DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #16

[facundo]

Being personally involved has nothing to do with it. I doubt Nelly or her "crew" as AS called them were working for free.

Preparing the mats is not remotely related to cleaning <modsnip>

JMO

I posted it because Savaas was working with Nelly preparing the dojo. That is what he was doing at the dojo, preparing the mats for the grand opening. Nelly may have been cleaning, but Savaas was doing other tasks, one of which is shown in the picture. It is you who assumed that Savaas was cleaning the dojo.

No one has suggested that Nelly or her company worked for free. I don't have the slightest idea where that statement is coming from or why it would even be stated.

 

[Kitterly]

As far as the facebook pictures go, why is everyone so sure SS cared one way or another about them. If he was as big of a car enthusiast as he seemed, he might have understood JW's excitement. Also we really have no way of knowing what kind of relationship SS and JW had. I know he was only his assistant/driver for a few months, but they could have known each other much longer. I'm not suggesting they were beer buddies but they could have been friends to some degree. So I'm not so quick to think JW was betraying SS trust at all about the photos....he could have even showed him and had a laugh, we dont know.

 

[BondGirl]

LE haven't publicly confirmed anything regarding NG. The latest media story quoting NG has the dojo opening on Thursday, which isn't true.

JMO

No it was a report of AS's call to NG that dojo opening was Thursday. Not sure what say NG claimed it would open.

 

[MyBelle]

So you don't believe SS was even there at the Dojo? And NG is lying by saying he was there ?

If a group of people are getting a new business ready for a grand opening, then imo, they are working together. NG worked with the family for 20 years. She was not an anonymous cleaning service worker. They knew each other pretty well, imo.

NG owns a cleaning service. She was hired by Amy to clean. I doubt SS and NG were the pals that NG wants us to believe.

I believe NG is lying about being at the dojo when SS got the phone call from Amy. The S family has not confirmed NG worked for them for 20 years. Furthermore, it was AS who hired NG and her "crew" to work at the dojo, not SS.

One longtime American Iron Works employee told police that he last saw Savvas Savopoulos at the Chantilly studio about 6 p.m. May 13, according to police documents. That employee told investigators that workers had been rushing to complete the martial arts studio, which had a grand opening planned for May 15.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...00af9e-ff07-11e4-8b6c-0dcce21e223d_story.html

 

[MyBelle]

No it was a report of AS's call to NG that dojo opening was Thursday. Not sure what say NG claimed it would open.

AS call to NG didn't say the dojo was opening on Thursday. The call only asked NG if she and her crew could work Monday/Tuesday or Tuesday/Wednesday. She also told her if she needed Vera to let AS know.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I posted it because Savaas was working with Nelly preparing the dojo. That is what he was doing at the dojo, preparing the mats for the grand opening. Nelly may have been cleaning, but Savaas was doing other tasks, one of which is shown in the picture. It is you who assumed that Savaas was cleaning the dojo.

No one has suggested that Nelly or her company worked for free. I don't have the slightest idea where that statement is coming from or why it would even be stated.

SS was not "working with" Nelly preparing the dojo. No way do I believe that spin.

I think laying of mats is usually done AFTER the place is cleaned, not prior.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

As far as the facebook pictures go, why is everyone so sure SS cared one way or another about them. If he was as big of a car enthusiast as he seemed, he might have understood JW's excitement. Also we really have no way of knowing what kind of relationship SS and JW had. I know he was only his assistant/driver for a few months, but they could have known each other much longer. I'm not suggesting they were beer buddies but they could have been friends to some degree. So I'm not so quick to think JW was betraying SS trust at all about the photos....he could have even showed him and had a laugh, we dont know.

If one of your employees posted photos of the interior of your personal vehicle, would you be okay with it? I sure wouldn't be.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

"Giant leap"? I wouldn't say that. They were public posts and they were connected on facebook. Facebook controls what posts you see and it depends how often and when you check it. Why use the term "giant leap". I google my employees, potential date. Maybe AS did check out his page the day she knew he had her car. We don't know.

It is a giant leap to assume AS knew about the postings and was okay with it. Not sure how much clearer I can be.

