Dr Phil w/ George and Cindy Anthony (Show airs 9.13.2011)

[snowdaze]

aw this makes me so very sad. I think I need to step away, I feel like I'm going backwards here. Sweet little baby Caylee you will never be alone again. We all love you and think of you often!

I'm with you here. Time to step away! Off to take the blood pressure meds...

 

[Little Black Dress]

Cindy is over being angry over the lies Casey told during the 31 days? I am not over the lies that both she and Casey told to impede the whole investigation!


She should have been outraged that any 2 year old was murdered in the way little Caylee was and thrown away like trash. The fact that it was her own granddaughter that was murdered in this way should outrage her to no end!

Seems the Dr. Phil interview went over like a lead balloon, and almost no one believed a word out of Cindy's mouth. The reviews should show George and Cindy what people think of them! She will be so angry that George got a couple of good reviews and she got none.

MOO

Bolding mine. I'm reminded of Dr. Phil's comments in some promos/interviews I saw of his in the last few days, to the effect that 'no matter what you think of the Anthonys NOW, this interview is sure to change your opinion of them'.

Really? Not so much, Dr. Phil! All the interview has done for me so far is to completely reconfirm for me EXACTLY what I know them to be.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

bbm
really Cindy?
**sigh**

Sounds like Cindy was/is "bargaining" with G-d

BTW, nice to see you, neighbor.

 

[logicalgirl]

Absolutely Pathetic! Three years. A dead child thrown in a swamp. A car that smells of death. Testimonies. Depositions. Hearings. All evidence points to FCA. The Trial. Pathetic and very very sad to find the Anthony's have taken one step forward and two steps back. And Pathetic.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

Thanks jaimiect for the this info on part 2 of the interview:
CA says something happened to FCA on June 16th that made her lose her mind, something traumatic.
GA says he purchased handgun to find out answers.
GA discussing suicide note, he had such a hard time losing Caylee. He blames
FCA. He does believe FCA was involved as well as someone else?GA being interviewed alone, DP asking about affair, GA denies any involvement with River. GA denies comment about accident snow balling out of control.
GA believes his reputation has been destroyed.
GA believes the trial was a smear campaign against him to create reasonable doubt. GA believes they accomplished their goal.
GA says he was never involved and if he was why were charges never brought against him?
GA believes FCA buried Caylee in the woods, possibly with help.
GA weeping about Caylee being left in the woods.
Back to both CA and GA being interviewed together.

CA believes Caylee drowned accidently but does not believe GA was involved.
GA does not want to believe Caylee drowned in the pool and somehow ended up in the woods.
GA believes something else happened to Caylee. He believes Caylee was drugged/sedated by FCA and someone else. He believes Caylee was in the back of trunk.
Never heard about the drowning theory until a few weeks before trial.
GA believes FCA wanted a different lifestyle.
CA disagrees with everything GA is saying. CA is saying she never heard GA say this before.
CA is saying there is no proof FCA did drugs.
CA is angry about what she has been put thru the last 3 yrs.
How did Caylee get into the woods?

GA believes FCA borrowed shovel.
CA also believes this but that she used it to cut bamboo.
CA is not suspicous of FCA using shovel.
CA says she knows FCA new where Caylee bodies was.
CA believes FCA had knowledge of where Caylees body was.
GA cant excuse FCA for any of this.
CA says FCA should not have put Caylee in the woods but what were the A's going to do any way, Caylee was already dead.



GA says he was never involved and if he was why were charges never brought against him?
IIRC at some point wasn't GA granted immunity in return for answering some of LE's questions under oath? If so, could that be why charges were never brought against him?

 

[NavySubMom]

As I said up thread - I don't believe CA actually said she talked to her - she said FCA sounded upset, but can't remember what the conversation was about. To me this is a huge red flag of a mistruth - what we would call liar liar pants on fire -in other words she didn't answer or pick up any of the calls but listened to a message or two much later.

I think she was either still very angry with FCA or thought she was going to beg her to babysit. I don't believe FCA was calling for help - I think she was planning what she had to do with Caylee and didn't want to be interrupted.

Why am I recalling that on June 16th, CA testified (in a hearing? at trial?) that the felon called her several times to try to get her to babysit that night. I remember CA stating she was in a meeting, so the calls went to voicemail, and she had to work late or something, so she could not (would not) babysit that night? I am clearly remembering this, maybe I have the wrong night? :waitasec:

In any event, when someone has the nerve to blatantly perjure themselves in a trial, under oath, I tend to never believe anything that person says, that is just me.

Anyway, the more CA speaks, the more solid I am in my belief (and many other people's belief) that she confronted the felon the night she got home from the nursing home (15th) about stealing from the grandfather, HUGE fight, the felon leaves and Caylee ends up dead. NOT AT ALL what CA testified to at trial, that her and the felon and Caylee were 'snuggled' in bed watching video from that day, IMO this was another blatant lie. IMO, CA knows that fight is "the straw that finally broke the camel's back". As someone else posted, it this was really an "accident", the camel's back would not have broken. MOO :maddening:

I do not think she is in denial, I think she knows the felon killed Caylee, I just don't know if she has even spoken it out loud to anyone, nor will she. and until she does speak it, she will never be able to move on. You are only as sick as your secrets. and IMO, CA has many regarding the death of Caylee.

