Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

[RR0004]

Yeesh.
I'm aware Casey had no job.
I'm aware she stole from other people.
I'm not making her better or worse than she is.
The post that started this was:



And this post:


All I'm saying is my parents never "verified" my employment when I was in my 20's. And I'm sure if I showed them emails from my boss (why would they assume they were fake?) and a nametag I needed to get in the building.....they would have yelled at me for wasting my paycheck on something else before they thought they needed to verify my employment.

Well, when I was in my 20s and still living at home my parents handed over my bills the moment I told them I had a job (phone, car insurance, etc). I wonder how the As then reconciled Casey's stealing from them if they believed she had a job?

 

[essies]

Watching part three:
Cindy in all her wisdom say's regarding Caylee drowning..."At least I knew Caylee didn't suffer"... ????

OMG If I had actually heard that-I wouldn't have a working TV!!!!:banghead:

 

[What'sThatClue]

I noticed at the end of today's broadcast DP aired an e-mail that either CA or GA or both sent him thanking him and that it mentioned them being in California. LOL, I remember we all thought they had flown to Texas so we must not have tracked them very well. Or, all the way.
Or maybe they had filmed this at another time.

The interview was, imo, 'a waste. A huge waste.'

 

[SyraKelly]

I think there are different levels of evil, but I can see where some would think of evil in different ways as well, and I can respect that.

I wish I could remember his name, but there is a guy who made a scale from 1 to 22, and the show he has on the ID network is where he goes over cases and puts the offenders in different categories. Not all of them are murderers. I'd love to see what category he would put Casey in, and I wish he'd put Cindy in a category too (I think he only does those who have been convicted, though). It was really fascinating for me to watch this show. I think it gives a lot of insight into the different levels of evil out there.

I think Cindy is a lower level of evil - not up to murder, but definitely up to immoral activities and making others suffer for her perfect world to keep existing. I think of it in terms of child abuse - if murder was the only evil, why would neglect and abuse still exist and be thought of so badly? Not every child dies from neglect or abuse either. So if a child is neglected or abused, that's not evil? I think it is, just not the same level as murder. That tells me that there are different levels of wrong when dealing with children. I think that also applies as to how adults deal with each other too. I can't say that accusing other people of a murder and treating them like total trash is not evil. It's not nearly as high as murder itself, but it is a blatant disregard for humanity and morals to justify a sick fantasy world of perfection that only exists for Cindy Anthony. That is definitely a level of evil to me. But no, she is not equal to Casey as Casey is the one who murdered her child. I would never put them on an equal level of evil.

The show was Most Evil-Dr.Michael Stone!

 

[fifteen89]

Sorry. I deleted my post after seeing you reply to someone else. I realized I was repeating the same thing someone else had said.

One thing I did want to say is that my parents did my taxes until I was 25. I had to give to them paperwork for that every year. Also, if they had asked me, I would have shown they paystubs and even deposits into my bank account, especially during the time that I was living with them. Casey was still living at home off of her parents. They had every right to investigate and see if she was really working. Instead, Cindy indulged in a fantasy world that did not match reality and prevented George from destroying that fantasy world. Now if Casey lived on her own and paid for herself, then her parents had no right to see if she was really working. But she was living under her parent's roof, and that means she should have been abiding by their rules. But she refused to, and Cindy just made herself blind to it. George took it even further by going to where Casey worked and of course, verified she didn't work there. Cindy could have done that as well, but she never did, never bothered to do so. There are many, many ways to verify employment. It's not impossible to do.

Now maybe they didn't have a standing legally to get this info on their own, but they certainly could have demanded it from Casey, and never did. Or go to her job and ask if she worked there. I'm sure they could have gotten that information quite easily.

All IMO, btw. And I'm trying to be respectful. I hope I don't come off any other way.

Yes, they could have asked. My point is just because a child may constantly ask to borrow money from me or may be taking cash out of my wallet or stealing from me or other people.....that wouldn't make me think "oh, I better verify that he/she has a job!"