JMO

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Having heard the voicemail I think I can bring some clarity and may have arrived upon a big breakthrough. I believe the 'Bill' mentioned is Bill Davies who owns the BDC Companies, which that name may sound familiar because BDC was contracted to work on the S's garage:
http://www.nate-thayer.com/owner-do...ized-from-jordan-wallace-in-d-c-murder-probe/
This would explain the familiarity that AS expressed and it would make sense that he'd be working on both as he's a general contractor as she would have seen him at the house when he was working on the garage. If indeed BDC was contracted to do both the S home and the studio that could expand the list of suspects as people working for BDC would be seeing the comings and goings of SS plus have personal familiarity with the S home. From what I can tell BDC isn't that big, so probably the ones who work on the garage also work on the studio and they would also know about the driver and the household cleaning staff and possibly surreptitiously gleaned information from JW, NG, etc. while working on the garage. JW could have bragged about the money side of things and NG could have run her mouth off on the security side of things and other such details.

If there was someone from BDC at the studio that Wednesday, they could have been the coordinator as to when to break in as they could have sent a text to Wint et al signaling that JW, NG and SS were at the dojo and that the home would have been as empty as they could hope for and that these three were going to be away from the home for hours so there would be no surprises. Other than for JW (I think JW knew of the studio before NG did based on the AS phone call), I can't think of anyone else who would have the kind of detailed inside information that someone working for BDC at the dojo on Wednesday who also worked at the home and knew of the domestic staff and family there.

If BDC had the contract for both locations and one or more people working on that contract was working both locations, that could explain a lot. Just think how someone with criminal intent would have viewed the house after they saw the big safe in the garage along with the expensive exotic car plus they know the biggest threat is away from the home for hours because they are working with SS at the dojo so those involved could get everything on a silver platter without the randomness of not knowing who is going to be inside and who is going arrive...

 

[facundo]

SS was not "working with" Nelly preparing the dojo. No way do I believe that spin.

I think laying of mats is usually done AFTER the place is cleaned, not prior.

JMO

[modsnip]

My assumption is that Nelly and crew cleaned the floor of construction debris before Savaas placed the mats. The place looks pretty neat and clean in the picture.

 

[Bootsctr]

I am confused . Could someone please clarify who AB is . Thanks

He's Vera's husband: The husband of the housekeeper killed in last week’s mysterious quadruple homicide and fire in Northwest D.C. is speaking out for the first time. Bernardo Alfaro.

Read more: http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/0...exclusively-to-abc7-114107.html#ixzz3eUzqzmXU

 

[MyBelle]

Having heard the voicemail I think I can bring some clarity and may have arrived upon a big breakthrough. I believe the 'Bill' mentioned is Bill Davies who owns the BDC Companies, which that name may sound familiar because BDC was contracted to work on the S's garage:
http://www.nate-thayer.com/owner-do...ized-from-jordan-wallace-in-d-c-murder-probe/
This would explain the familiarity that AS expressed and it would make sense that he'd be working on both as he's a general contractor as she would have seen him at the house when he was working on the garage. If indeed BDC was contracted to do both the S home and the studio that could expand the list of suspects as people working for BDC would be seeing the comings and goings of SS plus have personal familiarity with the S home. From what I can tell BDC isn't that big, so probably the ones who work on the garage also work on the studio and they would also know about the driver and the household cleaning staff and possibly surreptitiously gleaned information from JW, NG, etc. while working on the garage. JW could have bragged about the money side of things and NG could have run her mouth off on the security side of things and other such details.

If there was someone from BDC at the studio that Wednesday, they could have been the coordinator as to when to break in as they could have sent a text to Wint et al signaling that JW, NG and SS were at the dojo and that the home would have been as empty as they could hope for and that these three were going to be away from the home for hours so there would be no surprises. Other than for JW (I think JW knew of the studio before NG did based on the AS phone call), I can't think of anyone else who would have the kind of detailed inside information that someone working for BDC at the dojo on Wednesday who also worked at the home and knew of the domestic staff and family there.

If BDC had the contract for both locations and one or more people working on that contract was working both locations, that could explain a lot. Just think how someone with criminal intent would have viewed the house after they saw the big safe in the garage along with the expensive exotic car plus they know the biggest threat is away from the home for hours because they working with SS at the dojo so those involved could get everything on a silver platter without the randomness of not knowing who is going to be inside and who is going arrive...

That very well could be a link.

 

[Bootsctr]

sbm

Agreeing it's unlikely Mr S or Mrs S were spending much time looking at JW's posts.
But does not mean they were unaware of their cars being featured on JW's SM.

Didn't someone here say Philip had FB page, other SM a/c's?
1. Philip himself might have looked at JW's SM?
"Hey, Mom & Dad, check out these pix of our cars on JW's FB!"

2. Philip may have posted on his SM about go-karting & other racing?
JW was or cd/hv/bn one of his FB friends?
Philip's mates cd/hv/looked at Philip's SM, then at JW's SM?
Mates cd/hv/said to Philip "Are those pix of your Mom & Dad's cars on JW's FB?"
Then Philip alerted Mom & Dad?

