Ebola outbreak - general thread #2

[lawstudent]

To me the scary part is that this virus can be so hard to contain. It seemingly disappeared for years only to resurface almost 2 decades (in 1995) after the first outbreak in 1976. Then the next outbreaks were in 2007 and then 2012.

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Aren't most viruses like that, though? That's the nature of disease. The same diseases that have been around forever periodically pop up in new mutations and ravage populations. It's always a waiting game. Viruses are living things that operate under the survival of the fittest principle, and constantly are looking for new ways to pop up. Viruses jumping from animals to humans has been a pretty consistent thing, and isn't unique to ebola. And humans survive by becoming immune to a lot of them over time through survival of the fittest as well. But when you look at what happened to the Native American population with smallpox, you can see that in a global world, old demons can always pop up. I've always expected a big outbreak in my lifetime, but I don't think this is it. Unfortunately it just is something every generation deals with to some extent.

 

[DeDee]

http://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1

https://www.google.com/patents/US20...P_XGPOS7AaUvYDoDQ&sqi=2&pjf=1&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAQ

https://www.google.com/patents/EP23...OaXE8LW7Qa3gYHADg&sqi=2&pjf=1&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAw

https://www.google.com/?tbm=pts&gws_rd=ssl#tbm=pts&q=hemorrhagic+fever

At the 1st link, notice who developed the virus.
At the 2nd link, notice who owns the patent.
At the 3rd link, notice who owns the patent.
At the 4th link, notice the treatment for the hemorrhagic fever virus.

I found a reporter who explains the patents listed above.

http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unr...um=facebook-share&utm_content=awesm-publisher

Executive Order -Signed on July 21, 2014

Section 1. Amendment to Executive Order 13295. Based upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and Human Services, in consultation with the Acting Surgeon General, and for the purposes set forth in section 1 of Executive Order 13295 of April 4, 2003, as amended by Executive Order 13375 of April 1, 2005, section 1 of Executive Order 13295 shall be further amended by replacing subsection (b) with the following:

"(b) Severe acute respiratory syndromes, which are diseases that are associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, are capable of being transmitted from person to person, and that either are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic, or, upon infection, are highly likely to cause mortality or serious morbidity if not properly controlled. This subsection does not apply to influenza."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ised-list-quarantinable-communicable-diseases

There is a movie: "Ebola Syndrome 1996 UNCUT" w/subtitles on youtube. Due to the violence and language I shall leave it to your discretion to view it or not.

 

[Sonya610]

They dont get sick ,but they can carry it . According to this anyway.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/dogs-eating-ebola-victims-spreading-epidemic/

However, the good news is that once the virus is cleared from the dog it is no longer contagious.

He concluded, “In the developed world, most countries have more stringent rules concerning food production and sanitation, which means that, in the same way that humans are protected from this deadly disease, so are our dogs.

The article states they MAY be able to carry/transmit it during the early stages of the infection, but not after they have fought it off.

In Africa the dogs roam the streets and are forced scavenge and eat road kill, including infected human corpses, which is how they become infected. Obviously that is not the case for companion animals in the U.S., especially since many folks can simply keep their dogs at HOME if infection was a worry.

Of course if a bad outbreak occurred and corpses littered the streets then rescuing or handling stray dogs would be a risk; if that happens catching it from the odd stray dog will be the least of our concerns.

 

[newone]

Keeping fingers crossed there is no way that ebola could be carried by mosquitoes.....ever

dengue is a haemorraghic virus as well

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs117/en/

 

[Detective Klimpt]

Provides a lot of little personal details I don't think we've heard yet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/us/ebola-victim-went-from-liberian-war-to-a-fight-for-life.html?_r=0&module=ArrowsNav&contentCollection=U.S.&action=keypress&region=FixedLeft&pgtype=article

 

[Redux]

Deleted by me 'til I can make a coherent sentence! LOL.

Time fer some coffee.

 

[Elley Mae]

Deleted by me 'til I can make a coherent sentence! LOL.

Time fer some coffee.

And I'll need a pot of coffee here to understand that coherent sentence. :coffeeup: :coffeecup: :coffee:

 

[SStarr33]

Provides a lot of little personal details I don't think we've heard yet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/us/ebola-victim-went-from-liberian-war-to-a-fight-for-life.html?_r=0&module=ArrowsNav&contentCollection=U.S.&action=keypress®ion=FixedLeft&pgtype=article

Youngor Jallah sounds really smart, so I guess it was other family members who broke quarantine.

 

[Sonya610]

Thank goodness the Saudis restricted travel for the Haj taking place this week in Mecca (when 3-5 million Muslims from all over the world meet for the pilgrimage). It still seems risky to have that many people packed together in crowds, at least they are fully clothed.

Saudi Arabia Blocks Visas From West African Countries Amid Ebola Crisis

The Saudi Ministry of Health (MOH) announced Monday it would block any Hajj or Umrah visas for anyone traveling from Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

http://www.ibtimes.com/saudi-arabia-blocks-visas-west-african-countries-amid-ebola-crisis-1649292

 

[popsicle]

[h=2]Nurses don't think hospitals prepared for Ebola, survey finds[/h]
Eighty percent of nurses say their hospitals haven't communicated any policy for handling potential Ebola admissions, according to the nation's largest nurses' union, National Nurses United.

"Respondents to the survey from all across the U.S. are telling us, just like I'm seeing, the hospitals are not changing what they're doing and the preparedness is not getting through to the front line caregivers," said Stephen Frum, chief shop steward at Medstar Washington Hospital Center.

http://www.wtop.com/109/3716538/Nurses-dont-think-hospitals-prepared-for-Ebola-survey-finds

 

[SweetT]

Keeping fingers crossed there is no way that ebola could be carried by mosquitoes.....ever

dengue is a haemorraghic virus as well

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs117/en/

That is scary as I did read an article where like 5 people originally were diagnosed with Malaria as that test came out positive, but then later they all also tested positive for ebola. Now it sure made me wonder wtf is going on here?

