Dr. Phil Interviews Burke Ramsey (9/12 & 9/13 2016)

[jj44]

I was hoping to hear some comment by now to answer my nagging thought during these interviews. Maybe someone else has heard the reason they give. I know if I just found a RN and my child was missing u wouldn't b able to pry my son away from me to know he was safe. Also the "small" fact that the police dept was there with me in my home. One would think that would be the safest place for my son to be at the time. There was no body then just a "RN" I can't get past letting the other child out of your sight no less away from the home!

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[PositiveLight]

I was hoping to hear some comment by now to answer my nagging thought during these interviews. Maybe someone else has heard the reason they give. I know if I just found a RN and my child was missing u wouldn't b able to pry my son away from me to know he was safe. Also the "small" fact that the police dept was there with me in my home. One would think that would be the safest place for my son to be at the time. There was no body then just a "RN" I can't get past letting the other child out of your sight no less away from the home!

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That is also to me a big flag. BR said he felt "safe" in his bed. JR said he knew where Burke was and that he was safe and he was more worried about their missing child. Um. I have not read yet where he had police protection standing outside his door. How did JR know he was safe? Someone supposedly broke into their home and kidnapped their daughter. HELLO. My son would be up under me!

 

[PositiveLight]

Reading through this thread, I've seen many things being stated as if they are fact, and not a single link to back these statements up. Patsy said she used a flashlight to check on JonBenet? I've never heard that before. Patsy's dna was found on the pineapple? That's news to me.

Do we no longer provide links to back up what we state as fact?

I stated the DNA thing because I thought I had read that somewhere. I was looking for links but fell asleep. I have not found any documented evidence of DNA on the pineapple. The only evidence I did find was that Burke's fingerprint was on the glass of tea and both Burke and Patsy's fingerprints were on the bowl of pineapple.
http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682474/First Floor

 

[Boodles]

I was hoping to hear some comment by now to answer my nagging thought during these interviews. Maybe someone else has heard the reason they give. I know if I just found a RN and my child was missing u wouldn't b able to pry my son away from me to know he was safe. Also the "small" fact that the police dept was there with me in my home. One would think that would be the safest place for my son to be at the time. There was no body then just a "RN" I can't get past letting the other child out of your sight no less away from the home!

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jj, I completely agree. Even Patsy said (for the CNN audience) "hold your babies close...there's someone out there." But she sent BR off to a friend's house. Go figure!

That and the ransom note scream RDI to me. The only thing that doesn't scream RDI is the garrote. But I was thinking about that yesterday. What if Jonbenet was accidentally struck in the head and was showing signs of dying, such as breathing with the "death rattle" sound? And what if they thought she was suffering and wanted to make it stop, put her out of her misery. Maybe they thought of stopping her from breathing (thus stopping her suffering) but couldn't do the hands-on act. (It's making me sick typing this, sorry to be graphic about this poor child's death.) Other than the EA theory (which is equally sickening and I can't even spell it out), it's the only reason I can think of for the use of the garrote. Using a garrote would allow distancing from the act of suffocating the victim.

Unless one if the R's is a sadist, which I do not believe, it's the only explanation I can think of to explain the garrote.

 

[invaderzim]

That and the ransom note scream RDI to me. The only thing that doesn't scream RDI is the garrote.

Then maybe they got that part of the cover-up right?

 

[neesaki]

I wouldn't be so sure. If there is any justice in this world, Mr. McGraw (doesn't deserve that Dr. moniker any longer) is feeling some 'things' about his behavior.

I can't believe DP wouldn't be very concerned about B's behavior. I do see that he's nervous and seems very shy, and I actually feel a bit sorry for him. For some reason he makes me feel sad. . But beyond that his affect is so inappropriate. Even when they showed the clips of the police interviewing him when he was a boy, same affect, smiling when asked what happened to his sister, etc. I find it very disturbing, I can't believe Dr. Phil doesn't .

