Discussions on Formal Sentencing Hearing - Jodi Arias #6

[mydirtysecret]

In my state of WI the ruling came down today that the two 12 year old girls that tried to kill their classmate who was also 12 by stabbing her 19 times and leaving her for dead will both be tried as adults. It's unbelievable that arias just months away from age 28 would even be able to use the age of 27 as a mitigator.
The case is the 'slenderman' case.

Id like to know how they decide whether to enhance a juvenile to adult courts. I'm not saying those girl's don't need to be punished but spending a LIFE sentence from 12 years old.. I just don't feel okay with that. What are the charges in adult court ?

 

[Steve44]

In my state of WI the ruling came down today that the two 12 year old girls that tried to kill their classmate who was also 12 by stabbing her 19 times and leaving her for dead will both be tried as adults. It's unbelievable that arias just months away from age 28 would even be able to use the age of 27 as a mitigator.
The case is the 'slenderman' case.

Wow, 12 years old! I agree with ruling, otherwise they'd be getting out at what, 18?
But wtf gets into these people's heads???

 

[MeeBee]

I think she wanted life but would have been happy with death after the shock and fury of having lost an entire jury with her brilliant defense scheme. I don't think she wanted death at all but through her need to win she would have created the appearance that she thought she'd won and would have slowly come to realize that death could have its advantages.

The life preference is genuine. The eventual glee with death would have been her convincing herself that it's better anyway and to, as you say, create the outward appearance that she won. It's the same idea that went into her "I prefer death anyway" declaration.

She has a habit of this.

IMO.

Steve I think this still doesn't answer your question though now that I'm thinking about it. I think you're wondering what Jodi genuinely wanted for her life deep inside.

I think she really wanted life. I think she really wanted to win that. I think she would have viewed the death penalty as being as bad as the guilty verdict. It wasn't just about saving her life. It was about winning.

But I think the death penalty would have given her the opportunity to play martyr. I think she would have been ok with it in time as she convinced herself it was better.

I don't know if I'm making sense lol.

 

[mydirtysecret]

Wow, 12 years old! I agree with ruling, otherwise they'd be getting out at what, 18?
But wtf gets into these people's heads???

No. Juvenile sentencing is different for certain crimes if charged as a juvenile. They can be charged in Juvenile get a 15 year sentence and then get out after 85% for example

 

[MeeBee]

I can't post a link to a Twitter account but you might want to go and look at the letter on this person's twitter. It is clearly written by JA, while she was in court, and
smuggled out by ? to be given to a Ben Ernst. I will copy the portion that he shows here - ( "OK, I'm in court now and must cut these silly musings short. I love you
so, so much. I'm a lucky lady. You mean more than the world to me. ) must run xx - JUDITH A.ITH ARIASITH . PS Don't forget your gratitude.. 11/4/14
this can be found at Wingz@Hgurdyman .

He has posted "Been holding onto this for a few months. A note snuck out of court for Ben Ernst".

What the heck does "don't forget your GRATITUDE!" mean?

Coded writings?

 

[TartLemon]

MeeBee, I think you're right. Jodi is considering this a win. For now anyway. As the 'friend' support dries up, $$ stop pouring in to the commissary fund and especially when she's faced with the limited appeal resources, Jodi will how much of a loser she really is.

 

[FelicityLemon]

I can't post a link to a Twitter account but you might want to go and look at the letter on this person's twitter. It is clearly written by JA, while she was in court, and
smuggled out by ? to be given to a Ben Ernst. I will copy the portion that he shows here - ( "OK, I'm in court now and must cut these silly musings short. I love you
so, so much. I'm a lucky lady. You mean more than the world to me. ) must run xx - JUDITH A.ITH ARIASITH . PS Don't forget your gratitude.. 11/4/14
this can be found at Wingz@Hgurdyman .

He has posted "Been holding onto this for a few months. A note snuck out of court for Ben Ernst".

I blew it up to read easier and it does say JodiTH A.ITH AriasITH Anybody know meaning of THITHITH ? Silly gradeschool code?

Also Don't forget your gratitude might that equal "don't forget to send me money?"

