*DEVELOPING*CO Shooting at Movie Theater #2

[February]

Why would the school hide anything? I'm not able to imagine why they'd have to hide letting him go even if they did. Could you share your thoughts please?

Ived read also an article earlier where the reporters are asking questions to the School spokesperson but they dont want to release a lot and one reporter said why the VA tech school released so much information and they dont..

A frustrated reporter asked why the school couldn't provide the level of detail that Virginia Tech University did about a student who shot and killed 32 people and wounded 17 others in 2007.

"Are there any other questions?" Elliman replied.

more info on school ..see link :
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...sity-of-colorado-trouble-signs_n_1696502.html

 

[February]

This is a graduate school, PhD , this is not basic college where people come and go. You dont just resign , drop out with one email specially when your tuition fees, school fees are paid off and you get more than $2k for stipend every month .

i dont think that what he did was right but something triggered him that made him so mad. Not an excuse to get mad, but it went out beyond the reach of his brain and heart

 

[aeris]

Warner Bros. to Make 'Substantial' Donation to Colorado Shooting Victims

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dark-knight-rises-shooting-warner-bros-donation-353175

This makes me happy. It should help with the hospital bills....which I don't think they should be responsive for considering the situation, but realistically they can't all sue Holmes to cover the hospital costs for all of them as far as I know. Nothing will make up for their physical and emotional pain though

 

[Rdw1981]

This may have been mentioned. Has anyone considered the fact that he was studying neuroscience and that many neurological disorders could possibly cause someone to be clinically insane. I wonder just how many of these disorders the monster studied? He doesnt have me fooled.

 

[Lava]

This makes me happy. It should help with the hospital bills....which I don't think they should be responsive for considering the situation, but realistically they can't all sue Holmes to cover the hospital costs for all of them as far as I know. Nothing will make up for their physical and emotional pain though

This is a great thing to do. TMZ is reporting the "First Lawsuit" has come up and one of the targets is WB. I'm not sure how claiming a movie you are going to see yourself is responsible. WB had no part in this, but I am glad they are making this donation.

 

[February]

Maybe we can get a timeline? Please fell free to add more into this. Admin please feel free to remove any info you think shouldnt be here.


Dec. 13, 1987 Born in San Diego County, Calif. Parents: Robert Milton Holmes and Arlene Rosemary Holmes.
2006 - Graduated from Westview High School, Class of 2006, according to Dr. John Collins, Superintendent of the Poway Unified School District.
2006 - 2010: Attended the University of California, Riverside, graduated with a BS in neuroscience in spring 2010. Chancellor Timothy P. White said Holmes graduated with honors
May 2011 - An address of 1690 Paris Street, Aurora, Colo., for James Holmes shows up in public records searches.
Link : http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...ted-colo-theater-gunman-16824543#.UA5oVbT2aRk
June 2011 - He entered UNIV of Colorado . Holmes enrolled in the Ph.D. neuroscience program
Grant from National Institutes of Health http://grants.nih.gov/grants/grants_process.htm#process
May 8 2012 - Holmes was engaged in research about RNA and was to present a paper May 8 about RNA Biomarkers, according to a class schedule. It was unclear if he presented the paper.Is Lynne Bemis Phd , one of his professor . She is a researcher on MicroRNA Biomakers
Links:
http://www.recordpub.com/news/article/5204839
http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/c...calOncology/faculty/Pages/LynneBemis,PhD.aspx

May 2012 - When classes ended in May, the students were required to pass a first-year test referred to as the "prelims." The school said students had to stand before three professors and answer questions. Shortly after the tests were done, the classmate said, a neuroscience administrator took the group for drinks to tell them Mr. Holmes had dropped out. The administrator said she received a short resignation email from Mr. Holmes that didn't explain why. Some assumed he had gone back to California.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443295404577543400613112424.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
The beginning of that site also said :In early June, first-year doctoral student James Holmes stood before professors of neuroscience here for an oral exam that marked the beginning of at least four more years of intense study of how the brain works. Days later, though, school administrators received an email from Mr. Holmes saying that he dropped out of the program. He didn't give a reason.

