DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #5

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He did in fact come up with the 40K. So it appears that it was a possible task. He probably had several accounts and took less than 10k from each. I don't see that as anything that would get a manager fired.

And even in a large corporate bank, there is a lot of pressure on individual branches to lure local business accounts. There is pressure to please a CEO and keep him as a current account holder. JMO

Any deviation from policy can get a manager fired.

To withdraw funds you must be an authorized signer on the account. To accept verbal instructions over the phone would generally need to be preset - i.e. agreement signed and on file. Unless the employee sent to the Bank was already an authorized account signer I do not see any bank manager putting their job on the line.

If everything was preset. Authorized signer on the account used by SS present, or previously listed as authorized to withdraw. It could work, but would still be hard to pull off in such a short time unless set up at minimum the night before - probably longer. Banks really do not keep wads of $100 bills around. They look at patterns and order weekly cash based on those patterns. They would not risk giving away money they might need to cash payroll checks on Friday. And yes, a large sum being withdrawn would require additional paperwork as others have mentioned. The Bank would typically escort client to a private area to count the funds together and put money in envelope - for security and also to avoid claims of any bundle being "short". This too would eat up some time and require a staff member be available. Banks are thrifty and usually keep bare bones staff at branches - according to normal traffic patterns.

Safe Deposit box - highly unlikely as there really is one key and multiple steps to identify who has access to that box. Not to mention its frowned upon and poor business sense to keep cash in boxes.

AIW may have had a safe with cash, but $40K seems like a lot of petty cash and its NOT the story provided by the W1 witnesses.

Last if this was not preset and it occurred at the Bank - red flags would have gone off. While at the Bank we called the police many times on odd events or suspicious transactions and had people arrested while waiting for us to "confirm data". My own staff stopped an elderly lady from giving her savings to a con man, a junkie from scamming an elderly man, and alerted a company that an employee might be embezzling via credit card overpayments. Bank staff are generally alert.
 
That they hadn't seen or heard from him.

did they say who hadn't heard from him. I'm just wondering who he knew of the family and friends. I'm assuming he knew NG because of them both being involved with the new studio and then some of the higher up employees of the business. Of course they have actually known each other longer than he has worked for him so maybe he does know some family members...
 
It would seem to me that whatever was required to get the funds was set in place as the money was withdrawn and delivered
 
For those unfamiliar with banking there is what's called the Bank Secrecy Act that requires regulatory paperwork on any customer who withdraws more than $10K a day and if it looks like someone is trying to structure transactions to have a single transaction be below that, that too is supposed to be reported. There is also the bank's internal polices as to how much a customer can withdraw in cash in a single day over and above regulations. If SS told the bank manager he wanted to withdraw $9K x 4 plus $4K that would be setting off all kinds of triggers both with bank policy and with regulatory policy. So unless the AIW account had already been set up to do that or this was something that could get the bank manager fired.

This was just before a big grand opening of the studio. Maybe the account was already set up for cash needed for retail sales and membership sales. There could be all kinds of legal reasons that a CEO of four businesses could need some cash from his various accounts. I am not sure what you are getting at since SS did successfully withdraw the funds.
 
did they say who hadn't heard from him. I'm just wondering who he knew of the family and friends. I'm assuming he knew NG because of them both being involved with the new studio and then some of the higher up employees of the business. Of course they have actually known each other longer than he has worked for him so maybe he does know some family members...

Didn't he call a veteran employee the day after the murders crying?
 
is it the same for business accounts as it is for personal accounts. I was the personal assistant to the controller of a large company and I went to a different part of the bank for all of our transactions. I only dealt with one person at the bank. I also did payroll for this company and we access to money any time we needed for whatever reason.