My first thought would be they're wasting their money going out to eat, drink and party at night, going out to lunch with co-workers every day, maybe they're spending their money on drugs or they're an alcoholic going through bottles of vodka every day. My first thought would not be that they don't have a job.

Now, I'm taking my imaginary stick and walking away from the dead horse.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

:cow:

The only thing I ever want to hear from George Anthony's "mouth" is the TRUTH ! And this will ONLY happen IF -- a BIG IF when GA gets ready to MOVE forward and LEAVE Cindy ...

It is MY opinion that George is there for the $$$$$ ... hopefully this is all the $$$ they will get and that no one else donates to them ...

And IF -- a BIG IF -- GA ever decides to "tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" ... I "MIGHT" listen. After 3 years of lies and cover-ups, I still do not know if I would believe anything George would have to say ...

Now as to Cindy ... NEVER ... I never want to hear a word out of her mouth again ...

She will FOREVER tell the same lies and stories ... it is about her "image" and the felon's image ...

She will defend the "felon" until she takes her last breath ! sick ... absolutely sick ...

MOO ...

 

[Krisy]

:banghead:Ugh...the crazy grin, when she says KC knows I'm mad at her.

 

[RR0004]

I have not read through the whole thread yet so forgive me if this has been asked and answered.

Did Cindy say what evidence there was of drowning?

None was brought in at trial. The drowning was a theory at trial, and theories are just opinions because they often do not have evidence proving them as anything else. But Cindy believes there was more evidence of drowning than anything else.

I have to ask, WHAT EVIDENCE OF DROWNING WAS THERE?

Did Phil just let her statement go (as he has done with the majority of her statements) or did he expand on this in attempt to answer the question?

Because he certainly should have!

Nor did he really call her on her perjury...he did question her about it, but just accepted the fact (according to CA) that the SA wasn't filing charges. Maybe the SA should remind her why they didn't 'cause it sure wasn't because she didn't commit it by lying on the stand.

 

[KarmaGet'em]

Watching part three:
Cindy in all her wisdom say's regarding Caylee drowning..."At least I knew Caylee didn't suffer"... ????

Well, that explains why they did not take down the pool. Caylee did not suffer. Because all drowning victims go peacefully. *sarcasm* :doh: hdear:

GMAB - CA needs to just stop talking. :footinmouth:

 

[PeteyGirl]

John and Patsy Ramsey did the same thing and I am sure there are many others who do it when caught in a corner, they freeze and try to blame others.

Cindy was very good to Caylee and loved her dearly. I cannot apply the title "evil" to Cindy - Evil is left for the likes of Manson and his idiot followers who did what he wanted.

But we disagree.

Probably mostly in how we each define the word "evil"

The more I see how Cindy behaves in the aftermath of Caylee's death, I have trouble seeing "love" as I define it, too. I sobbed with her when she was on the stand in the beginning of the trial. I'd probably feel very close to tears if I watched it again. She appeared to be anyone's Grandma grieving the horrific disappearance of her beloved granddaughter. In that, she was any grieving Grandma.

I just think who people ARE is a whole fabric. Can a person love their grandbaby and yet be a destructive and selfish person? Yes. But their love is part of the same fabric as their destructive and selfish acts. It is affected by those negative things. Maybe I am just very cynical, but I hear you . . . that the love can also affect the negative things about Cindy, too.

My personal opinion of her is not good, even worse after the Dr Phil interviews. At one time, I completely forgave Cindy, after watching her react to the 911 calls while she was on the stand. I don't know quite how to reconcile the Cindy on the stand bend double with pain and the rest of her lol :waitasec:

 

[Noddy]

I think there are different levels of evil, but I can see where some would think of evil in different ways as well, and I can respect that.

I wish I could remember his name, but there is a guy who made a scale from 1 to 22, and the show he has on the ID network is where he goes over cases and puts the offenders in different categories. Not all of them are murderers. I'd love to see what category he would put Casey in, and I wish he'd put Cindy in a category too (I think he only does those who have been convicted, though). It was really fascinating for me to watch this show. I think it gives a lot of insight into the different levels of evil out there.