May 2012University of Colorado-Denver officials said faculty in the neuroscience graduate program handled themselves appropriately in interactions with shooting suspect James Holmes. Holmes dropped out of the program a few days after he took his first year oral exam, which he reportedly failed.
Link : http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...ndling-james-holmes-withdrawal-205251926.html

May 2012 Weapon purchases started in May - Officials told NBC News that all four were purchased legally, beginning in May, from two national chain stores: Gander Mountain Guns and Bass Pro Shops.
Link : http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...ing-guns-dropping-out-of-graduate-school?lite

May 22, 2012 - law enforcement officials said Holmes bought a Glock pistol. Less than a week later, he upgraded to a shotgun
Link : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/james-holmes-weapons-internet_n_1694451.html
June 2012 - Holmes was not allowed access from the institution after his withdrawal, which was "standard operating procedure" because he was no longer affiliated with the school, said Jacque Montgomery, a spokeswoman for the medical school. Holmes had no contact with university police, she said.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_21132053/police-colo-suspect-planned-massacre-months#ixzz21WkU5mER

JUNE 7 2012 - This report is showing that he took oral exam on june 7 . Holmes took his oral exam, which is designed to test students' foundational knowledge before they continue the program, on June 7
Link - http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...ndling-james-holmes-withdrawal-205251926.html

June 10 2012 - Holmes sent an email to faculty on June 10 asking to withdraw, and was given a form that requires his advisers' and the dean's signatures. Shur said that Holmes had not filled out the portion of the form that asks for a reason for withdrawal, even though he was encouraged to do so. The form never made it to Shur's desk, so Holmes was not formally withdrawn from the university . Officials also confirmed that no dangerous chemicals were found missing from the labs where Holmes worked, and said he lost access to university buildings on June 10
Link : http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...ndling-james-holmes-withdrawal-205251926.html

June 25 2012- He emailed an application to join the Lead Valley Range in Byers on June 25 in which he said he was not a user of illegal drugs or a convicted felon, said owner Glenn Rotkovich.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_21132053/police-colo-suspect-planned-massacre-months#ixzz21WjuHopq

July 1 2012 - Glenn Rotkovich tried calling JH and he had that bizarre voicemail
July 2 2012 - Holmes placed a $306 order with the site for a combat vest, magazine holders and a knife, paying extra for expedited two-day shipping to his Aurora apartment. The order, Weinman said, didn't stand out.
Link - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/james-holmes-weapons-internet_n_1694451.html

July 7 2012 - Holmes capped off his gun purchases with another pistol on July 7
Link : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/james-holmes-weapons-internet_n_1694451.html
July 9 2012 - had a beer with a local guy. Mr. Holmes also talked of furthering his education
July 20, 2012 - arrested for deaths of 12 people at an Aurora theater during the premiere of "The Dark Knight Rises." Another 58 people are injured.

 

[DevilsPlayThing]

Maybe he was exposed to something in the Anschutz Research Facility. Anschutz owns a large part of United Artists as well. And a few sports teams. Newspapers - Entertainment Groups.

 

[RT51]

I usually don't post a big response,as I am more of a lurker, but I went to bed and couldn't go to sleep as I was thinking about the previous posts. I'm not trying to sound snarky or critical, but I find that the armchair diagnosis of mental illness, and the lists of celebrites with mental illnesses, as well as the " speaking for the parents" to be inappropriate. Not to mention the debate over what was quoted by the mother in her response to a media person's question...

I can totally see that JH has issues, but until we hear further, who are we to diagnose his problems? We can speculate, as it is our right on these sites, but to argue (debate) when we do not know, can get over whelming. I understand that personal opinions and experience can relate to the subject, and I am able to learn much from these opinions and experiences, but it is just speculation, and until we know more, I find that pages of arguments are just that. JMO

 

[salvarenga]

Official: Trap in Colorado suspect's home had 30 homemade grenades, gasoline

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/24/justice/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

 

[February]

Based on the timeline i posted above, some questions are bugging me.

1. When did their class ended? End of May?
2. Are they supposed to take their oral exam/ prelim before June or before the end of class which is May? Why would JH take oral exam on June 7 when summer semester officially begin on June 4?
3. Who is this administrator who took the students for a drink?

Sleuthers, Let's try to be objective

http://www.ucdenver.edu/student-services/resources/registrar/pages/academiccalendar.aspx

If you go to their link - it wont show a calendar, so try clicking the college of nursing first and then go back to graduate school and you will see these calendar

Anschutz Medical Campus students:

Students at the Anschutz Medical Campus in Aurora have separate academic calendars.

