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Whoa, an entire "gang" of people picking out college aged men and drowning them?
Hmmm...I don't know. Maybe one of two are connected to ONE killer but lots and lots of victims? That is just to weird. I don't think a "gang" of people could keep this a secret, they would tell a girlfriend/boyfriend or parent...it only takes one person to slip...

Then again...we have indeed seen some weirdo crap on websleuths...
 
Ok, Scott Radel is on the victims list. And that info came from last week from KSTP. So I'm not sure why it was reported as if they just learned about it today.
 
A question that I've been meaning to post and got sidetracked this weekend.

Do we know exactly why the ME changed the COD for Chris Jenkins from accidental to Homicide? It couldn't have been just because his parents knew in their hearts it was a homicide. What did the ME see when he took a second look, that he didn't see the first time around? What was there that made him change his mind?

I don't know if this has been answered yet, but in some of the paperwork on this case, the parents said they saw "physical" evidence on Chris' body that they did not believe was caused by his time in the water. I think between the parents and the PI, they got the ME to take a second look.

Salem
 
I'm having to view a freeze frame of the Smiley face message. this smiley has what appears to be devil horns. And the message appears to say "Evil Happy Smiley Face Man".
 
Thanks Salem, I wonder what that evidence is?
 
How would the kilers know that these guys had high GPA's and were often top athletes unless they actually KNEW them from the school and specifically targetted them?

I think so too, TheShadow. We have discussed bands, which I thought was a really good idea until I remembered some of these guys go missing after parties where there would be no band.

I'm going back to Shadowraith's idea about the "roving" professor. S/He has another name but I can't think of it right now.

Not all of these guys were in school, but many were. High GPA, athletic, friends.

The cop theory is a good one, except SOMEONE else would notice that. Oh, I just saw __________ walk off with an officer.

Apparently, no one sees what happens. Or if they do, it does not register in their brains as something to take note of. If you saw your friend walk off with a cop, you would register that. But.... if you saw your friend walk off with a girl, maybe not. So now I beg my own question... if you saw your friend walk off with the visiting female professor, would you register that? Probably. Oh wow! ________ is gonna score, check it out....

You know the banter :)

This is someone sneaky and someone that raises no concern, doesn't look unusual, wouldn't make these young men take notice, and has a plan. It is not enough that they drug the young man, they must still get him out of the place or off the street without being noticed, or if someone did notice, it does not raise any red or green flags. Meaning, it appears so common place that if some one saw what was happening, they would take no notice.

This is just a bit of a story here.... when my son was in the first grade, he used to go to the library after school. It was close to my work and then I would pick him up there. Anyway, on the way home one evening, he started telling me about this old man that was hanging out in the library. Based on what my son was saying, I became concerned and called the library. No one in that library knew who I was talking about, and I went all the way up the ladder. According to my son, the man had been hanging out there with the kids for a couple of weeks and NOT ONE librarian knew who he was. I called the Sheriff. Long story short, the guy was a registered sex offender.

The point of the story is that this guy was very adept at NOT being noticed. I'm not sure how he managed that, because all the kids knew him, but NOT one adult did........ I think we are looking for someone or someones like this. Very adept at not bringing any attention to themselves.

Salem
 
I still can't believe there could be such a gang, it's weird... If true I hope they'll get caught. It's hard to find similar cases though as they might have been listed as drowning and if mentionned in news articles they probably didn't mention the smiley face. But if drugged an autopsy would have show the presence of drugs(?)
Well I dk, still yes it's weird that someone that is drunk goes near water.

Still I have a huge listing of unsolved homicides here:

http://meyahna.tripod.com/pg11.html

but yes I'd think maybe in these cases it'd be better to look at news reporting of drunk drownings for that.
 
http://www.westbytimes.com/articles/2008/04/28/thisjustin/06leadthis.txt

(snip)
In Michigan, they found something strange, graffiti including the word 'Sinsiniwa.' A few months later when they arrived in Dubuque, Iowa, to investigate a death of Matt Kruziki. His body was found on Sinsiniwa Avenue. Plus, they've discovered the nicknames of people in the group at more than one location.

