The DA is on the record as IDI.
We know, Holdon. She was as far back in 1998, even though she knew none of the evidence. Frank Coffman once wrote that Lacy believed Patsy was innocent because of her own radical feminist beliefs I quote:
"She's a very pro-woman prosecutor and she felt that the cops were being much too tough on Patsy. She believed that men were not in a position to understand Patsy's mentality."
Doesn't sound like a very professional approach to me.
Sounds like sour grapes to me.
it WAS- on the DA's part. Read ST's book and you'll see that Lacy was a big problem for her own boss.
What do you mean 'maybe' an unknown male left their DNA at the crime scene? Can you elaborate on that?
Gladly. If it is the same, who's to say JB didn't spread it around herself?
The way I read it, an unknown male left DNA in TWO DIFFERENT FORMS in TWO DIFFERENT PLACES on the victim!! Hello??
That is the DA's opinion, and I have no reason to trust her.
And it would be no accident if she struck out in a rage for that would be an intentional act but imo none of the Ramseys struck this little girl, it was obvious they were totally devoted to her.
Blueeyes, I can list any number of parents who were totally devoted to someone before they killed them. When we say "Accident," we mean that she didn't mean to kill her. Yes, they were devoted to her. Maybe that was the problem. Maybe they loved her to death.
Obviously we are not all going to agree on this one. I confess I haven't followed this case closely, and pretty much lost interest after the Karr fiasco and Patsy's death.
The Karr fiasco is only one of many reasons why Lacy is not to be trusted with this case, Pepper.
1. I believe that what Lou Smit provided about the window, the suitcase, the grate, the lack of footprints due to no snow in the area, etc......is all credible.
I don't. In fact, it was his clumsy attempt to prove himself that was instrumental in my conversion.
2. I don't believe Patsy or John or anyone else in the family fits the profile of most who kill their kids. There is no poverty, history of mental illness, substance abuse, prior criminal behavior, affairs, prior child abuse, etc. that usually accompany killing one's own kid.
That means absolutely nothing. Most homicide bombers have no history of violence, either.
3. Most parents who kill their children kill ALL of them. Think Susan Smith, Andrea Yates, Diane Downs, and countless and nameless men who murder all their kids to get back at the mother.
Exactly. Those mothers either had obvious mental problems or were killing their kids to get back at their fathers, a la Medea (the Greek character, not the poster!). I don't think that was what happened. It's apples and handgrenades.
4. I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories. Mary Lacy may be inept as shown during the Karr fiasco, but I don't think she would intentionally color the evidence to either protect or indict the Ramseys.
We're not talking conspiracy theory, Pepper. We're talking about one person who made up their mind early on in this case and, thanks to the deficiencies of Boulder's electoral system, got into a postion of power to act on her biases. You may not know this, but when she took over the case, she made NO attempt to contact any of the investigators who actually worked the case and hired her own team, handpicked because they shared her view of the case. When one of them turned out to be a friend of one of the critics of the DA's office, he was let go for no apparent reason. HMM!
5. The note, while very weird, was not conclusively proven to be written by Patsy.
You're right about that, to a point. None of the analysts could say in court that she wrote it, but some said they knew it was her.
I would like to see several conclusions by handwriting analysts.
You got it:
Carol McKinley stated in the Fox News story that Ramseys sued Fox over: "Many forensic document examiners have given their opinions as to who wrote the note. But the only one to testify before a grand jury in the case was Chet Ubowski, forensic document examiner for the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. Out of 100 people he analyzed for the Boulder Police Department, he found ONLY ONE person whom he thought may have authored the document, Patsy Ramsey. Investigative sources tell Fox News that the disguised letters and bleeding ink from the felt tipped pen used to write the note kept him from 100 percent ID of Mrs. Ramsey."
But Schiller claimed "The police never bothered to ask Ubowski if he had put his entire analysis of the ransom note into his report. Either way, Ubowski was prepared to say, 'Patsy wrote the note.' The CBI saw this as another missed opportunity" (Schiller 1999a:536-537). Schiller further notes: "experts from the CBI presented their evaluations into evidence, including Chet Ubowski. He also told Pete Mang, his boss at the CBI, that his gut told him it was her handwriting" (Schiller 1999a:740)
That's just a starter.
The reason this case has never been brought to trial is that there is simply not sufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the Ramseys are or are not guilty. It's a stalemate
Again, you're right, in a way. They never had enough evidence as to which parent did what specific act. If they charge Patsy, she can blame John. If they charge John, he can blame her. Pete Hofstrom, one of the assistant DA's said, "so what if she wrote the note. it doesn't prove she killed her kid." And from a legal standpoint, he's right. Under the law, a prosecutor cannot charge them both with the same crime. One is the actual killer, the other is an accomplice.
What's more, in cases of domestic homicide, since the people live in the house, very often the cases are not solved by physical evidence, but by throwing each parent into a holding cell until one of them sells out the other. And if you don't believe me, ask Hedda Nusbaum. Her husband, Joel Steinberg, killed their adopted daughter, but both were there when it happened. They jailed both, she and her lawyers cut a deal for immunity and put Joel in prison for the murder. The Boulder police, the Keystone Kops as you call them, WANTED to do exactly that. But Alex Hunter, Mr. '60s liberal himself, said no. Said he didn't believe in such a "fascist" approach, even when the cops told him it's a standard tactic. "Not with me, it isn't." A golden opportunity lost, because of the DA. Who was the real screw-up in this case, Pepper?
There is nothing in Patsy's history that shows she was a violent woman or abusive to her children. If anything I think she most likely overly doted on them.
So what? That kind of naivete has no place in a DA's office.
It JB had her own blood under her nails it would help to degraded the sample imo.
She didn't. And it didn't. Bottom line.