IMO, MOO, etc.

 

[Phumi]

I remember the babysitting thing from trial testimony as well. Also, Cindy told Dr. Phil that she thought KC was keeping Caylee away from her on purpose. But, Phil didn't ask WHY KC would do that. IMO it was because of the fight.

 

[okiedokietoo]

CA says Caylee did not die in the woods. She still is not sure what happened. Has prayed for 3yrs. When the verdict came in CA finally got her answer. It was an accident. God would never have let FCA walk if it was something sinister.
CA believes something is seriously wrong with FCA (mentally).
GA not saying much.

End of show..much more to come with CA and GA in the next few days.

I don't remember bbm part? But if true, the voice that answered her prayers and said "Lie, make up stories and commit perjury" was not the voice of God.

(my first and last Religion based post)

 

[okiedokietoo]

Dr. Lillian Glass's take on the Dr. Phil show with the A's

George and Cindy Anthony Elicit Even More Public Hatred While Lying About Seizures And All Else on Dr. Phil

http://drlillianglass.com/body-lang...lying-about-seizures-and-all-else-on-dr-phil/

Thank for posting this.
I would not want to get into a street fight with this woman - she hits below the belt!

 

[zippitydoda]

Actually, Casey let herself sit in jail for three years. The defense can only do what their client allows them to do. If she was telling the defense there was nothing wrong with her, and she didn't do this so defend her, then they had to go along with that. I bet she refused to go along with any scenario that put any responsibility on her. Casey has no one to blame but herself for being in jail three years. (And I can't stand the defense either, don't get me wrong).

At that time, the DT had to know that FCA would be convicted of the 4 counts of lying to LE, and the check fraud. At a minimum, she would have done 3 years on these counts. And FCA did these 3 years in what someone could suggest was the best possible conditions. Protective custody - not general population like anyone else. I have always believed that the DT pushed the trial back so that FCA had hit the 3 year mark...In the end, FCA walked away with time served.

 

[Justin Tyme]

Thank you to those who have updated us on the show today - I did not watch it.

Regarding CA's answer during the show about the calls FCA made on June 16 to her...http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/depos/cindyanthonydepo072909.pdf

Q All right. Starting then with June 16th of 2008, tell me what contact you had with Casey.
CA: I think we played phone tag. I believe she called me on my cell.
Q On June 16th?
CA: On June 16th.
Q Okay. For what purpose?
CA: Just to check in and to let me know that --she said that she and Caylee were going to stay at -at Zanny's house. Crash at Zanny's, is what she said.

Later in the depo
Q Okay. When you spoke with her on the phone, was there any sense of urgency --
CA: No. Not at that time.
Q -- in her voice? Panic? Anything that you as her mother would recognize as distress?
CA: No. I did not -- I did not sense that at that time.
Q Do you believe that that is something that you would have been able to detect?
CA: Probably, yes.

CA is consistent – I’ll give her that. So evasive and unsure when she wants to be, but can recite – one year after the fact in July 2009, a short “where are you call” she had with FCA, just look at the details she is able to recall about people she never met. This is the same depo...

CA: Until -- well, she was supposed to head back on Sunday and then they decided to stay at the park when I spoke to her Sunday. They were going to leave Sunday and they decided because they did not have an opportunity to do anything with the girls on Sunday, so they were going to take the children to Busch Gardens and the Animal Kingdom. So she said she was going to come home on Monday, the -- I think that was the 23rd.

Q Okay

CA: And -- because Raquel, I guess, had come over, over the weekend and stayed with the girls. And Casey and Juliet and Annabelle and Caylee were in Casey's car following them and she said they were a few cars ahead and Zanny had gotten into an accident. So she had gone to the hospital with Zanny and Juliet had taken the girls back to the hotel and checked back in to the hotel in Tampa. They had just gotten onto, I think, 75 to come back to 1-4 when the accident happend.

btw - I also noticed that CA's depo is 666 pages. Dear Lord - almost everything about this case and these people is bizarre and scary.

On CA's recall. She does have good recall along with selective memory. I recall one video in the past when she was doing a depo. I was amazed at her recall for dates and times and so was the interviewer. He even said so to her. I think that both she and FCA have photographic memories. Not saying that they're intelligent, just saying that I think that they both have photographic memories along criminal type minds. A dangerous combination. What I found interesting is that both FCA and CA work better under stress. For those that want to understand better what I mean by her "Selective memory" it equates to "her manipulations". All IMHO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

KC was furious that she was talked to by Cindy the way she was and the physical confrontation and the best way to get back at Cindy was to kill Caylee - Period - end of story. That is what she did. And CINDY KNOWS IT. Cindy knows that she should never have left the baby with KC and she put the baby in harm's way with KC.

I have thought this from day one.

The straw that broke the camel's back is when Cindy went ballistic because her thieving daughter had struck again but this time she had stolen from her grandparent.

