Do You Think We Will Ever Find Caylee?

[Short_Stuff]

Sadly I do not think Caylees body will ever be found. Also sadly, I think Casey will not get fully convicted of what she should be convicted of.

 

[El Gato]

i hear ya, but she hasnt been charged yet

as soon as her lawyer sees the evidence against her... he might say

"ohhhhh boy... this is a slam dunk....." we need a deal PLEASE

yep, lololol

 

[kathyn2]

I don't think they will ever find Caylee's body. I think if it wasn't in that dumpster that it was fed to the alligators. I do believe she put something in that dumpster and wish they would have done a better search back then when it was closer to the time she dumped something.

BUT I do believe she will be arrested for murder of some type. LE said in an interview today that she would be arrested in a couple of weeks. They must be waiting for confirmation of a test (I heard they tested everything 3 times for validity). I think they expect the test to come back the way they want it and when it does, they will arrest her for murder.

 

[kathyn2]

I think they have alot more evidence in this case than they did in scott peterson's and look where he is? However, they were lucky and her body rolled ashore or at least part of it did. Maybe Tim will be able to find some part of her when he gets back. pray pray pray. Where is he anyway??

Sadly I do not think Caylees body will ever be found. Also sadly, I think Casey will not get fully convicted of what she should be convicted of.

 

[DCReplay]

Sadly I do not think we will ever find out what happened to Caylee nor will we find her body. KC is not going to crack and her family will never turn on her. Just MHO.

Just like Scott Peterson. Not to mention that Scott Peterson is perfect for KC. A narcissitic sexaholic.

 

[Jennerbear]

I don't think she will be found. One can hope - but no.. not imo.

 

[Nemo]

she will tell LE where the body is - because they will give her LIFE in prison
versus the death penalty

that is when she will tell where the body is


i figure she will only save herself

That is my thought too.

 

[Baznme]

I think they have alot more evidence in this case than they did in scott peterson's and look where he is? However, they were lucky and her body rolled ashore or at least part of it did. Maybe Tim will be able to find some part of her when he gets back. pray pray pray. Where is he anyway??

Spoke to Erin today. They are still trying to put things back together again after hurricane Ike. The surge hit them pretty hard. The motorhome is still in the shop and they are continuing to try to locate missing people after the storm. Even in their own homes, the water was a foot above the floor. It's all they can do for now but I have been reassured that they will be back. I believe that at some point, she will be found.

 

[kathyn2]

Oh, I keep forgetting that TES was involved with Ike. What a shame. I am glad they all got home in time to do what they could there ( I think thats why they had to race home before Ike hit)... I hope they come back soon to look for Caylee.

 

[Themis]

... I got very discouraged thinking we might never know what happened to that little girl. <snipped>
I feel that if LE had anything they would have made their move, this is such a high profile case.

I'll take the second question first: If LE had anything they would have made their move because it is such a high profile case.

Casey was arrested on child neglect, charged as a 3rd degree felony on July 16, 2008. She was also arrested for various misdemeanor economic crimes on the same day and on several subsequent days thereafter. The United States Constitution, Amendment 6, entitles all criminal defendants to a speedy and public trial.

Generally, the State must bring misdemeanors to trial within
90 days and felonies within 175 days. Fla. R. Crim. P. 3.191(a).
When a felony and misdemeanor are consolidated for trial in a
circuit court, the speedy trial period for felonies applies to
the misdemeanor charge. Fla. R. Crim. P. 3.191(f). Although a
nolle prosequi does not toll the running of the speedy trial
period, charges may be refiled if the speedy trial period has not
run. See Williams v. State, 622 So. 2d 477 (Fla. 1993); State v.
Vixamar, 687 So. 2d 300, 303 (Fla. 4th DCA 1997), review denied,
695 So. 2d 703 (Fla. 1997). (State v. Jackson, April 2001.)

The first arrest date was August 16, 2009. The speedy trial deadline is 175 days after that or January 7, 2009.