I wonder if DP thinks all of these years of B being a suspect in his sisters death has played a part in him being like he is, so he's trying to help him now by publicly standing up for him. And, I'm quite sure there would never have been an interview if he had done anything but that . Jmo

 

[neesaki]

I can understand you feeling that way, since you knew PR well and it would be hard to imagine. I've often wondered how I would feel and react if someone I knew was suspected of a terrible crime. My first instinct would be disbelief and then loyal support if the evidence is ambiguous. But I have known a few husbands who unexpectedly left their wives after months of planning, and it showed me that you don't always know people as well as you think you do. It's tough to swallow, for sure, and we never want to believe our friends are capable of wrongdoing. I feel for you. But I do agree with ifuonlyknew that the consequences of exposing Burke would likely lead to protective measures that were out of character for JR and PR. And if it wasn't BDI, I think JR and PR would very likely each protect their family reputation by covering for each other. No one really had anything to gain by exposing a family member...and a lot to lose.

There are no doubts in my mind they would do anything to protect their only surviving child. I would probably do the same thing given his age at the time. And maybe they should have intervened earlier, maybe they were ignoring too many red flags concerning Bs behavior . If I ever believed either parent was responsible for JBRs death, I don't any longer. I don't believe either of them could have done it, especially over something like bedwetting , no way. Jmo

 

[neesaki]

Has anyone ever questioned the Ramsey's about why they were apparently not in an absolute panic, or supposedly did not even ask WTF, when 10am came and went and there was no phone call from the kidnappers? Did they ever comment on this? Is there any reason to doubt Linda Arndt's statement? To me, this is the single biggest psychologically based circumstantial evidence in the entire case. It is INCONCEIVABLE that they actually believed she had been kidnapped yet were not waiting for that call to the exclusion of everything else?

That and the fact they invited a houseful of people over, I was like, WHAT?!!! You just don't do that if you believe your daughter was kidnapped and had a ransom note threatening her life.

 

[PositiveLight]

That and the fact they invited a houseful of people over, I was like, WHAT?!!! You just don't do that if you believe your daughter was kidnapped and had a ransom note threatening her life.

I could ALMOST believe the part that they called the cops without reading the full ransom note. ALMOST. But supposedly, JR was reading it while she called 911. He should've immediately stated something to the effect "WAIT!!! They said if we contact police they will behead her! Tell them to come secretly!!!!"
Then they call friends too?? Even though by now I'm sure that they had both read the damn ransom note. I don't care who ya are....that screams that something isn't right with the picture. Imho this is what first cued the cops to something not adding up. If I was a cop I would've said immediately: "why in the hell did you call us AND a house full of people when this note specifically stated the house was being watched??" Why didnt you TELL us this before we even came???"
Then immediately sealed off the house and removed everyone from inside.

But that's just me.

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[alwaysonmymind]

I can't believe DP wouldn't be very concerned about B's behavior. I do see that he's nervous and seems very shy, and I actually feel a bit sorry for him. For some reason he makes me feel sad. . But beyond that his affect is so inappropriate. Even when they showed the clips of the police interviewing him when he was a boy, same affect, smiling when asked what happened to his sister, etc. I find it very disturbing, I can't believe Dr. Phil doesn't .

I wonder if DP thinks all of these years of B being a suspect in his sisters death has played a part in him being like he is, so he's trying to help him now by publicly standing up for him. And, I'm quite sure there would never have been an interview if he had done anything but that . Jmo

I don't feel Burke voluntarily offered or willingly agreed to do the Dr Phil show. I believe John Ramsey was trying to get in front of the CBS Documentary airing tonight. Preemptive damage control.

All, my opinion only.

 

[garthmax]

Question: Where was the flashlight normally kept? What was the routine of JonBenet when she wet the bed? Did she wake up Patsy to make a clean up and clean up JonBenet with clean panties and nightgown? Was JonBenet found with clean underwear and clean nightgown and did she have any urine on her leg? My thought is if this is not BR, PR, Or JB it is someone very close to the family. Someone who knew PR vocabulary, the house layout, where the flashlight was stored, knots, the bonus, the alarm code if they had a house alarm. I would checking out who she sent the Christmas cards to and her address book, the answer is in there. I also don't think this person enter through the basement window, they had a key. Just how did they plan on taking JB through the window? I would have been impossible and why would you not just go through the doors. Also this is someone JB was not afraid of.