Whether it is a business or personal account, you'd establish that you'd be withdrawing physical cash as opposed to just doing paper transactions. Except for certain very specific things it's uncommon you'd be withdrawing large amounts of physical cash if you're a business. AIW - where the money came from - isn't in a cash business like a restaurant, nightclub, retail store, etc. but I could see how given his multiple business dealings and how SS seems to mix AIW with multiple other projects that SS could have had it set up to make cash withdrawals without this being an unique activity for the AIW account. I don't mean this as an insult to SS, just he really isn't that big of a business and I could see him doing hokey things between his different businesses as it's not like this is coming from a publicly traded company who wouldn't do something like that, so this sort of stuff could have been usual between BOA and AIW.
 
Any deviation from policy can get a manager fired.

To withdraw funds you must be an authorized signer on the account. To accept verbal instructions over the phone would generally need to be preset - i.e. agreement signed and on file. Unless the employee sent to the Bank was already an authorized account signer I do not see any bank manager putting their job on the line.

If everything was preset. Authorized signer on the account used by SS present, or previously listed as authorized to withdraw. It could work, but would still be hard to pull off in such a short time unless set up at minimum the night before - probably longer. Banks really do not keep wads of $100 bills around. They look at patterns and order weekly cash based on those patterns. They would not risk giving away money they might need to cash payroll checks on Friday. And yes, a large sum being withdrawn would require additional paperwork as others have mentioned. The Bank would typically escort client to a private area to count the funds together and put money in envelope - for security and also to avoid claims of any bundle being "short". This too would eat up some time and require a staff member be available. Banks are thrifty and usually keep bare bones staff at branches - according to normal traffic patterns.

Safe Deposit box - highly unlikely as there really is one key and multiple steps to identify who has access to that box. Not to mention its frowned upon and poor business sense to keep cash in boxes.

AIW may have had a safe with cash, but $40K seems like a lot of petty cash and its NOT the story provided by the W1 witnesses.

Last if this was not preset and it occurred at the Bank - red flags would have gone off. While at the Bank we called the police many times on odd events or suspicious transactions and had people arrested while waiting for us to "confirm data". My own staff stopped an elderly lady from giving her savings to a con man, a junkie from scamming an elderly man, and alerted a company that an employee might be embezzling via credit card overpayments. Bank staff are generally alert.

Reportedly the employee that was sent to the bank was an authorized signer. He was the business accountant and had legal authority to withdraw and sign checks etc. And it was a day or two prior to his newest companys grand opening.

He had four business that I know of. Couldn't a Ceo get a cash infusion for four separate businesses without it being a big red flag>Also, he reportedly told someone that he needed the cash for an art auction for the new studio which was opening the next day?

I think that SS was trying very hard NOT to alert the bank to a problem. I think he naively believed that DW would leave once he got the money. But he had the family duct taped and was cutting his son with a machete. I am sure he told Dad that if a cop car drove up he would slit his sons throat.
 
This was just before a big grand opening of the studio. Maybe the account was already set up for cash needed for retail sales and membership sales. There could be all kinds of legal reasons that a CEO of four businesses could need some cash from his various accounts. I am not sure what you are getting at since SS did successfully withdraw the funds.

Basically this would be nearly impossible to do same day, quickly, and not cause a call by the Bank to SS, AIW, and/or the police. Probably all of the above.

So this would have been preset to work.
1) No one has said this was preset
2) It does not make sense to need $40K for the martial arts opening - really - $40K - Was Angelina Jolie coming to the grand opening? How big would this event be??
3) Has any press been found about this $40K GALA Event??

And sorry, but any all cash $40K event at the Bank would have triggered federal reporting and other steps that would make it really hard to have W1 taking photos so close to the opening time of the Bank.

Kidnapped after Bank closed supposedly 6PM.

I would totally vote that the cash did not come from a Bank, but two witnesses claim it did. SS must have been a great story-teller to have people buy whatever cover he gave. But why would he try so hard to create great story if he was "signalling" for help.

He must have believed DW would set them free and just wanted the money.

