Defense What is their strategy? #1

[FORDANIEL]

I still think KC's fate is sealed.
The investigators took BAGS and BAGS of evidence from the A's.
There won't be ONE hair, ONE fiber or ONE smudge of DNA on any of her things that shows a nanny.
Reasonable doubt? Who in their right mind would believe a child who spends all of this time with the nanny wouldn't have at least some DNA from said nanny on her person, or on any of her belongings? That is simply an impossibility, IMO. Not on a doll, a blanket, a toy, a piece of clothing, nothing. Not in a car seat, backpack, or anything else.

I think it is over, over, over.

I am guessing "unit #210" at Sawgrass and resultant areas have been swabbed.
Caylee's never touched anything? Right.

All of the lies put together sealed many a person's fate, even with no DNA evidence.

I can't see any possible scenario where KC isn't found guilty.

I agree! Why let this shocker go for so long,if there is truly a child murderer in our midst,speak up now,for all the innocent children out there.I do believe that KC is going to somehow weave some sort of sordid tale of abuse,etc by either one or both of her parents,and I do believe that there is a "secret" somewhere in this family,but not even close to the horror of Caylee"s death.I think the guilt of the "secret",is what CA cannot bring herself to believe,what a horrible,horrible spot to be in!!!!I am reminded daily of the serenity prayer,when it comes to this case-Please God grant me the serenity,to accept the things I cannot change----etc.Do I believe that the A's know all of this----yes I do !!!Much easier from my side of the fence,than theirs!!!What many people see as deception,I see as grasping,really out of control grasping.As for Kc I have said from word go--- that this is much more sinister,than any of us realize.But whatever shocker JB can possibly come up with now is beyond me!!!I am still VERY concerned about the control JB seems to have over KC,remember she is in a totally protected environment,except for what JB wants her to see or hear.I am totally heartsick over the entire case.

 

[Bishoptutu]

Do you know what continues to puzzle me though? All of her friends and most of the family say that KC loved Caylee and was a great mother. She did some of the things but didn't do all of the things (i.e. have a job, your own place, etc.) to really provide for Caylee. Even once this case is done I STILL wonder WHY. And on top of why did KC REALLY think she was just going to be able to live life as if nothing happened. This is why I'm puzzled. I don't think its possible that to even assume you could just continue to live your life when your child just disappears. Something with this story STILL isn't right but I guess we won't know all the details until trial.

I get that there could be a possible motive (jealousy or just wanted to party) but its the fact that the body was IN KCs car and that the body was then disposed of has me going KC did all of this AND was partying? Why? It still all goes back to why. Yeah she will probably be found guilty and sent to prison but will anyone ever know the REAL reason why and who if anyone helped her. KC isn't THAT smart and while a lot of mistakes have helped the police solve this case I still think she couldn't have gotten THIS far without some help.

 

[nyvictoria]

Do you know what continues to puzzle me though? All of her friends and most of the family say that KC loved Caylee and was a great mother. She did some of the things but didn't do all of the things (i.e. have a job, your own place, etc.) to really provide for Caylee. Even once this case is done I STILL wonder WHY. And on top of why did KC REALLY think she was just going to be able to live life as if nothing happened. This is why I'm puzzled. I don't think its possible that to even assume you could just continue to live your life when your child just disappears. Something with this story STILL isn't right but I guess we won't know all the details until trial.

I get that there could be a possible motive (jealousy or just wanted to party) but its the fact that the body was IN KCs car and that the body was then disposed of has me going KC did all of this AND was partying? Why? It still all goes back to why. Yeah she will probably be found guilty and sent to prison but will anyone ever know the REAL reason why and who if anyone helped her. KC isn't THAT smart and while a lot of mistakes have helped the police solve this case I still think she couldn't have gotten THIS far without some help.

It's baffling, isn't it?

I don't think we'll ever know the reasons behind what Casey did to Caylee. KC appeared to be a good mother. I think KC took care of Caylee the way my daughter used to take care of her favorite doll, Pinky. My DD loved Pinky! She bathed her, dressed her, slept with her, took her everywhere...right up to the day she decided she no longer wanted to play with dolls. On that day, she put Pinky in the closet (trash bags, hamper, trunk, woods???) and never played with her again. KC was playing (pretending) to be a mother. Like any other child, when the game is over or when they become bored, they move on to something else. KC was just tired of playing at being a mother.

KC treated all the people in her life as if they were disposable commodities. If you look at the way she treated her grandmother and her best friend Amy, it sheds some light on the way KC maneuvered. She blatantly stole from them, yet continued on with the pretense that all was fine and dandy. She waited until the poop hit the proverbial fan and then calculated her next move. She always got away with her "little indiscretions" at home, so why not with Amy? Why not with Grandma? Why not with Caylee?

The shame of it all is, when she committed her ultimate crime she did it by murdering Caylee. All we can do is hope she doesn't get away with it this time. So very sad.

 

[eddeva]

Do you know what continues to puzzle me though? All of her friends and most of the family say that KC loved Caylee and was a great mother.

