Dina Shacknai wants Max's death reopened; gives ICU pic to media

[*Lash*]

@Lash-Respectfully, Dr. Melineck did not state that Dr. Lucas left the fracture out of the report.
Page 20-"Microscopic examination of his cervical cord byLawrence A. Hansen, M.D., a neuropathologist, also revealed what was described as “cervical spinal cord-Acute hemorrhagic necrosis consistent with contusion.” Apparently based on this
finding and the presence of the frontal bone fracture, the deputy medical examiner,
Jonathan Lucas, M.D., described Maxfield Shacknai as sustaining a high spinal cord injury due
to hyperextension."

The actual fracture is not a new find. In my opinion, they are not stating it is a new find. However, if the fall was a vertex presentation, and not a face presentation, it is not possible for the spinal injury to be due to extension/hyperextension of the neck.

Hi Jessica! I agree Melinek is not suggesting the vertex fracture is a new find. I believe attorney Hallier was postulating this to be a new find during this particular interview. I may be wrong, it is purely how it came across to me.

 

[MyBelle]

No one's quibbling about whether so-called experts have a right to their personal hunches and opinions. I'm talking about science and the scientific method. A real scientist uses evidence in the form of proven links between variables, and they speak of probabilities if the links are flimsy. They don't publish a medical report and unequivocally state conclusions based on conjectures and make assertions they cannot prove.

Dr. Melinek is a real doctor and her report reflects her professional opinion. I respect her opinion.

 

[Jessica2012]

Hi Jessica! I agree Melinek is not suggesting the vertex fracture is a new find. I believe attorney Hallier was postulating this to be a new find during this particular interview. I may be wrong, it is purely how it came across to me.

Sorry Lash I misunderstood your post.

 

[Salem]

Posting in all threads.

Okay Everybody - this has been said a hundred times, I'm sure. But I'm giving it one more shot and then I'm just going to issue TOs to EVERYBODY.

Dina is a victim of Max's death. As his mother, she has every right to want his death re-investigated. DO NOT BASH HER. You may talk about her media presence but you cannot keep accusing her of nefarious activity or thoughts - even if it is your opinion. She doesn't warrant that and neither LE or MSM have given any reason to indicate she is suspect in the death of RZ. So... you can talk about her actions, her media presence, and the timeline, but stop the bashing.

RZ is a victim here also. DO NOT BASH HER. You may talk about MSM, LE and timeline information but you cannot keep accusing her of nefarious activity or thoughts - even if it is your opinion. She doesn't warrant that and neither LE or MSM have given any reason to indicate she is suspect in the death of Max.

Both women are victims. Like it or not, that is the way it is and you are expected to post accordingly. If you fail to do so, you will lose posting privileges for a period of time.

Salem

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

Sorry Lash I misunderstood your post.

Well as I posted earlier...it sure looks like the injuries to MS's back were from the scooter... same shape.... and you can even see the marks from the wheels...

IMO..... for whatever reason MS went over that railing with the scooter... probably at the location where the stair railing meets the top railing... it is lower than the rest....

He kept holding onto the scooter... it scraped the newel post... got caught in the chandelier and they all went tumbling down... the scooter landed on his back...

very tragic.... I believe XZ did state that Rudoy mention that MS showed her how he played with the scooter up there on that landing... the night before..

If the dog got in the way.... explaining why RZ mentioned MS said Ocean.... it all makes tragic sense...

I don't believe the injuries to MS's back were from an assualt unless someone hit him with the scooter.... but how did the chandelier come down then..... I believe it would likely take the weight of the boy and the scooter to pull it down... and MS would have to be holding onto the scooter....

I am frankly annoyed with these doctors agenda's and how they are missing the OBVIOUS due to bias?..... how can you not realize the scooter made those marks... and the scooter had white paint on it..... it was on his leg when the EMT people arrived.... and RZ likely pushed the scooter off him and turned him over when she found him...

the boy and the scooter went over the railing on that corner and got caught in the chandelier.... possible the boy's head did hit the middle landing railing... causing the spine injury and cardiac arrest...before he hit the main floor...and by the way.. that main floor was likely a cement floor... covered in carpet...

and doctors that are getting paid to essentially mislead a grieving mother are dispicable in my book.... give her the truth....don't tell her what she wants to hear..... tell her the truth... and quit enabling her denial...

and if it is money she is after in a wrongful death suit.... so be it...sounds like JS and RZ allowed MS to use that scooter on the second floor... he died while in his father's care.... DS may very well deserve some financial compensation... who knows...