Academic Calendar 2011-2012
http://www.ucdenver.edu/student-ser...dars/amc/GraduateSchool/GradSchool2011-12.pdf
SPRING SEMESTER 2012
Registration begins for Spring 2012 Monday, December 5
Spring Semester begins Monday, January 23
Last day to drop/add Friday, February 3
Application for Diploma due for August graduates Friday, February 3
Presidents’ Day (classes not in session) Monday, February 20
Rotation 3: (Spring Break: March 12-16) February 27 – May 18
Last day to submit Application for Graduation for May 2012 MS grads Thursday, March 1
Spring Break (Basic Science PhDs and GENC) March 12-16
Spring Break (BIOS, CLSC, EPID, HSVR, and NURS students only) March 19-23
Last day for PhD thesis defense in order to participate in spring commencement Monday, April 2
Last day to take final exams/thesis defense for May MS & PhD grads Friday, April 27
Last day to submit thesis Friday, May 4
Final Exam Week May 14-18
Spring Semester ends Friday, May 18
Final grades due (noon) Wednesday, May 23
Graduate School Convocation Friday, May 25
Annual Commencement Friday, May 25



http://www.ucdenver.edu/student-ser...Academic_Calendar_Graduate_School_2012-13.pdf

SUMMER SEMESTER 2012
Application for Diploma Opens for August Graduates Monday, February 9
Application for Diploma Opens for December Graduates Monday, April 2
Registration for Summer 2012 Basic Sciences begins for continuing students Monday, May 14
Summer Semester begins Monday, June 4
Last day to drop/add Friday, June 8
Application for Diploma Deadline for August graduates Monday, June 18
Independence Day Holiday (July 4
th
falls on Sunday) Wednesday, July 4
Last day to take final exams/thesis defense for August MS & PhD graduates Friday, July 27
Last day to submit thesis Friday, August 3
Final Examination Week August 13-17
Summer Semester ends Friday, August 17
Final grades due (noon) Wednesday, August 22
August degree award date Friday, August 17

 

[21merc7]

Order on Limiting Pre-Trial Publicity:

http://www.courts.state.co.us/userf...12CR1522/Pretrial Publicity Order 7-23-12.pdf

Link to Court Orders, keep handy for future reference, here:

http://www.courts.state.co.us/Courts/District/Case_Details.cfm?Case_ID=152

 

[~n/t~]

Personally, I haven't seen anyone minimize the crime. We are trying to make sense of a terrible act that we can't relate to. We want to understand, not excuse.

Well said and for the record, I'm one of those that wants to understand. I pointed out in an earlier post that perhaps it's because I'm a mom of two sons almost the same age as the suspect and this crime has shocked me. As with so many other cases some draw me more than others for various reasons. This one has because I want to understand how a seemingly brilliant good student, raised in a good neighbourhood, seemingly well adjusted family could suddenly snap and victimize not only the real victims but an entire community, a nation and quite frankly, the world.

My heart is and always will be with the 12 victims and the ones still fighting for their lives and their families. That will never change regardless of my continued search for the "why".

 

[February]

Well said and for the record, I'm one of those that wants to understand. I pointed out in an earlier post that perhaps it's because I'm a mom of two sons almost the same age as the suspect and this crime has shocked me. As with so many other cases some draw me more than others for various reasons. This one has because I want to understand how a seemingly brilliant good student, raised in a good neighbourhood, seemingly well adjusted family could suddenly snap and victimize not only the real victims but an entire community, a nation and quite frankly, the world.

My heart is and always will be with the 12 victims and the ones still fighting for their lives and their families. That will never change regardless of my continued search for the "why".

O/T it is nice to see old peeps from court tv forum board
i share the same sentiments with you.

 

[~n/t~]

Based on the timeline i posted above, some questions are bugging me.

1. When did their class ended? End of May?
2. Are they supposed to take their oral exam/ prelim before June or before the end of class which is May? Why would JH take oral exam on June 7?
3. Who is this administrator who took the students for a drink?

Sleuthers, Let's try to be objective

http://www.ucdenver.edu/student-services/resources/registrar/pages/academiccalendar.aspx

If you go to their link - it wont show a calendar, so try clicking the college of nursing first and then go back to graduate school and you will see these calendar

Anschutz Medical Campus students:

Students at the Anschutz Medical Campus in Aurora have separate academic calendars.

Academic Calendar 2011-2012
http://www.ucdenver.edu/student-ser...dars/amc/GraduateSchool/GradSchool2011-12.pdf
SPRING SEMESTER 2012
Registration begins for Spring 2012 Monday, December 5
Spring Semester begins Monday, January 23
Last day to drop/add Friday, February 3
Application for Diploma due for August graduates Friday, February 3
Presidents’ Day (classes not in session) Monday, February 20
Rotation 3: (Spring Break: March 12-16) February 27 – May 18
Last day to submit Application for Graduation for May 2012 MS grads Thursday, March 1
Spring Break (Basic Science PhDs and GENC) March 12-16
Spring Break (BIOS, CLSC, EPID, HSVR, and NURS students only) March 19-23
Last day for PhD thesis defense in order to participate in spring commencement Monday, April 2
Last day to take final exams/thesis defense for May MS & PhD grads Friday, April 27
Last day to submit thesis Friday, May 4
Final Exam Week May 14-18
Spring Semester ends Friday, May 18
Final grades due (noon) Wednesday, May 23
Graduate School Convocation Friday, May 25
Annual Commencement Friday, May 25



http://www.ucdenver.edu/student-ser...Academic_Calendar_Graduate_School_2012-13.pdf