*resp. snipped.
casey behaves in whatever way her 'audience' will find the most appealing - perfect friend/sister figure/mentor/girlfriend/ and mother. it's all faked for the benefit of those around her whose acceptance and admiration she desires. she was never a good mother, she just made sure she looked like one.

 

[SoSueMe]

I'm not worried.... defense is talking about a "bushy haired stranger" for their dense strategy... wonder if they are still going to use that? I'm not worried. I think the prosecution needs to remain cool. They got all the evidence.

Bushy haired stranger? What happened to the one-armed man?

 

[Rumpole]

Bushy haired stranger? What happened to the one-armed man?

We're just building up the picture:

Bushy Hair.
One arm.
Smells of "Pure" Chloroform.
Roll of "Henkel" duct tape in pocket
Attaché case containing "heart stickers" and cardboard matting.
Carries set of stainless steel cutlery - (2 knives missing)

etc

 

[Paintr]

We're just building up the picture:

Bushy Hair.
One arm.
Smells of "Pure" Chloroform.
Roll of "Henkel" duct tape in pocket
Attaché case containing "heart stickers" and cardboard matting.
Carries set of stainless steel cutlery - (2 knives missing)

etc

Plus:

carries keys to both A's house and KC's car

is a part time script writer

and sheds something fierce, will soon be bald....(extra hairs found by H Lee)

 

[Rumpole]

Plus:

carries keys to both A's house and KC's car

is a part time script writer

and sheds something fierce, will soon be bald....(extra hairs found by H Lee)

Distinctive tattoos: 1.shamrock, 2. "Bella Vita"
Bears striking resemblance to Horse-faced party girl.

 

[RR0004]

You would think so, wouldn't you? I just hope they don't get too heavily into the forensics. Even a highly educated jury may get lost or bored with long accounts of cell phone pings, entomology, air samples, etc. DNA & FPs (or the lack thereof) along with Casey's behavior after the supposed kidnapping will slam the door to her cell permanently :behindbar

Her behavior is so key. I recently heard parts of that first interview with LE and couldn't believe that she sounded so unemotional. I remember the first time I heard it I thought...well, maybe she sounds so casual because there was no way of knowing if Caylee was alive or dead. Now, knowing that Caylee is dead I am chilled by her lack of emotion, detachment even. She was more concerned about her being arrested "on a whim" then "finding" her own child. She is one heartless b*tch

 

[RR0004]

*resp. snipped.
casey behaves in whatever way her 'audience' will find the most appealing - perfect friend/sister figure/mentor/girlfriend/ and mother. it's all faked for the benefit of those around her whose acceptance and admiration she desires. she was never a good mother, she just made sure she looked like one.

I was just now thinking just that. Who saw her on a daily basis being this GREAT mother? Has anyone come forward saying they used to see them together at the park...or playing ball outside... or saw them out shopping together? I think Casey hid with Caylee for the most part. She couldn't be seen outside where the public/friends may have confirmed she wasn't at work. If she snuck back into her parents' house all the time, I'm sure she was either on her phone or on the computer. So when does that leave her being a good mother? When her parents pull out the video camera? When she drops her off at CA's work to go plan an event? When she drags her along to parties? Out to lunch with her boyfriend(s)...or sleeping over their apartments and messing around while her daughter is in the living room being occupied by a roommate? I'm just not seeing it!!

 

[coco puff]

Her behavior is so key. I recently heard parts of that first interview with LE and couldn't believe that she sounded so unemotional. I remember the first time I heard it I thought...well, maybe she sounds so casual because there was no way of knowing if Caylee was alive or dead. Now, knowing that Caylee is dead I am chilled by her lack of emotion, detachment even. She was more concerned about her being arrested "on a whim" then "finding" her own child. She is one heartless b*tch

So true. I remember at the beginning of this case when NG played the LE recording of KC being questioned for the defense attorneys on her show. They all said that there is no way anyone would be that calm if their child was missing for a month so that means she knows that Caylee is with someone who lovers her and she is safe. I remember LP saying it as well when he first got involved. She fooled a lot of educated people and cowboys.

 

[one_hooah_wife]

Do you know what continues to puzzle me though? All of her friends and most of the family say that KC loved Caylee and was a great mother. She did some of the things but didn't do all of the things (i.e. have a job, your own place, etc.) to really provide for Caylee. Even once this case is done I STILL wonder WHY. And on top of why did KC REALLY think she was just going to be able to live life as if nothing happened. This is why I'm puzzled. I don't think its possible that to even assume you could just continue to live your life when your child just disappears. Something with this story STILL isn't right but I guess we won't know all the details until trial.

I get that there could be a possible motive (jealousy or just wanted to party) but its the fact that the body was IN KCs car and that the body was then disposed of has me going KC did all of this AND was partying? Why? It still all goes back to why. Yeah she will probably be found guilty and sent to prison but will anyone ever know the REAL reason why and who if anyone helped her. KC isn't THAT smart and while a lot of mistakes have helped the police solve this case I still think she couldn't have gotten THIS far without some help.

Hi Bishop! I have often thought of that too ... what was KC planning on doing to get on with her life and never report or explain Caylee's whereabouts. This is what I came up with ...