I think Cindy is a lower level of evil - not up to murder, but definitely up to immoral activities and making others suffer for her perfect world to keep existing. I think of it in terms of child abuse - if murder was the only evil, why would neglect and abuse still exist and be thought of so badly? Not every child dies from neglect or abuse either. So if a child is neglected or abused, that's not evil? I think it is, just not the same level as murder. That tells me that there are different levels of wrong when dealing with children. I think that also applies as to how adults deal with each other too. I can't say that accusing other people of a murder and treating them like total trash is not evil. It's not nearly as high as murder itself, but it is a blatant disregard for humanity and morals to justify a sick fantasy world of perfection that only exists for Cindy Anthony. That is definitely a level of evil to me. But no, she is not equal to Casey as Casey is the one who murdered her child. I would never put them on an equal level of evil.

:seeya: Hi Aedrys. I think that show is Most Evil with Michael Stone. I remember OneLostGirl talking about it on a thread.

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv/most-evil/most-evil.html

 

[amysmom]

I just don't get this, Cindy keeps saying the SA office was going to bury George with allegations of molestation.......was she even in the courtroom? Did I miss something or did all that stuff come from the DEFENSE??????

CA said it was the SA that told her a week before trial the DEFENSE planned to throw GA under the bus but she claims she didn't know exactly how..What kinda surprised me (altho it shouldn't) was her POV the allegations against him came from the DEFENSE rather then Casey..She surely has to know that's NOT allowed..They can't just make up whatever they want in an effort to get their client off..It must be told to them by the client & I think? they must believe they're telling the truth vs making up a total fabrication..Once again CA was attempting to take the heat off OCA by implying someone else (Baez) was to blame for those sick LIES..She simply doesn't care her POV can lead to BIG trouble with the BA for Baez & Co..Just more proof there's nothing she won't do to protect herself & OCA! :banghead:

 

[Omachka]

After Dr. Phil asked Cindy if she'd have Casey back in her home, Cindy said yes she would and at the end of her sentence she said " I want to finally know the troof"... well it came out "troof" because she tried very hard to pull that word back... after all hasn't she spent the past 3 hours of interview saying she already knows what happened. Dr. Phil should have come back and said he thought she already said she knew the truth and it was a drowning. That one statement with body language showing how she didn't mean to say that tells me she isn't in denial at all but working her best to make Casey look better. I think she and George really are on the same page but she can't admit it to others. MOO

 

[RR0004]

I'm watching the program now, with Dr. Phil and the Anthony's. I think he is way too soft on them. I'm very disappointed. JMO

I left the room after watching only for a short time, but caught the end when he said to go on his site and voice opinions (yeah, right). This was so self-serving...for Dr. Phil that is (how many Today Show appearances has he made?). I hope the opposite is true for the Anthonys and it buries them and their foundations.

 

[Aedrys]

The show was Most Evil-Dr.Michael Stone!

:seeya: Hi Aedrys. I think that show is Most Evil with Michael Stone. I remember OneLostGirl talking about it on a thread.

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv/most-evil/most-evil.html

Yes, thanks to the both of you! That is the show I'm talking about! It really is a fascinating show!

 

[PeteyGirl]

I think there are different levels of evil, but I can see where some would think of evil in different ways as well, and I can respect that.

I wish I could remember his name, but there is a guy who made a scale from 1 to 22, and the show he has on the ID network is where he goes over cases and puts the offenders in different categories. Not all of them are murderers. I'd love to see what category he would put Casey in, and I wish he'd put Cindy in a category too (I think he only does those who have been convicted, though). It was really fascinating for me to watch this show. I think it gives a lot of insight into the different levels of evil out there.

I think Cindy is a lower level of evil - not up to murder, but definitely up to immoral activities and making others suffer for her perfect world to keep existing. I think of it in terms of child abuse - if murder was the only evil, why would neglect and Iabuse still exist and be thought of so badly? Not every child dies from neglect or abuse either. So if a child is neglected or abused, that's not evil? I think it is, just not the same level as murder. That tells me that there are different levels of wrong when dealing with children. I think that also applies as to how adults deal with each other too. I can't say that accusing other people of a murder and treating them like total trash is not evil. It's not nearly as high as murder itself, but it is a blatant disregard for humanity and morals to justify a sick fantasy world of perfection that only exists for Cindy Anthony. That is definitely a level of evil to me. But no, she is not equal to Casey as Casey is the one who murdered her child. I would never put them on an equal level of evil.

