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[BlueCrab]

What reason would John have for leaving JB on his first "discovery" if, indeed he found her at 11:00? Even if he realized or suspected that Patsy may be involved what was gained by leaving her there?

Sally,

IMO, John first found JonBenet very early on the morning of the 26th, probably around 2 to 4 A.M. He likely moved the body around 11 A.M. to make it easier to find.

John wasn't credible when he said he didn't search the basement when they allegedly discovered JonBenet missing at 5:45 A.M. Of course he searched the basement. What father wouldn't? And if he searched the basement then he found JonBenet prior to the 911 call Patsy placed at 5:52 A.M.

Fleet White searched the basement that morning soon after he got there -- shortly after 6 A.M. When he looked into the wine cellar the body wasn't there. When he and John later searched the basement at 1:05 P.M. in the afternoon, the body was mysteriously there in the wine cellar -- in plain view. John had obviously moved JonBenet around 11 A.M. when he snuck off to the basement despite orders by Officer Arndt to the people in the house to stay in the sun room.

Fleet White knows John secretly moved the body, and therefore he is an eye witness to the fact that at least ONE of the Ramseys is involved in the death of JonBenet.

JMO

 

[sissi]

You are saying ,he found his dead daughter, and didn't call upstairs? Why would he do this? You think it is because when he found her he thought, Patsy's good for this? These are the kinds of suggestions that really can't fit into any scenario( and I have a working imagination). The Burke dunnit's would have to include that the Ramseys would have been minimally charged with obstruction of justice. (there would be no "closed" case) How exactly does John finding the body early work into anyone's idea of what happened?

easier to find? easier for him to find again? lost me!

 

[BrotherMoon]

Sally,

IMO, John first found JonBenet very early on the morning of the 26th, probably around 2 to 4 A.M. He likely moved the body around 11 A.M. to make it easier to find.

John wasn't credible when he said he didn't search the basement when they allegedly discovered JonBenet missing at 5:45 A.M. Of course he searched the basement. What father wouldn't? And if he searched the basement then he found JonBenet prior to the 911 call Patsy placed at 5:52 A.M.

Fleet White searched the basement that morning soon after he got there -- shortly after 6 A.M. When he looked into the wine cellar the body wasn't there. When he and John later searched the basement at 1:05 P.M. in the afternoon, the body was mysteriously there in the wine cellar -- in plain view. John had obviously moved JonBenet around 11 A.M. when he snuck off to the basement despite orders by Officer Arndt to the people in the house to stay in the sun room.

Fleet White knows John secretly moved the body, and therefore he is an eye witness to the fact that at least ONE of the Ramseys is involved in the death of JonBenet.

JMO

This is typical of BlueCrab pulling conclusions out of thin air.

Your conclusions are based on; "What father wouldn't" and "...the body wasn't there."

You can't generalize like that, infer an individual's behavior from an overview of "fatherly" behavior.

And Fleet said he couldn't see in the room, it was dark, yet you conclude it wasn't there. Pure BlueCrab, useless.

 

[TLynn]

JR also found the window open at that time and didn't say anything.

FW looked into the wine cellar, but didn't turn on the light...another "could go either way."

But if John moved the body around that time - would "livitity" (if that's the word) show up on JonBenet's body?

 

[BlueCrab]

But if John moved the body around that time - would "livitity" (if that's the word) show up on JonBenet's body?

TLynn,

Lividity would have been set by 11 A.M., and moving the body would not likely be detected so long as the body was placed in the same approximate position in the new location as it was in the old location.

JMO

 

[Sally]

How exactly does John finding the body early work into anyone's idea of what happened?

easier to find? easier for him to find again? lost me!

Yes, my thoughts exactly. For what reason could he possibly have left her there.

 

[BlueCrab]

This is typical of BlueCrab pulling conclusions out of thin air.

Your conclusions are based on; "What father wouldn't" and "...the body wasn't there."

You can't generalize like that, infer an individual's behavior from an overview of "fatherly" behavior.

And Fleet said he couldn't see in the room, it was dark, yet you conclude it wasn't there. Pure BlueCrab, useless.

BrotherMoon,

You're busy barking at the moon again instead of paying attention to the facts.

JOHN RAMSEY said he didn't search the basement. I didn't say it. I'm simply remarking on what John Ramsey said.

FLEET WHITE said the body wasn't in the wine cellar when he looked inside. I didn't say it. I'm simply remarking on what Fleet White said. Fleet further said that if JonBenet had been there on the floor, wrapped in white and relatively near the door, he would have seen her. Fleet insists SHE WASN'T THERE!

JMO

 

[Nehemiah]

The book is entitled "Cracking More Cases".

In regards to John finding the body and moving it, etc...my question is "why?" Why go to all that trouble? Why not, upon discovery, just proceed with a natural flow of events? If John indeed found the body earlier and moved it, then he had to have known/highly suspected that the murder was committed by a family member, imo. Otherwise, why compromise the crime scene in such a way? And why would a dad suspect a family member? If my child were murdered, I would not immediately think that my spouse or other kids did it. That doesn't seem logical to me unless he had knowledge of the situation and helped to stage the scene.

IMO

 

[BlueCrab]

The book is entitled "Cracking More Cases".