SUMMER SEMESTER 2012
Application for Diploma Opens for August Graduates Monday, February 9
Application for Diploma Opens for December Graduates Monday, April 2
Registration for Summer 2012 Basic Sciences begins for continuing students Monday, May 14
Summer Semester begins Monday, June 4
Last day to drop/add Friday, June 8
Application for Diploma Deadline for August graduates Monday, June 18
Independence Day Holiday (July 4
th
falls on Sunday) Wednesday, July 4
Last day to take final exams/thesis defense for August MS & PhD graduates Friday, July 27
Last day to submit thesis Friday, August 3
Final Examination Week August 13-17
Summer Semester ends Friday, August 17
Final grades due (noon) Wednesday, August 22
August degree award date Friday, August 17

Good to see you too.

IIRC, he did take an exam (now I don't know if it was a final or not) before he withdrew. There was speculation that he didn't fair well in that exam and that is the reason he withdrew from the program. His professor would not comment as far as I know.

If I have time today, I'll locate the links to back up my statements. For now, please take them as unconfirmed.

 

[Curious Me]

I couldn't sleep and got to reading. Found this article.

Why did Colorado shooting suspect avoid social media?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/23/tech/social-media/colorado-suspect-social-media/index.html

Now, I hope I can sleep. Good Night! fftobed:

 

[February]

Good to see you too.

IIRC, he did take an exam (now I don't know if it was a final or not) before he withdrew. There was speculation that he didn't fair well in that exam and that is the reason he withdrew from the program. His professor would not comment as far as I know.

If I have time today, I'll locate the links to back up my statements. For now, please take them as unconfirmed.

Hello N/T

i have multiple links couple post above with the timeline on this.
as an old time sleuther, i found some of the info conflict with one another or i am getting old haha Nice to hear from you..

 

[~n/t~]

Another question I have is the "why" he told LE about the bombs in his apartment right there and then at the crime scene. Did he come down from his fantasy world after the carnage in that movie theatre?

For those in the know, IF he did take some hallucinogens, how long are the effects of the drugs? 30 minutes, one hour, two hours? He apparently surrendered without incident or struggle with LE.

It was reported that he had taken vicodin. Would this type of drug cause the rage we saw in this case?

My last question is do they do blood works when someone is incarcerated?


ETA: I guess that was more than one question. lol

 

[~n/t~]

Hello N/T

i have multiple links couple post above with the timeline on this.
as an old time sleuther, i found some of the info conflict with one another or i am getting old haha Nice to hear from you..

Not sure if this helps.

His reasons for quitting the program in June, just a year into the five- to seven-year program, also remained a mystery. Holmes recently took an intense, three-part oral exam that marks the end of the first year. Those who do well continue with their studies and shift to full-time research, while those who don't do well meet with advisers and discuss their options, including retaking the exam.

University officials would not say if he passed, citing privacy concerns.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s2699444.shtml

 

[21merc7]

n~t as far as hallucinogens it would depend on exactly what was taken and how much. Say LSD, one dose can last 16 to more than 24 hours depending on person. If doing a very large amount (more than 5 doses) it can last a few days. Liquid LSD is a different beast, don't know about that. If doing it for days on days repeatedly, you can have some major disconnect with reality and that can last for weeks to months, depending on how long you were dosing. This is based on people encountered through restaurant work and their stories, not clinical data/fact.

Others may have other known stories.

I know nothing of vicodin.

I'm sure that toxicology was ordered, yes blood taken.

Why did he tell LE about the bombs? Your guess is as good as mine. Perhaps he wanted to know if it had already blown, and more damage done. Perhaps he thought it would help his case, likewise giving self up with no hassles. Who knows?! I honestly "think", my opinion only, he wanted to be known for this, and the more damage done, the bigger the name.

 

[February]

Not sure if this helps.





http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s2699444.shtml

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...ndling-james-holmes-withdrawal-205251926.html

They said he failed that exam

AURORA, Colo.--University of Colorado-Denver officials said faculty in the neuroscience graduate program handled themselves appropriately in interactions with shooting suspect James Holmes. Holmes dropped out of the program a few days after he took his first-year oral exam, which he reportedly failed

Shur said that students who fail oral exams are offered help to retake it. "The exam is not to throw students out," he said, adding that it's "very unusual" for a student to drop out of one of CU's graduate programs. Schur said Holmes had excellent academic credentials, and was among a handful of students chosen for a National Institutes of Health training grant in neuroscience.