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I assume JA's last appeal will be done in short order [hopefully]. Then JA's only contact with the outside world will be 15min skype once a week...and what? a couple phone calls?

The end is near. So JA's family can return to CA, and slowly forget her.


I think at first JA gets no visits, no phone calls. When she's done with orientation, she'll get one of each a week. The visitation is non-contact. No computers at Perryville for inmates, no video chats.

JA will never be minimum custody, by the way.
 
They don't say her name in the hearing. Janet's last name is Weiblehaus. How many judicial assistants does JSS have?

She mentioned only Janet as her assistant, who sometimes acts as bailiff, in the penalty retrial jury selection video I posted just above. @5:15-6:05.
 
Oh - something else I discovered. The infamous pinwheel drawing? I think it was pulled off the Art website before it sold, but it is a mandala - taken from The Mandala Book of Coloring Pages for Kids and Adults. Another original drawing from Arias the Artist!

Also Ben Ernst (yes, the one that just got shot at while DUI) is apparently the Arias tweeter - no longer Donovan.

Soooo, is he a convicted felon? Is he on parole or probation? Is he allowed to be the mouthpiece for a convicted felon murderer?

For two days, I've been searching for basic parole information; the kinds of things that are required to do OR AVOID doing while on parole and I can't find anything yet.
 
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Well, of course they did.....now why would Jennifer make that up? And something about the last foreman too.

surely the person that made the comment about Juan should be stabbed had to be maria.....the first foreman was working with the defense so it makes perfect sense to me...
 
There seems to be confusion with the names. The person who heard the comment was a deputy named Jennifer Pittman. JSS, I believe, has an assistant named Janet but we don't know if that is who Jennifer was talking about as no name of the assistant was said during the hearing.
 
KCL, IIRC the judicial asst's name was never mentioned during the hearing. Janet (something ... can't remember the last name) was the court deputy who overheard the comments by the judicial asst.

Most of this info is in the last 10 minutes (or so) of the hearing.

Juan said her name was Jennifer Pittman. Wasn't she the deputy who overheard the judicial assistant? :confused: ... It was at the end at about 1:03:16
 
Bringing this over from the previous thread.

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An anti-hero or karmic avenger? That is not what I said or meant. If I'm understanding you, it sounds like you are upset that she didn't get the DP. I'm not, so maybe a difference of opinion begins there. I've said from the beginning I think she deserves the DP, and I was positive, up until the day before the jury officially hung, that the jury would give it to her. I was devastated the day when it became clear the jury would hang again.

But I also thought- and posted weeks before the non-verdict- that IMO the perfect (fantasy) outcome would be that a 12-0 jury would decide she deserved the DP, but that they wouldn't give it to her, because they knew that:

she would never be executed, so there was in reality no "death" to be imposed,

that giving her the DP would allow her the hope of appeals for many dozens of years, and giving her LWOP meant robbing her of that hope,

that the DP appeals would be extraordinarily painful for the Alexanders, and though they wanted the DP and would likely be upset and angry in the short term she didn't receive it, hopefully they would find a semblance of peace earlier on because LWOP meant she'd be out of their lives.

In my scenario of weeks ago, the jury would vote Life, then immediately hold a press conference. In the press conference jurors would tell the world they didn't believe any of her lies about Travis, that they knew she didn't feel remorseful at all, and that they spared her the DP not out of mercy, but because they thought LWOP was the greater punishment.

Well, it was a fantasy scenario that could never happen, but what did happen was pretty darn close. 13 of 14 jurors didn't believe her, knew she wasn't remorseful, held that press conference ,and IMO, by default handed her a huge loss by depriving her of the DP.

And then there is 17. Yes, precisely, it is a tainted verdict. It will ALWAYS be a tainted verdict, no matter what happens next. I would be far more upset, though, if I thought 17 was actually convinced by the evidence that TA was abusive and voted accordingly, or if she thought JA was remorseful and voted accordingly, and thus hung the jury. Or if the public THOUGHT that's what happened. Bottom line for me: Taint= nobody believes that's what happened.

I'm good with that, when I look at the verdict from the single-minded perspective I freely confess I have at the moment. What was most important to me about the outcome was that the jury not believe her horrible lies about Travis, and that they be angry about her victimization of Travis in court. That's what happened. The taint means nobody believes even 1 person genuinely believed JA.

In the larger perspective. Whatever the truth is about 17, it doesn't for me make "everything suspect and depressing" about the justice system. The depressing aspect thing happened for me all along the way. I find it depressing that a DT got away with intimidating and wearing down a trial judge so much that she violated the Constitution, knowingly, and with forethought, in service of a smirking psychopathic butcher. I remain appalled and disgusted that the justice system allowed a killer to seize a second chance for mitigation and to twist it instead into an opportunity to spew vile lies about her victim for 5 months, and to exact revenge on any and all she hated by humiliating them in open court.
I’m depressed, disgusted, and appalled that the justice system allowed nameless faceless lying witnesses, that it permitted the DT to stall the trial for months with irrelevant, baseless, and dirty diversions, motions and personal attacks on opposing counsel, that it looked the other way when a mitigation specialist conspired to hide funds and smuggled papers out of court and out of jail in service of a killer, and who actively sought to provoke public anger in order to justify why the public was to be distrusted and excluded from a public trial. On and on, but I’ll spare you and stop there.
And there is 17, again. The justice system in AZ owes the public a full explanation of what happened. That includes a factual and detailed account of what 17 was asked in voir dire and her replies. All of it. If that account exposes her as a liar (including by omission) she should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, for every imaginable reason, including as a warning to future potential jurors. There is nothing sympathetic about a person who lies for any reason, much less for gain, much less in an attempt to subvert justice.

