Did the jury get it wrong, or...

[manatee]

I have heard it all! someone...has stated to me that Caylee intervene to let KC go free. she did not want her mom to face any charges for her murder and that Caylee forgave KC. grrrr!

 

[magic-cat]

I have heard it all! someone...has stated to me that Caylee intervene to let KC go free. she did not want her mom to face any charges for her murder and that Caylee forgave KC. grrrr!

Yep...she was a big hearted girl wasn't she?

WOW!

Somebody please stop the world from spinning...I want to get off.:seeya:

 

[manatee]

Yep...she was a big hearted girl wasn't she?

WOW!

Somebody please stop the world from spinning...I want to get off.:seeya:

me too! some people live in a different world than I do!

 

[magic-cat]

me too! some people live in a different world than I do!

This is Planet X type out there. I mean this guy? He is out there.

WAYYYYYYYYYY out there.

 

[manatee]

This is Planet X type out there. I mean this guy? He is out there.

WAYYYYYYYYYY out there.

you are right! 12 other people from my same state agree! maybe they are all scientologist....scientology is huge in the area the jury was picked. I know I'm grasping at straws for explanations :-banghead:

 

[magic-cat]

you are right! 12 other people from my same state agree! maybe they are all scientologist....scientology is huge in the area the jury was picked. I know I'm grasping at straws for explanations :-banghead:

I already grasped at that same straw haha maybe right here in this thread or in the could this have been a defense plan thread, but I grasped that one too. hahaha

We have to hold on to something because this roller coaster ride just will not stop!

 

[magic-cat]

About this "Casey is a good mother because Caylee ran to her and they were bonded" thing?

I personally know someone who felt so little for their child that I discovered that same child, outside, on the porch of their home, along with his brother...one had his head stuck in the porch rails (he was 2) and could not get it out. The other was in a diaper, naked except for that, filthy, crawling on the concrete floor, with ten concrete steps leading to their potential death if they fell, with NO adult in attendance outside with them...Did I mention the one in the diaper was 10 months old? Oh and I also may have forgotten to tell you he had running sores on his legs and he was eating spaghetti out of the catfood/slop bowl on the porch? Yep...where was his mother? Inside, having sex with her hubby with the door wide open and the kids outside.

Guess what? Those kids LOVE their mom. They ran to her. They hugged her. They smiled at her. They shared a bond...

What does that prove?
Does it prove this was a good mother?

Just for the record, we just happened to discover that because we stopped by unexpectedly. This gal kept her house spotless, her kids were clean, well fed and well dressed and if I had not seen THAT with my own eyes? I would not have believed it. Things happen that are not evident by the appearance that people SHOW the world...

Enter Casey Anthony...mother of the year?

 

[manatee]

About this "Casey is a good mother because Caylee ran to her and they were bonded" thing?

I personally know someone who felt so little for their child that I discovered that same child, outside, on the porch of their home, along with his brother...one had his head stuck in the porch rails (he was 2) and could not get it out. The other was in a diaper, naked except for that, filthy, crawling on the concrete floor, with ten concrete steps leading to their potential death if they fell, with NO adult in attendance outside with them...Did I mention the one in the diaper was 10 months old? Oh and I also may have forgotten to tell you he had running sores on his legs and he was eating spaghetti out of the catfood/slop bowl on the porch? Yep...where was his mother? Inside, having sex with her hubby with the door wide open and the kids outside.

Guess what? Those kids LOVE their mom. They ran to her. They hugged her. They smiled at her. They shared a bond...

What does that prove?
Does it prove this was a good mother?

Just for the record, we just happened to discover that because we stopped by unexpectedly. This gal kept her house spotless, her kids were clean, well fed and well dressed and if I had not seen THAT with my own eyes? I would not have believed it. Things happen that are not evident by the appearance that people SHOW the world...