 

[screecher]

...but how did the chandelier come down...

respectfully snipped by me

Exactly. Chandeliers are anchored in ceilings to withstand hundreds/thousands pounds of weight.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

respectfully snipped by me

Exactly. Chandeliers are anchored in ceilings to withstand hundreds/thousands pounds of weight.

Not in my understanding......in general just enough to hold the Chandelier weight.... I have had a few hung in new and old homes...it is only as strong as the metal links.....and there is one or two that are open (have a slit in the link) that are used for adjustment and connection...

It's just that I think MS must have had a hold of the scooter when he went over...you should be able to figure out by the length of chandelier vs. length of boy arms outstretched and length of scooter to determine.... what length would mean his head would hit the middle landing railing...and to match injuries..

 

[bourne]

Not in my understanding......in general just enough to hold the Chandelier weight.... I have had a few hung in new and old homes...it is only as strong as the metal links.....and there is one or two that are open (have a slit in the link) that are used for adjustment and connection...

It's just that I think MS must have had a hold of the scooter when he went over...you should be able to figure out by the length of chandelier vs. length of boy arms outstretched and length of scooter to determine.... what length would mean his head would hit the middle landing railing...and to match injuries..

How much weight a chandelier can hold depends on the ceiling junction box and tension cords. Generally, a chandelier cannot hold the weight of a person, not even a six-year-old.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

It would have been extremely helpful in this case to have thoroughly examined the metal chain links that held the chandelier up. They could be tested to determine how much weight they could sustain. Overtime the metal does deteriorate. Knowing what pieces of the metal chain links were open moveable pieces is also imperative.

It seems to me from perusing the report this has not been done.

I wonder where that chandelier and any pieces that came off it are.

Frankly, I am very dissapointed in the caliber of DS's experts..... the summary is so highly speculative and her lawyer..... is so unprofesional in naming RZ as THE suspect. Do they feel that in a civil case it is okay to be so fast and lose with the facts?

While I feel it was an accident after reviewing the information to date......This child's death still needs to be properly investigated.... I hope the AG sees it that way while they review the AB files.... and both cases are re-opened. None of the victims relatives seem to have the answers from LE they desperately need.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

It is also very sad the JS is not part of the questioning. Maybe once the sale of his company is completed he will push to find more answers in the deaths of his loved ones?

Once the money has changed hands.....I can see no business reason for JS not to pursue the truth. What could be more important...? He seems like a very intelligent man.... does he not have the same questions we all do?

 

[Wendy101]

Off topic kind of, but, does anyone know where Maxie's bedroom was in relation to the stairs?

 

[Wendy101]

It is also very sad the JS is not part of the questioning. Maybe once the sale of his company is completed he will push to find more answers in the deaths of his loved ones?

Once the money has changed hands.....I can see no business reason for JS not to pursue the truth. What could be more important...? He seems like a very intelligent man.... does he not have the same questions we all do?

IMO Jonas has the answers he paid for...

 

[Wendy101]

Can someone direct me to the timeline of the morning Maxie fell..

 

[Betty P]

Can someone direct me to the timeline of the morning Maxie fell..

Here's a link to a timeline in the reference forum

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[USMARSHMACK]

Off topic kind of, but, does anyone know where Maxie's bedroom was in relation to the stairs?

Max Shacknai's bedroom was located at the top of the stairs.

 

[i.b.nora]

Dina on Dr Drew with her attorney. Monday 10 September, 2012. Says the Coronado Police in a 3 line letter says they will not reopen Max's case.

 

[i.b.nora]

The attorney indicated there are other options they might pursue regarding Max's case. They did not say what those options are.

 

[Wendy101]

Dina on Dr Drew with her attorney. Monday 10 September, 2012. Says the Coronado Police in a 3 line letter says they will not reopen Max's case.

Ummm shouldn't Maxie's daddy be all over this like a hot potato? There have been experts who are suggesting medical evidence proves his son has been murdered.. I think they might be right, but they are holding the wrong person accountable... I think Maxie suffed trauma prior to the fall..

FWIW: I do not think Rebecca or her sister killled Maxie. I do not think either harmed him in any way either. I have my own thoughts about Maxie's death.

 

[justice be served]

Ummm shouldn't Maxie's daddy be all over this like a hot potato? There have been experts who are suggesting medically his son has been murdered..

FWIW: I do not think Rebecca or he sister killled Maxie. I have my own thoughts about Maxie's death.

I'm with you on that thought.

 

[Wendy101]

Lol. Sorry edited my post as you were quoting.. Oops!