Does ^this^ work - in terms of chain of SM communication? (Reminder, I'm stuck in 19th Cent tech)

It's poss Mr S had talked to JW, asked JW to delete pix, ref's to S' cars, etc.
Also poss, if JW had hesitated for a second, Mr S' next stmt, quietly delivered, cd/hv/bn -
"Your services are no longer needed, so stop at payroll office and pick up a check for 2 months wages."

Or it's poss JW's postings never came to attn of Mr S. IDK.

JM2cts. Not convinced about either scenario.

Yes, it works in my opinion. Philip may very well have alerted his parents to the photos taken by JW. Were JW and PS still friends? Philip had moved beyond JW as far as his future racing career. I think Amy and Savvas would have been disturbed by the personal photos of the vehicles because the friends of Amy and Savvas were shocked to see the pictures and I believe they were disturbed by the photos too.

 

[MyBelle]

He's Vera's husband: The husband of the housekeeper killed in last week&#8217;s mysterious quadruple homicide and fire in Northwest D.C. is speaking out for the first time. Bernardo Alfaro.

Read more: http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/0...exclusively-to-abc7-114107.html#ixzz3eUzqzmXU

I wonder if he's seen any of the money NG has collected that supposedly is to be used for Vera's burial.

JMO

 

[Bootsctr]

Having heard the voicemail I think I can bring some clarity and may have arrived upon a big breakthrough. I believe the 'Bill' mentioned is Bill Davies who owns the BDC Companies, which that name may sound familiar because BDC was contracted to work on the S's garage:
http://www.nate-thayer.com/owner-do...ized-from-jordan-wallace-in-d-c-murder-probe/
This would explain the familiarity that AS expressed and it would make sense that he'd be working on both as he's a general contractor as she would have seen him at the house when he was working on the garage. If indeed BDC was contracted to do both the S home and the studio that could expand the list of suspects as people working for BDC would be seeing the comings and goings of SS plus have personal familiarity with the S home. From what I can tell BDC isn't that big, so probably the ones who work on the garage also work on the studio and they would also know about the driver and the household cleaning staff and possibly surreptitiously gleaned information from JW, NG, etc. while working on the garage. JW could have bragged about the money side of things and NG could have run her mouth off on the security side of things and other such details.

If there was someone from BDC at the studio that Wednesday, they could have been the coordinator as to when to break in as they could have sent a text to Wint et al signaling that JW, NG and SS were at the dojo and that the home would have been as empty as they could hope for and that these three were going to be away from the home for hours so there would be no surprises. Other than for JW (I think JW knew of the studio before NG did based on the AS phone call), I can't think of anyone else who would have the kind of detailed inside information that someone working for BDC at the dojo on Wednesday who also worked at the home and knew of the domestic staff and family there.

If BDC had the contract for both locations and one or more people working on that contract was working both locations, that could explain a lot. Just think how someone with criminal intent would have viewed the house after they saw the big safe in the garage along with the expensive exotic car plus they know the biggest threat is away from the home for hours because they working with SS at the dojo so those involved could get everything on a silver platter without the randomness of not knowing who is going to be inside and who is going arrive...

This is excellent! :bow: Works for me. I wonder if LE have comprised lists and are checking to see who is on more than one list???

 

[Bootsctr]

I wonder if he's seen any of the money NG has collected that supposedly is to be used for Vera's burial.

JMO

I thought she was supposed to be cremated. I'll look for that link. :findinglink:

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, it works in my opinion. Philip may very well have alerted his parents to the photos taken by JW. Were JW and PS still friends? Philip had moved beyond JW as far as his future racing career. I think Amy and Savvas would have been disturbed by the personal photos of the vehicles because the friends of Amy and Savvas were shocked to see the pictures and I believe they were disturbed by the photos too.

That scenario is very possible, imo.

 

[facundo]

I have been checking the MD Court Cases frequently. There are some very interesting updates posted in the past week. You will have to cast a wide net and dig deep to see the updates. I believe specific case discussion is not permitted here even though this is official LE data.

 

[MyBelle]

I thought she was supposed to be cremated. I'll look for that link. :findinglink:

TY.

NG promised to post information about a memorial service yet nothing has been posted on that page. She's collected over $19,000 so far.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

This is excellent! :bow: Works for me. I wonder if LE have comprised lists and are checking to see who is on more than one list???

I think that is exactly what they are doing.