Enter Casey Anthony...mother of the year?

wow! LDB said it best! what 2yr old does not love her mother? But mothering is more than what happens on video. i have four daughters and i know that responsibility is the BIG thing about motherhood. you will never be able to give that up. this is what held KC! no matter what she was defined as a single mother to Caylee and she didn't like that. she knew she would never be free of the responsibility no matter what unless she got rid of Caylee. :-(

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Did you even listen to Mr. Masons and the jury foremans description of the position of the duct tape? It was not wrapped around the skull. They both said that. The 3rd piece was found 9 feet away. It was stuck in the hair, and only on one side of the skull. How could the prosecution ever think they could, with all honesty call that the murder weapon. How could Dr. G even use it in coming to a conclusion of homicide. That is why they had to manufacture the video of the super-imposed duct tape photo-shopped across the picture of Caylee. If it was apparant that the duct tape was across the nose and mouth of the skull, that would not have been necessary. They knew the jury could not come to that conclusion with the actual crime scene photos because that is not what they showed, so they got some guy to make a video..that video was not evidence..thats crazy.

Cheney Mason says it was a figment of JA imagination about what the role of the duct tape was. I believe him.

How could a jury take this kind of evidence and convict a person of murder?

No. The FOURTH piece of duct tape was the one found a little distance from the remains. Three pieces were found on the child. Two pieces together (one on top of the other, layered) and a third piece attached above it.

 

[samhunt]

I truly do not want to be argumentitive, I just can easily see how the jury came to their decision. I think a lot of the states evidence was very questionable. They did not use many of their own sherrif department investigators or FBI investigators, but went outside and found others, like Dr. Voss. When JB used the state and FBI people as his own witnesses, we found out why..because their findings did not coincide with the states theory so they left that evidence out and did not use them, instead finding a "research lab" rather than a FBI forensics lab (big difference).

BBM. Could you please stop denigrating Dr. Vass and his employer? Dr. Vass is respected in his field and has spent his entire career working with forensic evidence, and his "research lab" is Oak Ridge National Laboratory, which is the Department of Energy's largest science laboratory and where the atomic bomb was created. If Oak Ridge can't be trusted, who can?

 

[manatee]

No. The FOURTH piece of duct tape was the one found a little distance from the remains. Three pieces were found on the child. Two pieces together (one on top of the other, layered) and a third piece attached above it.

what does it even matter? the baby was dumped in a swamp while the mother partied living the "Bella vita!" no remorse, no pain, what more evidence is needed. good mothers do not act this way! good mothers are like jaycee Dugard! protect their children no matter what. give up their life no matter what for their kids.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Gosh, I'm so glad for this thread....I'm sorry but I'm not buying the BS the jurors are selling. Here's why: They said they all thought ICA did it, but there wasn't evidence to prove it...they wanted to convict her but didn't have definite evidence that it wasn't an accident or that she did it.

WRONG. Dr. G. , the CORONER for crying out loud, testified that it was ruled a homicide and explained why. She was qualified as an expert witness. They were given instructions that they could believe or disbelieve anything an expert witness testified to. So they could have relied on her assertion that in her professional opinion this was a homicide. That just leaves the question of who did it.

It is beyond any rational belief that anyone who did not have access to the Anthony house murdered Caylee so that only leaves 3 people besides ICA, none of whom had a motive to want Caylee gone, and all of whom clearly by their testimony loved her very much. None of them were making up crazy babysitter stories in those 31 days. None of whom drove vehicles that smelled like dead bodies. And, if any of them had done it, why would the defense be accidental drowning? It's just insane.

We make people take basic civics tests to become U.S. citizens. Maybe we should require some basic competency test for jurors.

A poster on GVS pointed out something....these were people who were picked because supposedly they hadn't been exposed to lots of publicity about the case and therefore could start of as unbiased.....so if this sequestered jury started out as unbiased, but now they all feel she did it, what made them come to that conclusion except evidence and testimony?

The judges instructions also indicated they could consider the defendant's demeanor in reaching their verdict. The homicide ruling, plus her demeanor, plus the duct tape, plus the laundry bag, plus the 31 DAYS, plus all the lies.....I could seriously see if they could not agree on murder one, but this 9 hour, phone-it-in, drive-thru, sham of a deliberation was an injustice to Caylee and I wish they would just come out and say so. Maybe then we could all move on.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

what does it even matter? the baby was dumped in a swamp while the mother partied living the "Bella vita!" no remorse, no pain, what more evidence is needed. good mothers do not act this way! good mothers are like jaycee Dugard! protect their children no matter what. give up their life no matter what for their kids.

What more evidence is needed? Indeed. You've said it all. Casey vs. Jaycee. Enough said. Too bad the jury couldn't see the writing on the wall.