 

[Steve44]

I think she wanted life but would have been happy with death after the shock and fury of having lost an entire jury with her brilliant defense scheme. I don't think she wanted death at all but through her need to win she would have created the appearance that she thought she'd won and would have slowly come to realize that death could have its advantages.

The life preference is genuine. The eventual glee with death would have been her convincing herself that it's better anyway and to, as you say, create the outward appearance that she won. It's the same idea that went into her "I prefer death anyway" declaration.

She has a habit of this.

IMO.

I'm not so sure she wanted Life. She isn't stupid in most ways, we all know she tried eight ways to Sunday to avoid any and all responsibility for this, but once it was clear she was going away for a long time, I think she would have taken the long view and figured the DP gave her the better chance of someday getting parole, or even of having her conviction overturned and getting a new trial, the latter would have opened up the possibility of being convicted of second degree and actually going free. I don't see the same type of long term benefit in a Life sentence and I don't think she did either.

If that is the case, then any posturing she's currently doing about being happy the prosecution didn't succeed, the family didn't get what they want, is just that, and inside she knows she's screwed.

That just seems the most logical to me.

 

[FelicityLemon]

I blew it up to read easier and it does say JodiTH A.ITH AriasITH Anybody know meaning of THITHITH ? Silly gradeschool code?

Also Don't forget your gratitude might that equal "don't forget to send me money?"

And where's the rest of the "silly musings"? This is the bottom part of something. Found one meaning: In Trouble Here ?

 

[RadarLuv]

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I blew it up to read easier and it does say JodiTH A.ITH AriasITH Anybody know meaning of THITHITH ? Silly gradeschool code?

Also Don't forget your gratitude might that equal "don't forget to send me money?"

 

[WhoaIsMe]

She must have or he wouldn't have let her on. No question. There's no way she revealed this information. The question of whether you know the defendant or attorneys or judge is asked in open court. And she said nothing, clearly, or it would have been in the trial notes.

If she had admitted to Juan prosecuting her ex and not gotten kicked off, Beth would have written those notes in RED CAPS WITH lots of -->!!!!! Then every person reporting on the trial would have referred to her as The-Juror-Whose-Ex-Was Prosecuted-By-Juan-Martinez-For-MURDER!! and , no doubt, would give JM side-eyed raised eyebrow looks every time they said it. AND every last one of them (court watchers) would have watched her like a hawk the whole trial.

 

[Nancy_Drew]

My first question would be: Did you attend your ex-husbands trial?

I'd also be pulling the transcripts and everything else available, especially for verdict day and sentencing .. see what can be dug up, and see if she messes up any of her answers. If there were media articles on the case I'd have a look at those too, because sometimes the family of the accused is mentioned, interviewed or photographed.

If she lies about that .. then the rest is probably lies too.

Actually, in regards to that case, maybe we could pull articles ourselves right? I'm actually headed out the door, but a quick look into media for that trial could be revealing KWIM?

From looking at the court minutes it looks like he waived his right to a trail, and I tried to look up news reports for the original incident but haven't found anything yet. If you find anything let us know!!

Here are all of his court cases, municipal and superior;

Defendant: Santino Alejandro DOB: 10/1981

M-0741-2721301 PHOENIX, AZ 85041 Phoenix Municipal
S-0700-CR-1998012734 PHOENIX, AZ Maricopa County Superior
S-0700-CR-1999001412 PHOENIX, AZ Maricopa County Superior
S-0700-CR-1998015429 Phoenix, AZ 85041 Maricopa County Superior
M-0741-3574116 PHOENIX, AZ 85041 Phoenix Municipal
M-0741-3646008 PHOENIX, AZ 85041 Phoenix Municipal
S-0700-CR-2008107538 PHOENIX, AZ Maricopa County Superior
M-0747-SW-2008002631

 

[Hope4More]

But those reasons seem to be her outward-facing and manipulative reasons, in which she finds a way to one-up anyone opposed to her and claim they lost and she won. I think what I'm looking for is more inward focused reasons, involving her own life and situation. As I said, she may have wanted the DP for the advantages it would have given her in better chances for a successful appeal, but she may have wanted Life because her living conditions would be far better, and while the DP had advantages, a successful appeal was not a guarantee, and her life for many, many years to come would have been much harder. I know we can't actually get into her head, but I'm wondering if anyone has opinions on what they think she actually wanted for her life.