As I’ve said, I jumped into the 17 discussion to play devil’s advocate. I also said that I expected to have rotten apples and oranges thrown at me for my efforts, and I haven’t been disappointed. :D I don’t particularly like the expression “I don’t have a dog in this race” (is that saying it right?), but on the matter of 17, close enough. I’m not trying to split hairs with you or anyone else. My profession, temperament, and inclinations all conspire to make me particular and pesky about facts and evidence, and uncomfortable about serious accusations being made –doesn’t matter who or what, without evidence.

I’m glad some here are sleuthing whether or not 17 had to have known JM, and am looking forward to hearing what is uncovered.

I want to respond to 2 statements.

1. I stated my case with logic and evidence and FACTS. In return, it means that maybe I must be upset that she didn't get the DP. As argument it's fallacious in turning debate into personal analysis . It continues, IMO, that people critical of any aspect of the verdict or J17 get constantly tarred with this reductive and irrelevant accusation. Seriously? When are facts and logic not enough? The 'serious accusations' have merit. But then J17 didn't seem to get it either. No, you are not understanding, at all.

2. Playing devil's advocate is news to me! Where was the disclaimer on every single post that this was just a game? I'm gobsmacked, again. WTH? Did everyone else know just not me?

I will say, I find it offensive and unworthy of anyone unless it was patently clear throughout. I would not have played this, to me, wasteful game, if I had known. I will leave it at that and move on or I will say something I really regret.
 
Juan said her name was Jennifer Pittman. Wasn't she the deputy who overheard the judicial assistant? :confused: ... It was at the end at about 1:03:16

The courtroom deputy (Jennifer Pittman) overheard the judicial assistant (Janet Wiebelhaus) commenting that the prosecutor should be stabbed 27 times.
 
The courtroom deputy (Jennifer Pittman) overheard the judicial assistant (Janet Wiebelhaus) commenting that the prosecutor should be stabbed 27 times.

Thank you that's how I understand it also
Janet is the blonde in long dark dress standing in front of the Judge towards the end of the hearing on October 6th I believe
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Just so you guys all know, there are more jury selection vids going up, some from Oct 7 just popped up on Twitter ..
 
As inappropriate as that statement is, if true, I get the frustrations that must have been felt in that Courtroom. No excuses, just trying to get perspective.
 
Thanks Felicity Lemon for the link to www.shrink4men.com on previous thread. Good commentary on JA's attempt at self-mitigation and overview of some tricky, dark subject matter IMO.

:) Glad to share :) The WTF Fatigue article is what got me there. I've only read a few things on her website, and I have mixed feelings. Some really good info, she's a practicing psychologist, but she's got a paypal button and asks for donations to keep the site going. Odd. But, I'll go back another day and check it out further :)

I'm rewatching the Troy Hayden interview of ja from May 2013 right after her sentencing I think. I'm paraphrasing here:

They're talking about how the public feels about her and she says the sides are divided, but she guesses most are against her.

He asks her how she feels about that and she never says what SHE feels. Instead, she quotes something a psych told her about people's need to persecute. In other words, she turns it back on everyone else, that "people" (not her) are at fault. Again, I'm paraphrasing, but you get the drift. She takes no responsibility for anything, not even her own feelings. Maybe she never answered the question because she doesn't actually have any feelings?

I couldn't imagine how her parents felt trying to raise her, possibly something like Alien Spawn?
 
As inappropriate as that statement is, if true, I get the frustrations that must have been felt in that Courtroom. No excuses, just trying to get perspective.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the issue that the jury might have heard that? A judicial assistant should know better, I'd think. She can have her opinions but maybe keep them to herself.
 
Watching JM I bet he is so glad he NEVER has to do this trial again and thankful it's over... He spent 7 Yrs of his life getting justice for TA and putting that monster away. I hope she NEVER sees the light of day Ever again...


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Whoever it was that said that JM needed to be stabbed 27 times, it might serve that person well to be stabbed 27 times so they know what Travis felt like and so they know not to open their mouth and show their stupidity, insensitivity and crudeness. I am not in favor of violence but when anyone is stupid enough and callous enough to make that statement, then they are the one who should feel the pain!
 
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the issue that the jury might have heard that? A judicial assistant should know better, I'd think. She can have her opinions but maybe keep them to herself.

I totally agree. If jurors heard this statement, judicial assistant should be sanctioned. I
was responding to what I thought was an off the cuff remark outside of the jury presence. For example, I want to slap Nurmi, no jurors present.
 
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