 

[garthmax]

I would definitely be comparing Dr. Phil's interview with the evidence again.

 

[bodester413]

After watching the Dr. Phil interview with Burke I went back and reread the police interview transcripts for Pasty and John. I was always of the opinion that a lot of what happened was done by a jealous, deeply disturbed child. It was even more obvious after being able to see Burke on Dr. Phil. Some of Jonbenet's crowns on the floor of her bedroom instead of up on the shelf like Patsy said they should have been. The heart drawn on her hand. The no,no,no and the heart found in the basement written on that news story about Johns successful business. The dumped box of John's Cuban cigars. The Christmas poem tore up and thrown in the trash. The police didn't really seem to make a big deal of it at the time, but even her dog seemed strange to me. It spent half the time at the neighbors house? Pasty tried to give a good excuse for that, but come on? I little girl gets a dog and it spends half the time away from her? Get real. It's so easy to figure out why that dog was across the street half the time. They were afraid for it. I don't have the exact quote but when Burke was asked why he didn't come out of his bedroom he said he like to avoid conflict and was scared. Yeah, like when you are the cause of the conflict that's going on outside your bedroom door. Then it makes total sense. No wonder Dr. Phil freaked out and went out of his way to make fun of anyone that thinks any of the family had anything to do with it. His guest practically admitted it on tv. So I guess now we are supposed to believe an intruder with the intellect of a jealous 10 year old broke in and did all of it? ....and Patsy and John covered for him/her because why?...

 

[Frigga]

^^^ Post of the day!

 

[minazoe]

I just thought about the ransom note...If I were patsy...I would have run out of the house down the driveway...up and down the block, screaming looking for a car with my child...screaming for the neighbors...I call b.s..

 

[sgrump]

Burke didn't look like a normal almost 30 year old man. It looked like he got a lollipop with his hair cut and his mom picked out his clothes. We know that didn't happen but he was likely told or given what to wear. It was blue for the same reason any lawyer tells their client to wear blue, it just looks more honest. Patsy had a blue suit at the ready when the indictment was read. His shoes looked uncomfortable too, fresh out of the box. I'll be waiting for installment 3 with Dr Phil but he's out of the loop if he only mentioned bedwetting and not the soiling behavior.

 

[Madeleine74]

Burke didn't look like a normal almost 30 year old man. It looked like he got a lollipop with his hair cut and his mom picked out his clothes.

OK my bad for taking a big swig of tea (Jasmine tea for those who might be curious) and then reading the above. LOLOL. And... cleanup on aisle 7.

 

[UKGuy]

DP's FB page is doing some major damage control this weekend. I suppose it's ramped up in honor of tonight's CBS program? Reminds me of some of Pat Korten's antics back in the day. Who needs Korten when you've got DP and LW?

Nehemiah,

No luck for Quick Draw McGraw, DP and LW are old school fixers, they totally forgot about the internet.

Now BR is out there for the world to see telling everyone, pineapple snack:Um Maybe, Oh an I snuck downstairs too, pause ... Big Smile.

The genie is out of the bottle, JR's days of spinning are over, and he has probably no money left to litigate.

.

 

[dizzychick]

Re: ID Paula Zahn, this old fart ( sorry it just angered me) I didnt catch his name, said they hired 2 seperate attorneys and that it suggested conflict of interest between JR and PR, BALONEY ! Duh- in every case where there are 2 parties they MUST by law hire 2 attorneys other wise if something that was a conflict showed up who would the 1 attorney represent? Geesh I thought everybody in the legal field knew this but this old codger tried to make it sound like they had some knowledge of the crime just for hiring 2 lawyers, this is TV for ya

 

[dizzychick]

One show I watched or somewhere i read, Burke's and Patsy's fingerprints were on the pineapple bowl, but in another show or/read said friend's and neighbors were washing up all around the house destroying evidence. One show said they followed the cops cleaning up after every dusting of prints etc. I get more confused the more I read and see about this case. Grrr