I think she wanted the DP, not LWOP. Two reasons why I believe that:

1. I think she's 100% convinced that her original verdict will be overturned on appeal, and has believed that since last summer at least, and maybe before that.

I think her belief in that explains in part why she refused to put on an actual mitigation retrial.

2. I think her anger immediately after the non-verdict on through being shut down is pretty telling and helps confirm she does NOT think she "won." She had envisioned playing the role of DP victim to the hilt....had even lined up a bunch of anti-DP tweets to spit out post-verdict.

I don't think she was (or maybe even now is) overly concerned about her living conditions DP vs. LWOP, since either way they're just temporary until she's freed.

 

[Quiet Time]

In my state of WI the ruling came down today that the two 12 year old girls that tried to kill their classmate who was also 12 by stabbing her 19 times and leaving her for dead will both be tried as adults. It's unbelievable that arias just months away from age 28 would even be able to use the age of 27 as a mitigator.
The case is the 'slenderman' case.

Yes, I saw this on one of the news programs a couple of weeks ago. And I must say that little girl is doing remarkably well
for all she went thru. So happy for her!

Nothing wrong w/trying those kids as adults, imo.
If you do the crime, you do the time...

 

[Steve44]

Steve I think this still doesn't answer your question though now that I'm thinking about it. I think you're wondering what Jodi genuinely wanted for her life deep inside.

I think she really wanted life. I think she really wanted to win that. I think she would have viewed the death penalty as being as bad as the guilty verdict. It wasn't just about saving her life. It was about winning.

But I think the death penalty would have given her the opportunity to play martyr. I think she would have been ok with it in time as she convinced herself it was better.

I don't know if I'm making sense lol.

Perfect sense, but I don't think she would have been slow to see the benefits of the DP, she would have distilled that advantage out of the situation pretty quick. Remember her mind is wired to bring her the best outcome out of any situation. She would have seen that clearly, and quickly. As far as winning against the Alexander's I can see her 'visualizing' many years into the future walking out of prison a free woman. That 'vision' would have kept her going many years, and that was only a possibility if she got the DP.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I blew it up to read easier and it does say JodiTH A.ITH AriasITH Anybody know meaning of THITHITH ? Silly gradeschool code?

Also Don't forget your gratitude might that equal "don't forget to send me money?"

Yes, some sort of coded message, as she tried before with a magazine ..

 

[ZsaZsa]

And where's the rest of the "silly musings"? This is the bottom part of something. Found one meaning: In Trouble Here ?

He's obviously saving it for later........

 

[Steve44]

What the heck does "don't forget your GRATITUDE!" mean?

Coded writings?

'Send MONEY!'

 

[MeeBee]

Perfect sense, but I don't think she would have been slow to see the benefits of the DP, she would have distilled that advantage out of the situation pretty quick. Remember her mind is wired to bring her the best outcome out of any situation. She would have seen that clearly, and quickly. As far as winning against the Alexander's I can see her 'visualizing' many years into the future walking out of prison a free woman. That 'vision' would have kept her going many years, and that was only a possibility if she got the DP.

That's very possible. But I still think she feels very good about getting the guilty verdict overturned on appeal because of the chorn. But you're right, she does seem to be aware of the benefits death would havre afforded her, especially with regard to the tweet I referenced.

 

[Wolfpack Fan]

I only saw this last part. I figured the picture was blurry so no one would figure out what Jodi looked like and get past the guards and break into the jail to free her. Since I couldn't hear anything Wilmott said, I just figured out what made sense with the answers Jodi gave. I learned that she lost her virginity when she was 11, almost 12. (just kidding)

I have never heard of a person being a foreign exchange student for THREE WEEKS. When I was in high school in the 1960s, one of my classmates was an exchange student in Buenos Aires, Argentina, for the whole year, I think. That girl was one of the smartest students in the entire school.