Generally they will have a discovery period prior to that time to exchange information with the defense. There will be pre-trial motions. I would look to late November to early December for anything to happen on a homicide charge, if then. They could also withdraw and refile, but that may cause complications with bail.

This is a high profile case, but we are used to cases being committed, developed and tried in an hour, like on TV shows. In real life, it is best if they don't charge the homicide matter until they are ready. So, it will be on their time table, not ours. The longer it goes, the more witnesses and details they will have. It takes a lot of man-hours to investigate and prepare a case like this. The County has limited resources and manpower to handle this and I think they are doing an outstanding job.

So, you felt that if LE had a case they would have made their move already (charged the homicide) because it is a high profile case. I believe the opposite. I believe they are investigating the case thoroughly and making use of all the time they have to do it under the law. I believe they have a prima facia case. It looks like they have a fairly good case to convince a jury (IMHO). But, they have time and they are using it to make it an even stronger case. We won't know if they have a "beyond a reasonable doubt" conviction until the jury comes back with a verdict.

Second question: We might never know what happened to that little girl. No, we might not. However, our criminal just system is about social resolution to criminal offenses. Casey may be convicted and we might never know exactly what happened to that little girl. We might know from scientific evidence that she died. We might have a lot of information from which a jury could find that it was premeditated homicide or some lesser included offense. Will we ever be able to reconstruct what happened on the exact day that Caylee disappeared? Probably not. We don't have time machines.

What does this sleuther think happened? Casey had a legal duty to protect, provide for and care for her little girl. Casey did not. The little girl died as a result of something Casey did or did not do. The little girl is no longer alive and has no "needs" including a need for a "decent" burial. Those burial ceremonies are the way humans meet a need for closure for the mourners. The deceased doesn't have any needs; she no longer exists. What the people who cry for Caylee to be brought home and for a decent burial are saying is that "they" have a need for closure. The uncertainty is emotionally difficult.

Casey will be convicted of a homicide offense some time next year. She will do some prison time. After the legal proceedings are done and the appeal period has run; when there is no longer any legal threat left, Casey will probably tell somebody in the prison system what really happened. By then, the news deluge will be gone. It may or may not make the local papers.

We sleuthers probably won't know the truth about what happened to Caylee exactly. We may never get closure. Caylee already has closure -- extreme closure. There is nothing more anyone can do for her. She is now just a memory. The rest is about doing something to resolve the social need for criminal justice.

 

[reefshadow]

may take awhile if the gators got her
40 years from now may find her bones in the gut of a dead gator washed up on shore or captured.
:furious:

I am still hopeful. TES was very specific in this case about looking for a rolled up carpet and/or duffle bag. I think that if her death was an accident and not premeditated that KC would have rolled her up or contained her in something. Even with premeditated murder it would be a possibility that she would treat the remains like that.

 

[susnoat]

This case, more than any other, makes me want to bring back Spanish Inquisition style justice.

Just think of how many cases could be solved if there was a separate system where as LE could take evidence they have gathered so far, present it to a panel, or a grand jury, and authorize the use of more direct methods.

She would squeal like a pig in less than 5 minutes, and that will be the only way she will ever talk.

 

[lucy54]

I dont think Caylee will be found for awhile, if ever. My gut still tells me KC used a dumpster. I dont think she has the intelligence needed to sink a body in water. I dont think she would trek out into the woods either.

From what I know about sociopaths, I also do not think she will EVER tell the truth to where Caylee is or what really happened. I think LE will charge her w/ manslaughter if a body is never found.

 

[Baznme]

I'll take the second question first: If LE had anything they would have made their move because it is such a high profile case.

What does this sleuther think happened? Casey had a legal duty to protect, provide for and care for her little girl. Casey did not. The little girl died as a result of something Casey did or did not do. The little girl is no longer alive and has no "needs" including a need for a "decent" burial. Those burial ceremonies are the way humans meet a need for closure for the mourners. The deceased doesn't have any needs; she no longer exists. What the people who cry for Caylee to be brought home and for a decent burial are saying is that "they" have a need for closure. The uncertainty is emotionally difficult.