I think that KC planned to move to NYC with TonE. Even though we know now that his feelings were not that serious, she thought that they were! I believe that in KC's selfish twisted mind she thought that she could tell TonE that her parents took Caylee away from her and wouldn't let them see her ... she just needs to get away from the situation for a while and sort things out, eg, follow him to NY. Once there she would continue to make up stories about custody battles and court orders ... she might even take some fake trips back to Orlando to appear in court ... (during that time, she probably would be shacking up with some unsuspecting guy that she met along the way) ... she would come back and say "The court ruled in my parents favor" or any other concocted story that would in her mind explain the situation and if possible garner sympathy from TonE.

To her parents and Lee, KC would say (probably in an email or text message), "I took Caylee to live with me and to be away from your influence ... I am her mother and there is nothing you can do ... I will consider letting you see her at some point in the future ... but until then do not try to find me or contact me ... I will just move further away and you will NEVER see her again."

There are a million reasons why to any rational normal person this would not work ... but I think KC lived in a different reality. She really thinks that people believe her stories and lies... to this day. She thinks because her lies are within the realm of reality (she's not claiming aliens took Caylee) that they should be believed.

JMO ...

P.S. Trying to think like KC gives me a terrible headache!

Also, I think that she had to come up with a scenario that would make TonE see her as a victim ... therefore, she could not simply leave Caylee with her parents and start a life with him ... who would want to be with a mother that abandoned her child? I think she always had a contingency plan if the worst happened and it was found out that Caylee was missing ... maybe even several, depending on what point this was discovered. With the ZFG kidnapping story she still gets to be the victim -- in her mind anyway!

Excedrin here I come!

 

[zoomom]

If I was a juror on this trial and they tried to say the killer is still out there it would leave me to question the fact that the evidence shows there was no Zenida so its going to be hard to sell that one. Because the first assumption I would have would be if that person is out there how come each time the cops tried to find them they came up with nothing. They have got to find a smarter way to get over because that isn't going to fly. Once the prosecution keeps proving there is no Zenida the lie will point right back to KC to explain why she had no way to get in contact with her 'nanny'.

I'm not understanding why a plea hasn't happened? The more I think about the evidence the more I wonder WTH is Casey thinking?

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Bold = mine.

ME TOO!!!

 

[jeepgirlva]

For defense to introduce a new scenario at trial (stranger kidnapping)would they have to put KC on the stand to tell the new story? I don't think Baez will let KC testify,she would be chewed up and spit out by the SA.

 

[chefmom]

Distinctive tattoos: 1.shamrock, 2. "Bella Vita"
Bears striking resemblance to Horse-faced party girl.

ROFLMAO!!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[MsRyber]

Her behavior is so key. I recently heard parts of that first interview with LE and couldn't believe that she sounded so unemotional. I remember the first time I heard it I thought...well, maybe she sounds so casual because there was no way of knowing if Caylee was alive or dead. Now, knowing that Caylee is dead I am chilled by her lack of emotion, detachment even. She was more concerned about her being arrested "on a whim" then "finding" her own child. She is one heartless b*tch

Even if the jury doesn't believe the forensics....a juror will have to reconcile the following:

1. Mother doesn't report her child missing for 31 days
2. Mother parties while child is missing
3. Mother steals from many individuals and to what knowledge we've gained, nothing was purchased for said missing child, and she certainly wasn't using said money to search for said missing child
4. Abandons smelly car
5. Strange searches on computer
6. Lies about job, friends, NANNY, life, parents, schooling, and on and on and on...even in the face of contradictory evidence. (i.e investigators taking her to Universal)
7. Says child was taken by a nanny. A nanny NO ONE (not the grandmother, grandfather, uncle, numerous ex-boyfriends, friends, relatives, school mates) have ever seen. EVER. There is no phone number for nanny, and all of the references to do with nanny have been proven to be interwoven in other lies. (i.e. RM across the street from "Gloria", etc.)

This will be her undoing, because I don't care who is on the jury...taken one lie at a time, no jury will be able to take it all and say "I still don't think she did it." It starts with the 31 days...that is the HARDEST to reconcile. This mother is not worried about her baby. No tears, no pleas, nothing. That is bad enough. Then just keep adding it on.

To be honest, I really don't even think they need the forensics.

 

[Roze]

Plus:

carries keys to both A's house and KC's car

is a part time script writer

and sheds something fierce, will soon be bald....(extra hairs found by H Lee)

Owner of a small kitty, not reported missing but discovered at crime scene.

 

[Rumpole]

Owner of a small kitty, not reported missing but discovered at crime scene.

Yes of course!
Charges of "Felony Kitty abandonment" pending!!

 

[Paintr]

Yes of course!
Charges of "Felony Kitty abandonment" pending!!

:laugh::laugh:
:laugh:

Maybe they were kitty's hairs in the trunk of the car. Add charges of kitty neglect and felony kitty abuse.

 

[nyvictoria]

:laugh::laugh:
:laugh:

Maybe they were kitty's hairs in the trunk of the car. Add charges of kitty neglect and felony kitty abuse.

and a tiny kitty checkbook??

ETA wrong crime LOL
maybe it was the checkbook of poor deceased kitty's friend?