 

[natsound]

Does this man even hear what he's saying? If she was just curious about what it was, why would she type in "How to make chloroform" and go to the website 84 times? These people must have taken no notes!!

Thanks for the synopsis by the way. I can't bring myself to watch their interviews.

FWIW, I don't agree that chloroform was searched 84 times. I think the "cache back" recovery software was wrong, and in fact the defense got that one right. SA didn't refute it in closing statements. I remember worrying that would plant doubt about SA's motives in the jurors' minds.

 

[natsound]

When I was on change.org today I saw 2 new petitions. One was a petition to investigate the DT & the other was to have Casey tried at the Federal level....does anyone know anything about these? The one about Casey only had 20K signatures on it which surprised me if it's ligit.

They may or may not be legit, but a petition drive isn't going to motivate the FBI to slap charges on KC. If they really want to, they could. My worry is that everyone's exasperated and embarrassed at this point.

 

[theBritster]

FWIW, I don't agree that chloroform was searched 84 times. I think the "cache back" recovery software was wrong, and in fact the defense got that one right. SA didn't refute it in closing statements. I remember worrying that would plant doubt about SA's motives in the jurors' minds.

You very well could be right! I just don't see why that would be the only thing deleted from the history if it was only viewed once and could be explained away by curiousity. But I guess we'll never know for sure!

 

[ItalinBella27]

I'm not "parroting the defense"

Look at my Post History.....This bothered me 3 Years ago

It also bothered me that He drove the car home from the Tow lot....

He stated that he thought to himself.."Please don't let this be Casey or Caylee" when he opened the trunk

Then He drives the Car home & goes to work....?????????

No normal person would ever do that.....

I agree 100% with your posts! I am sure Casey killed Caylee, no question in my mind, however, I do think both George and Cindy knew about what happened. They also helped clean up. Driving the car back and not notifying LE is just absurd.
As far as the jury goes, they bought Baez's opening statement, hook, line and sinker. They could have ended the trial right there because that was all the jury heard. Everyone else thought, "That was ridiculous, he'll never be able to prove the stuff he claims!" He went for drama, IMO, and the jury bought it. Baez also liked to shock with semantics and this actually worked to his advantage too.
This verdict was so wrong on so many levels.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

What more evidence is needed? Indeed. You've said it all. Casey vs. Jaycee. Enough said. Too bad the jury couldn't see the writing on the wall.

BBM....the State could not show the contention between ICA and CA. They did not know how controlling/dominating CA was with ICA. Wanting her to be a better mother to Caylee, CA knew she was being neglected by ICA...The state was not able to show how it appeared that ICA was only the baby sitter to Caylee and reduced to sibling status. According to JA it could not be shown do to being speculative since CA would not go this route, so it couldn't be shown. If they had, could this jury see that Caylee was killed due to jealousy and her wanting freedom from the parental incubrances...ICA didn't support Caylee, supply medical, food or clothing, that was all CA and the jury didn't know this. The State should have had greatgrandma tell of this contention, Uncle Rick would have supported that angle as well..

I believe that was the piece missing for this jury to jump from ICA being a good mother to one who had so much hatred for CA that she took Caylee out of the picture..as SP stated, she wondered if KC hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee...that would have turned the jury around...JMHO


No justice came for Caylee Marie :rose:

 

[natsound]

I agree 100% with your posts! I am sure Casey killed Caylee, no question in my mind, however, I do think both George and Cindy knew about what happened. They also helped clean up. Driving the car back and not notifying LE is just absurd.
As far as the jury goes, they bought Baez's opening statement, hook, line and sinker. They could have ended the trial right there because that was all the jury heard. Everyone else thought, "That was ridiculous, he'll never be able to prove the stuff he claims!" He went for drama, IMO, and the jury bought it. Baez also liked to shock with semantics and this actually worked to his advantage too.
This verdict was so wrong on so many levels.

GA and CA helped clean up, but in the haze of denial. Maybe subconsciously they had a good idea at that point. If I were scared my daughter and granddaughter were in the trunk, and opened it to find a bag of trash, I'd probably have new hope as well. We have to remember that a neutral party, the tow yard man, smelled it as well and he let it go without calling LE. It's not strange to me that GA drove the car home. He wasn't in his right mind.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I agree Nat.