You're forgetting that Caylee had a need to "live".

We sleuthers probably won't know the truth about what happened to Caylee exactly. We may never get closure. Caylee already has closure -- extreme closure. There is nothing more anyone can do for her. She is now just a memory. The rest is about doing something to resolve the social need for criminal justice.

You are assuming that the social need is for criminal justice at this point only. This WS'er believes that the social need is to do something about halting this ultimate abuse to small children that have taken their right to live their life away from them however it happened and that's why it has become such a high profile case. Seeing justice to the end in this case is paramount as it represents all innocent children. People are fed up and if society doesn't do something, who will?

 

[Tracy1]

I don't think so, that open window for her has since closed.

Maybe, just maybe, the prosecution will entertain that...but I doubt it..

They already tried [/QUOTE

No, I think that could be still on the table. When they formally charge her in a couple weeks, I am hoping it will be Murder1 with death penalty specifications. Then, Casey may realize that this is not, nor has it ever been, the 'casey anthony pagent' where she is picked up by cars, whisked away as if shes attending a premier, and has her lawyer shield her from all the ugliness.
This will be the real deal. Bond revoked. No chance of LP or anyone bailing her out. Endless days awaiting trial. And maybe, just maybe, she will call the States Attorney and ask if she tells where the body is, can she get out of the death penalty.

You know friends, I think until this lates doc dump that I am certain knocked her back, including Jose Baez, on their heels, Baez was telling her he had it under control, theres no evidence, she can keep the Zanny story, etc.

This latest information and the lawsuit by Zenaida prohibiting her from using that story, I'm sure will play a part in making them less cocky and less willing to deal. If he is at least a moral attorney, he will tell Casey to take the deal and show where the baby is.

Hopefully, it will be game over. This week Casey's world just got a whole lot smaller.

 

[MediaMama]

I dont think Caylee will be found for awhile, if ever. My gut still tells me KC used a dumpster. I dont think she has the intelligence needed to sink a body in water. I dont think she would trek out into the woods either.

From what I know about sociopaths, I also do not think she will EVER tell the truth to where Caylee is or what really happened. I think LE will charge her w/ manslaughter if a body is never found.

My opinion as well. The landfill's just too much to go through at this point based on decomp timelines and the sheer size of it. And I also agree that she'll never tell...my experience with sociopaths is that they don't trust or believe truth even when confronted with it (ie, in her own mind) because they are incapable of living with it.

 

[EmMomma]

You're forgetting that Caylee had a need to "live".




You are assuming that the social need is for criminal justice at this point only. This WS'er believes that the social need is to do something about halting this ultimate abuse to small children that have taken their right to live their life away from them however it happened and that's why it has become such a high profile case. Seeing justice to the end in this case is paramount as it represents all innocent children. People are fed up and if society doesn't do something, who will?

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[Tracy1]

And I disagree with a few of you. They have BOATLOADS of evidence in this case. They just don't have the body. They will go to the grand jury and they will indict Miss Casey for murder by the end of October. And then they will not be intereted in her cooperation.
A big warning to Baez, with one of the most successful attorneys suing you and your client for the Zanny story, you better get her to tell the truth or alll of those pretty, little deals you plan on making to make you rich are going straight into Zanny's pocket!

 

[Blink34]

she will tell LE where the body is - because they will give her LIFE in prison
versus the death penalty

that is when she will tell where the body is


i figure she will only save herself

I agree Robot, and they will be re-setting this clock very shortly, kwim?

 

[Blink34]

I do hold out hope that we will find little Caylee and she will be given a proper burial. It may not be while searching, but even if by accident...I think someone will find her.

I don't think Casey will ever come clean with what actually happened tho. I do think LE has a lot of evidence against her.

I pray daily for this. I am in the minority with SS, but I am truly not ready to reconcile the thought of it. It is beyond unconscionable.