Last point. There is a concept called co-mingling of funds. The IRS and your CPA would make it difficult to legally use funds from one business for another unless established as loan or some other legal documented transfer. Again, not a speedy process, so the Martial Arts account would have been a dedicated account if the cash was pulled based on martial arts story. It just does not add up....
 
That they hadn't seen or heard from him.


OK...since I think (correct me if I am wrong) that you have been on the side of he was not involved...

Do you now think this is suspicious? I don't know one way or another...just wondering your opinion.
 
did they say who hadn't heard from him. I'm just wondering who he knew of the family and friends. I'm assuming he knew NG because of them both being involved with the new studio and then some of the higher up employees of the business. Of course they have actually known each other longer than he has worked for him so maybe he does know some family members...


Right...the people he knew were killed. He may have had limited - if any - contact with the daughters. And he may feel it would be inappropriate to contact them. I just don't know what to think about this.
 
did they say who hadn't heard from him. I'm just wondering who he knew of the family and friends. I'm assuming he knew NG because of them both being involved with the new studio and then some of the higher up employees of the business. Of course they have actually known each other longer than he has worked for him so maybe he does know some family members...
I didn't hear it from the beginning I don't think. I looked up from reading here when I heard Savopoulos family and friends....they haven't seen or heard from assistant since the murders.
 
I think that if SS met up with this crazy man outside of his home, he would have had an even playing field to fight back. I think his martial arts might have come into play. JMO

I don't think DW went to SS, the strongest enemy. I think being a coward, he went to take over the more vulnerable family members first. That is the only way he could have control of SS, imo.

Yes. I think you have nailed it. Grab Phillip first, then Amy and the HK are under his control.
Then he has SS under his control as well, compliant and docile, desperate to save his family.
I think the coward description is accurate as well.
 
Federal Banking Rules on Withdrawing Large Sums of Cash

http://finance.zacks.com/federal-banking-rules-withdrawing-large-sums-cash-1696.html

I can tell you a few stories about people that have money and how the bank treats them and how they treat their banks. But first and foremost I bet that what ever SS asked the bank to do they did it. As the saying goes, you don't know what you don't know. Some customers pretty much kinda own their branch, there are lots of rich people. jmo idk
 
Basically this would be nearly impossible to do same day, quickly, and not cause a call by the Bank to SS, AIW, and/or the police. Probably all of the above.

Per WAPO, "The documents show a flurry of phone calls among Savvas Savopoulos, a bank, an accountant, the personal assistant, a construction company executive and Savopoulos’s American Iron Works company in the hours before the fire. The calls started shortly after 7 a.m. May 14 and ended just before noon."

It looks like SS put on the press for the cash starting at 7am and apparently spoke personally to the bank at some point.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...00af9e-ff07-11e4-8b6c-0dcce21e223d_story.html
 
Basically this would be nearly impossible to do same day, quickly, and not cause a call by the Bank to SS, AIW, and/or the police. Probably all of the above.

So this would have been preset to work.
1) No one has said this was preset
2) It does not make sense to need $40K for the martial arts opening - really - $40K - Was Angelina Jolie coming to the grand opening? How big would this event be??
3) Has any press been found about this $40K GALA Event??

And sorry, but any all cash $40K event at the Bank would have triggered federal reporting and other steps that would make it really hard to have W1 taking photos so close to the opening time of the Bank.

Kidnapped after Bank closed supposedly 6PM.

I would totally vote that the cash did not come from a Bank, but two witnesses claim it did. SS must have been a great story-teller to have people buy whatever cover he gave. But why would he try so hard to create great story if he was "signalling" for help.

He must have believed DW would set them free and just wanted the money
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That is what I believe. the BBM part. I think he was trying NOT to have the police roll up because he was sure that his son would have his throat slit. I bet DW promised something like that. And DW probably promised him that if he could get him a bag full of cash that he would leave them all alive.

As for it being 'preset', I think in a general way it was. SS had several businesses that we know of. AIW, hedge fund offices, new Martial Arts Studio, welding non profit, various charitable foundations, and I believe he still had a law practice office he was affiliated with. Is it really that unusual that he would occasionally need cash for various events/emergencies/purchases?