And yes, Cindy knows this is why Caylee died, imo.

Psychopaths are not bonded to their children. They merely see them as extensions of themselves. So that is why Casey was capable of doing all of this without any remorse.

Accuses falsely.
Play the victim always.
Constantly manipulates.
History of stealing.
pathological liar. etc. etc.

And psychopaths can be some of the most horrific backstabbers imaginable. You cross them they are going to pay you back with a vengeance ten times over.

That is why Cindy runs from the truth. She knows she made a grave mistake by standing up to her psychopathic daughter and Caylee was the tool Casey used to bring Cindy to her knees. Casey thought: "I'll show you who is in control" and she did show her.

This is why Casey could murder her daughter........throw her body away and walk away like nothing ever happened. In Casey's mind Cindy deserved this punishment for daring to go up against her, imo

No one confronts a psychopath and walks away unscathed.

IMO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

While I've tried to keep up with this discussion for the past two days, I'm sure that I've missed things along the way. The Anthonys supposedly mentioned something about Casey urinating when she might have had a seizure. This reminded me of the vulgar photo of Casey urinating in a parking lot. Should we assume that she was having a seizure then, too? Has anyone mentioned this?

 

[2goldfish]

What I am seeing in CA is her phenomenal ability to rationalize Casey's behavior and create her own "reality". I'm starting to see why Casey turned out to be the way she is. Casey has never been accountable for her own actions her entire life.

The real shame of it all is it was Caylee that paid the price of all the evil.

bbm same....I just didnt grasp it in CA before...I "made excuses" for her, if you will....how iornic, as ann finnell was trying to tell us this all along :sigh:


eta: you all MUST NOT interpret my statements today as thinking I mean OCA shouldnt be rotting on her heinie in jail forever....she STILL had free will. NO EXCUSE. clearly CA is just as crazy as OCA and well, OCA is alive to complain about it.

 

[Nefriahaia]

Respectfully snipped:

:waitasec:

In any event, when someone has the nerve to blatantly perjure themselves in a trial, under oath, I tend to never believe anything that person says, that is just me.

ITA! Words to live by!

 

[shufly]

Originally Posted by MarthaM
Why is that a slip?



I can understand the point Cindy was trying to make about that photo and others. It's something that's been done in just about every trial I've watched, and I've never cared for that technique. It's effective, but dishonest IMO--and I'm talking about both prosecutors and defense attorneys who use it. One photo from one night tells me nothing. Her expression and demeanor could have been completely different 10 minutes before that or ten minutes after. Somebody could snap a picture of any of us while we're going through a crisis, yet it could look to all the world like we were having a fine time. I just don't like it when they do that.

my question is why was she at a bar while her child was missing to begin with? i agree that one picture here and there may not tell the whole story but the fact that she was in a bar partying says more than any picture needs to.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Does anyone have any information regarding the RATINGS from yesterday's show, or is it too early to tell ?


TIA !

 

[strawberry]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44517...-phil-cindy-anthony-has-denial-highest-order/

Further complicating the theories: George and Cindy have differing versions of the story. While Cindy says that the neighbor watched Casey for the hour she used the shovel, George claims that the neighbor did not watch her — and that the shovel was returned later.

Did CA really say this on Dr Phil? BB never said he watced FCA. If he had, it wouldn't have been an issue. He went and took a shower and told his son he could answer the door if it was FCA bringing the shovel back.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

I think what's bothering me about these interviews, or at least yesterday's, haven't seen today's yet, is that he's focusing on why G&C did this and that before and after the murder. What i want them to be asked is why they did this and that during the INVESTIGATION. I want them to be called out on their accusations of innocent people, their hinderance of LE investigations, and their perjury.

 

[okiedokietoo]

Originally Posted by MarthaM
Why is that a slip?



I can understand the point Cindy was trying to make about that photo and others. It's something that's been done in just about every trial I've watched, and I've never cared for that technique. It's effective, but dishonest IMO--and I'm talking about both prosecutors and defense attorneys who use it. One photo from one night tells me nothing. Her expression and demeanor could have been completely different 10 minutes before that or ten minutes after. Somebody could snap a picture of any of us while we're going through a crisis, yet it could look to all the world like we were having a fine time. I just don't like it when they do that.

my question is why was she at a bar while her child was missing to begin with? i agree that one picture here and there may not tell the whole story but the fact that she was in a bar partying says more than any picture needs to.

re: bar photos - Prosecutor wanted to use more photos but court decided it was too prejudicial - the defense didn't want jury to get the impression she was a lesbian re: photo of her and the woman dancing

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1106/09/ng.01.html

This as lead defense attorney Jose Baez complains to the judge that party pics make tot mom look like a, quote, "lesbian" dancing with other women. After today in court, they`ve got a lot more to worry about than party pics.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-06-08/news/os-casey-anthony-trial-day-13-sidebar20110608_1_jose-baez-casey-anthony-photos

A transcript from the Casey Anthony trial shows defense attorney Jose Baez at a sidebar conference expressing concerns that photos prosecutors wanted to introduce as evidence would make his client appear to be "a lesbian" in jurors' eyes.