In regards to John finding the body and moving it, etc...my question is "why?" Why go to all that trouble? Why not, upon discovery, just proceed with a natural flow of events? If John indeed found the body earlier and moved it, then he had to have known/highly suspected that the murder was committed by a family member, imo. Otherwise, why compromise the crime scene in such a way? And why would a dad suspect a family member? If my child were murdered, I would not immediately think that my spouse or other kids did it. That doesn't seem logical to me unless he had knowledge of the situation and helped to stage the scene.

IMO

Nehemiah,



IMO John and Patsy walked in on the boys somewhere around 3:00 A.M. after JonBenet was already dead and the boys were almost finished with their bizarre and grisly staging.

The parents likely joined in at the end of the staging because, in addition to the damage the boys had already done, embarrassing erotic asphyxiation sex had been a part of the killing and the Ramseys were concerned about their social and business reputations being destroyed forever.

Historically, most families of accidental erotic and autoerotic asphyxiation victims try to somehow cover up the cause of death because of the embarrassment. The Ramseys would be no exception. Of course, if the killing was on purpose, the family would try to cover up that too.


JMO

 

[Sally]

IMO John and Patsy walked in on the boys somewhere around 3:00 A.M. after JonBenet was already dead and the boys were almost finished with their bizarre and grisly staging.

The parents likely joined in at the end of the staging because, in addition to the damage the boys had already done, embarrassing erotic asphyxiation sex had been a part of the killing and the Ramseys were concerned about their social and business reputations being destroyed forever.

:waitasec: Wow. What boys would this be? And still the question of what possible reason John would have for moving the body has not been addressed. If, as you say, he joined in on a staging, did he then decide later upon discovery at 11:00 that the staging was not effective and she needed to be moved? That finding her on the wine cellar floor seemed less suspicious to family involvenment? This makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[BlueCrab]

And still the question of what possible reason John would have for moving the body has not been addressed.

Sally,

John apparently moved JonBenet so she would be easier to find. Fleet White and the cops searched the house early that morning and no one found the body. I don't think John could take it any longer while pacing the floor upstairs, and likely moved the body late in the morning after sneaking downstairs.

Fleet White, despite the darkness, insists he would have seen the body in the wine cellar earlier in the morning if it had been there.

JMO

 

[sissi]

Hmm..
The Ramseys covered for their murderous son, by writing a ransom note, and placing a body in a "hard to find" spot, then on finding the "spot" was just too good, they brought the body out in the open a bit more.
Fleet was in the basement first, before John, he opened and relocked the door,some say put a chair in front of it, but nothing about his behavior seems suspicious. Even though the wine cellar wasn't really a wine cellar, Fleet had gone down there ,at night, and retrieved a bottle of wine once while visiting the Ramseys, so why the amnesia concerning light switch placement?
Fleet was quick to scoop up Burke, no Ramsey parent tried to hold on to the child in an effort to brief him before possible questioning by the police. No, Fleet took him. If there is a scenario here, it doesn't seem John Ramsey is involved.
IMO the Ramseys ,including Burke, do not know what happened that night!

 

[Sally]

Sally,

John apparently moved JonBenet so she would be easier to find. Fleet White and the cops searched the house early that morning and no one found the body. I don't think John could take it any longer while pacing the floor upstairs, and likely moved the body late in the morning after sneaking downstairs.

Blue Crab, Thank you for your reply,. I couldn't figure out why Jophn would want to move her. It doesn't seem like a likely scenario to me, but then will we ever know what happened that night.

 

[cherub]

Is it improper to call someone a idiot on this forum? :waitasec:

It is somewhat rude, allbeit ok I guess. :doh:

 

[cherub]

The book is entitled "Cracking More Cases".

In regards to John finding the body and moving it, etc...my question is "why?" Why go to all that trouble? Why not, upon discovery, just proceed with a natural flow of events? If John indeed found the body earlier and moved it, then he had to have known/highly suspected that the murder was committed by a family member, imo. Otherwise, why compromise the crime scene in such a way? And why would a dad suspect a family member? If my child were murdered, I would not immediately think that my spouse or other kids did it. That doesn't seem logical to me unless he had knowledge of the situation and helped to stage the scene.

IMO

I agree, I would not just suspect my family members unless there was some history.

 

[twizzler333]

It is somewhat rude, allbeit ok I guess. :doh:

That was me being facetious regarding another sometimes rude poster. Sorry.

 

[sissi]

From a 1992 profilers' report.

http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/cjrp/sadistic.html

IMO We should be looking for a killer, and I can only hope there is an ongoing investigation that's direction has moved away from this family.

 

[cherub]

:crazy: :blowkiss: lol

 

[jubie]

From a 1992 profilers' report.

http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/cjrp/sadistic.html

IMO We should be looking for a killer, and I can only hope there is an ongoing investigation that's direction has moved away from this family.

This is impossible. The one and only way to find who murdered JonBenet is to have a legitimate investigation and that would lead straight to the Ramsey family.


IMO
Jubie

 

[Nehemiah]

Hmm..Even though the wine cellar wasn't really a wine cellar, Fleet had gone down there ,at night, and retrieved a bottle of wine once while visiting the Ramseys, so why the amnesia concerning light switch placement?

Is it documented anywhere that Fleet couldn't find the light switch?