Sinsiniwa Creek is a tributary of Fever river, in Illinois. It partially runs in Wisconsin. A nearby land feature, “The Sinsiniwa Mound” is named for it. The Sinsiniwa Mound is the home of the Sinsiniwa Dominicans Sisters, a Catholic order convent. Many religious and cultural events are held at Sinsiniwa Mound.
 
I'm having to view a freeze frame of the Smiley face message. this smiley has what appears to be devil horns. And the message appears to say "Evil Happy Smiley Face Man".

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While looking at Wikipedia on Smiley Face, I clicked on the link to the video game ManHunt - well, surprise, there is a gang on that video game named "Smiley Face Gang". That sort of floored me. The game is a little twisted and I'm wondering if anyone that has actually played it can see what the "gist" of it is.
 
While looking at Wikipedia on Smiley Face, I clicked on the link to the video game ManHunt - well, surprise, there is a gang on that video game named "Smiley Face Gang". That sort of floored me. The game is a little twisted and I'm wondering if anyone that has actually played it can see what the "gist" of it is.
Wow! You might have scored on this one. :eek: Check out the characters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_Manhunt

Piggsy
An insane, completely naked man in a pig's mask living in Starkweather's attic. He uses a blunt chainsaw to kill his victims, signed with an X (because he is illiterate).

Lionel Starkweather
Starkweather supported himself by filming underground snuff and *advertiser censored* films, mostly to a Japanese market, thus beginning his slow spiral into madness. When he amassed enough money, Starkweather hired outside help to kidnap those who were instrumental in his downfall and watched them die in his special "directors cut" series of snuff films which he keeps to himself in his private collection. Uses Valiant Video Enterprises as a front to distribute his snuff films.
 
ETA: In the intro the reporter says they learn the Smiley Face killers may have targeted their victims through the internet. IMO, that would be probably Facebook or Myspace.
Possibly. For example, they state, in part:
It's a profile the detectives say killers hunt for, scouring the internet for victims, and in some cases Gannon says the men aren't killed right away.
This comes across to me as active as opposed to passive predation. Though, they could be using facebook, myspace, or whatever, to make the connection, or even determine the targeted victim's planned schedule (i.e., "hey, dude, you going to [blah,blah] bar on saturday?"). I'm betting the latter, if they're using a social networking site.

Esp, since the claimed commonalities are athletic high-achieving students. In conjunction with the above, I would expect to see some sort of "award" posted somewhere online (i.e., campus news, etcetera) posted prior to the alleged abduction. Thus, supporting that they are, for example, doing a search for, say, something of that nature. At which point they would be able to easily target those people whose pic appears with the story of the "award."

And finally, they claim they've been in communication with some of the people from this alleged gang. Curious....
 
Something occurred to me that I keep forgetting to mention... imho, it would be useful to compile info and run stats on the following:

Missing date

Found date

Estimated date of death


Missing location

Found location

Estimated point of entry

Shadow - I would love to help with this. I won't be able to get to it till the weekend. Maybe we can split the states up? I'm thinking I can send my stuff to you and you can figure out how to put it on the board? You appear much more computer literate than I am :crazy:

What is the best software to use? I have the basics - Word table format or Excel.

Also, I think we should add names and flush it out a bit. I also want to know how many of these were "dry" drownings. Not sure we can dig that up on everyone. However, it ticks me off that "drowning" is the COD, but there is no water in the lungs which could be an indication that they were gone before they hit the water.

Let me know what you think and how you want to coordinate.

Salem
 
See, it somewhat scared me as well...but the problem is: it doesn't mention anything about "drownings"...only completely twisted things like "severing people's, um, stuff"...

(I don't know how to say that without sounding like a complete loon...just drowning someone for the "fun of it" is completely twisted as well...)
 
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