I bet it was not all that unusual, so if he called the bank manager on Wed night and said he had an emergency and needed cash for a purchase at an auction the next morning, I don't see it as that problematic. There would be paper work to fill out but it is not illegal to have access to your own cash money.
 
OK...since I think (correct me if I am wrong) that you have been on the side of he was not involved...

Do you now think this is suspicious? I don't know one way or another...just wondering your opinion.
No. If I were in his situation I would be devastated.
 
This was just before a big grand opening of the studio. Maybe the account was already set up for cash needed for retail sales and membership sales. There could be all kinds of legal reasons that a CEO of four businesses could need some cash from his various accounts. I am not sure what you are getting at since SS did successfully withdraw the funds.

I'm getting at that the kidnapping had been going on for longer than 24 hours, this was a pre-planned transaction, SS had been making other large cash withdrawals and so this wasn't unusual for the AIW account, etc. Having multiple businesses it isn't usual that you'd need that much physical cash as opposed to just doing paper transactions. I have said on here many times that if he was able to get large amounts of physical cash quickly without raising suspicion that it wasn't his first rodeo doing that and that word could have reached DW that SS has people pick up lots of cash for him.
 
Federal Banking Rules on Withdrawing Large Sums of Cash

http://finance.zacks.com/federal-banking-rules-withdrawing-large-sums-cash-1696.html

I can tell you a few stories about people that have money and how the bank treats them and how they treat their banks. But first and foremost I bet that what ever SS asked the bank to do they did it. As the saying goes, you don't know what you don't know. Some customers pretty much kinda own their branch, there are lots of rich people. jmo idk

Over 20 years a Banker, several in Private Banking (for the Elite/Wealthy) I never saw anyone take any short cut for any client. And frankly if an educated wealthy client of mine asked me to break the rules and potentially lose my job - I would have been very concerned by the request RED FLAG. The federal regulations are ironclad and will not only get you fired, but could have your BANK severely fined by the Feds.

So while bankers will do everything possible, faxing agreements, sending couriers to collect signatures, etc - they will still work to get what they need nicely for CYA. Bankers need their jobs. So i'm sure SS could have called a personal banker and asked him to jump through hoops to help, but its just not fast unless the whole thing was pre-arranged. As in prearranged before Wednesday. I think it must have been pre-set and triggered this crime.

And I still wonder why an art Auction would require so much cash??? Sorry people are buying stuff - expensive stuff - usually not conducted with cash. I really wondered what the original plan was- or if SS and his family operated on a $40K weekly or monthly budget? I'm not wealthy or brave - so I use credit cards.

Was anyone invited to this Auction?
 
I didn't hear it from the beginning I don't think. I looked up from reading here when I heard Savopoulos family and friends....they haven't seen or heard from assistant since the murders.

Thinking about that and knowing what I know about him and where he worked prior to the driver job, iirc he started sometime in march after being let go at the go-kart track. I wouldn't expect him to be front and center, I would suspect him to be in shock. Keeping in mind the pictures he posted from the drivers seat of the vehicle he was in at the moment he was like a kid in a candy store, I mean he was pretty much nobody assisting people driving little race cars to being a driver that included a bentley in the stable. So with that I am not surprised that he is keeping low, and maybe he has been asked to not talk about it. jmo idk
 
But if DW had a knife/machete to the little boys throat, there would not be much that Dad could do at that moment. He would have to comply. And DW looks like a pretty buff guy. He had the element of surprise and SS was probably in shock. JMO

MSM has run pix of DDW sans shirt, and yes, he looks buff.
Wonder how current or dated those pix are.
Same Q re his ht & wt - source & date. Driver license? Last arrest? Or?
If pix are, say, a year old, could he have lost or gained lbs? Muscles?

Curious if any of the SM-followers have info about ^ pix. Thx in adv.
 
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