Even though I've used the word "evil" a lot in the past several posts, I don't use it or even think with the word in my head a lot in my life. A recent poster brought up M. Scott Peck's book "People of the Lie", where he uses the word "evil" in a new way, a combination of old fashioned moralism and clinically. Not exactly scientific but it "works" for me.

A person with such blatant disregard as you say Aedrys is what I mean, too, when I use the word "evil" in my posts. You can blatantly disregard in a continuum of ways, from emotional/verbal abuse to murder. A matter of degree

IMHO abusiveness is like an umbrella term for everything from neglect and disregard to such disregard as to take someone's life. Yeah, they hardly seem related but so do many things on opposite ends of the same idea.

When I compare Casey to Cindy in my head, I think "At least Cindy didn't kill HER children." (or, neglect them to death or thoughtlessly do something to cause their death).

 

[mbutterfly]

I think there are different levels of evil, but I can see where some would think of evil in different ways as well, and I can respect that.

I wish I could remember his name, but there is a guy who made a scale from 1 to 22, and the show he has on the ID network is where he goes over cases and puts the offenders in different categories. Not all of them are murderers. I'd love to see what category he would put Casey in, and I wish he'd put Cindy in a category too (I think he only does those who have been convicted, though). It was really fascinating for me to watch this show. I think it gives a lot of insight into the different levels of evil out there.

I think Cindy is a lower level of evil - not up to murder, but definitely up to immoral activities and making others suffer for her perfect world to keep existing. I think of it in terms of child abuse - if murder was the only evil, why would neglect and abuse still exist and be thought of so badly? Not every child dies from neglect or abuse either. So if a child is neglected or abused, that's not evil? I think it is, just not the same level as murder. That tells me that there are different levels of wrong when dealing with children. I think that also applies as to how adults deal with each other too. I can't say that accusing other people of a murder and treating them like total trash is not evil. It's not nearly as high as murder itself, but it is a blatant disregard for humanity and morals to justify a sick fantasy world of perfection that only exists for Cindy Anthony. That is definitely a level of evil to me. But no, she is not equal to Casey as Casey is the one who murdered her child. I would never put them on an equal level of evil.

Those words express it so well. Cindy is so inured to doing what it takes to create the illusion of perfect world, she is unaware of the cruelties she commits in the process. IMO

 

[Aedrys]

I left the room after watching only for a short time, but caught the end when he said to go on his site and voice opinions (yeah, right). This was so self-serving...for Dr. Phil that is (how many Today Show appearances has he made?). I hope the opposite is true for the Anthonys and it buries them and their foundations.

Did he really ask for opinions on his website? Oh boy is THAT going to be interesting! He's going to regret saying that!

 

[amysmom]

If what CA said is true about Lee (that he'd also be willing to help OCA find a place to live) then I've been ALL wrong about him! I do believe it's true the plan was to include Lee in the 'molestation' angle far more then he was but his 'sister' decided she couldn't go along with it=why he was never asked about it by Baez..What she doesn't get is the damage was already done & it looks like Lee doesn't get it either! What a SAP! I no longer feel the least bit SORRY for him that his rep has been ruined & most likely for life..It's totally up to him to make this RIGHT & if he chooses not to do so (by staying really pissed & wanting nothing to do with 'sis') then he deserves whatever comes his way.

 

[krkrjx]

:seeya: Hi Aedrys. I think that show is Most Evil with Michael Stone. I remember OneLostGirl talking about it on a thread.

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv/most-evil/most-evil.html

Cindy is not an offender in the legal sense so he would never include her. But...he could do an entire show on Casey and I would be sure to visit the room down the hall prior to the show's start, so as to not miss a word of it.