 

[Sonya610]

Here is a list of AFRICAN countries that have banned or restricted travel from Ebola infected nations. Note that includes tourists that have visited those countries. If they can do it one would think that the U.S.....nevermind.

• Mauritius on 12 September announced that it would restrict entry of nationals from Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Liberia, Senegal and Congo unless prior approval was obtained from the Passport and Immigration Office.
  
  
• Cameroon on 17 September reopened its borders to travellers from Senegal. An 18 August ban remains in place on travel from Nigeria, Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
  
  
• Southern African Development Community (SADC) member states – Angola, Botswana, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Lesotho, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Seychelles, South Africa, Swaziland, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe – have stated that travellers coming from Ebola-affected countries (according to the World Health Organisation, WHO) would be monitored for 21 days and that travel to member countries for any gatherings would be discouraged.
  
  
• South Sudan has placed a ban on travellers coming from Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia or Congo (DRC), or those who have travelled to those countries in the preceding 21 days. According to the health ministry, entry of travellers from Nigeria depends on their travel history in that country and whether they have visited Ebola-affected areas.
  
  
• Namibia's foreign ministry on 11 September announced that foreigners travelling from countries affected by Ebola would be prohibited from entering the country.
  
  
• Gambia on 1 September suspended entry of persons who have visited Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone or Nigeria in the 21 days prior to travel. Those travelling indirectly from any of the aforementioned countries to Gambia via another country also come under this measure.
  
  
• Côte d'Ivoire announced on 23 August that it had closed its land borders with Guinea and Liberia.
  
  
• Gabon stated on 22 August that it is restricting the issuance of entry visas to travellers from Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria on a case-by-case basis.
  
  
• Cape Verde on 19 August banned nationals from Guinea, Sierra Leone, Nigeria and Liberia from entering the country for the next three months. The authorities have also banned entry to all non-residents who have visited Ebola-affected countries, including Congo (DRC), in the past 30 days; on 1 September, Senegal was added to this list.
  
  
• Rwanda, according to the US state department on 22 August, has banned entry to travellers who have visited Guinea, Liberia or Sierra Leone in the 22 days prior to travel.
  
  
• Senegal on 21 August closed its land border with Guinea, while the country's sea and air borders will also be closed to vessels and aircraft from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
  
  
• Chad on 21 August closed its land border with Nigeria at Lake Chad. The country previously reportedly banned the entry of any travellers originating or transiting through Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria or Sierra Leone, with airlines serving the country reportedly rerouting flights.
  
  
• South Africa on 21 August restricted entry for all non-citizens travelling from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. The government subsequently clarified that this was not a blanket ban and could be waived for 'absolutely essential travel'.
  
  
• Kenya on 19 August suspended entry of passengers travelling from and through Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, excluding health professionals supporting efforts to contain the outbreak and Kenyan citizens.

https://www.internationalsos.com/ebola/index.cfm?content_id=435&language_id=ENG

 

[Elley Mae]

Thanks Sonya, I looked around yesterday and lost track and stopped looking, but I knew without finding that other countries surly had stopped people from certain african countries from entering there county, which I give kudos too for doing such. jmo idk

 

[jjenny]

That is scary as I did read an article where like 5 people originally were diagnosed with Malaria as that test came out positive, but then later they all also tested positive for ebola. Now it sure made me wonder wtf is going on here?

It's possible they had both Ebola and Malaria?

 

[SCHMAE]

The article states they MAY be able to carry/transmit it during the early stages of the infection, but not after they have fought it off.

In Africa the dogs roam the streets and are forced scavenge and eat road kill, including infected human corpses, which is how they become infected. Obviously that is not the case for companion animals in the U.S., especially since many folks can simply keep their dogs at HOME if infection was a worry.

Of course if a bad outbreak occurred and corpses littered the streets then rescuing or handling stray dogs would be a risk; if that happens catching it from the odd stray dog will be the least of our concerns.

Yikes !

 

[SweetT]

It's possible they had both Ebola and Malaria?

I would say that is totally possible, the worrisome thing to me is...would someone here in the US retest for Ebola after a Malaria diagnosis was originally made? Of course my other concern was is it normal to test positive for malaria first if that test is ran? Just curious. Then the most unlikely but obviously the scariest thing would be...Is this something that could be carried by mosquitos as a host? As swamp mama stated an invasive species that finds a suitable host...or has it already? JMO dont need to get beat all up about it but these are just thoughts. I am no Ebola expert so anything is possible at this time.

 

[Sonya610]

It's possible they had both Ebola and Malaria?

Or did they use dip stick test that shows positive for prior exposure instead of testing for the presence of the actual Malaria virus? A whole lot of folks in some regions would test positive for exposure because they have had it at least once in their life.

A major drawback in the use of all current dipstick methods is that the result is essentially qualitative. In many endemic areas of tropical Africa, however, the quantitative assessment of parasitaemia is important, as a large percentage of the population will test positive in any qualitative assay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria_antigen_detection_tests

 

[webaddict]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/1...ebola-in-sierra-leone-reportedly-delayed-for/

Has this been linked to yet?

 

[SweetT]

IF Jallah took Ebola dads temp and blood pressure with no protective gear then why are they telling her she is no longer under quarantine? It has not been 21 days, and her children spent the night at ebola dads home with dirty sheets mattresses etc.. What are the CDC protocols for anyway?

 

[popsicle]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/1...ebola-in-sierra-leone-reportedly-delayed-for/

Has this been linked to yet?

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