Ebola outbreak - general thread #2

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Boy the Troh/Jallah family just doesn't get it:
“We want him to live,” said Mawhen Jallah, 28, the daughter of Duncan’s girlfriend, Louise Troh. “So we want the drug the other people used to get saved if they have it.”<snip>“This whole Ebola thing — this virus is tearing people apart,” Jallah said. “Since the whole thing occurred, nobody has come to visit.”<snip>Although CDC officials have cleared her, saying it is unlikely she contracted Ebola when she visited her mother’s apartment last week to welcome the man she calls her stepfather, she said she has been shunned.<snip>
Mawhen Jallah, who lives several miles from her sister, said that last week her daughter’s babysitter, a friend, called to demand that she remove the 2-year-old girl from her home day care.
“My friend said, ‘I don’t want for your daughter to be here until everything is over,’&#8201;” Mawhen said. “That broke my heart. But I cannot do anything, because I know everybody is afraid.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...c8b2ac-4cc7-11e4-8c24-487e92bc997b_story.html

JMOO, either she is very uneducated and needs to be shown how dangerous it is. So much to worry about and she wants visitors? Not concerned about other people? CRAZY! JMOO
 
Oh wow. Apologies if this has been seen. This man was not dead. They thought he was. The reporter says if you call for help, no one will come but if you call and say someone has died a burial team comes immediately. What strikes me is a man helping another put on his space suit , but the man helping him doesn't even have on gloves. The other thing that strikes me is the crowd of people just feet away. This man literally just fell in the street dead or near dead and could have been passing the virus who knows where prior to that. Interesting watch.

http://www.nymeta.co/heres-ebola-victim-waking-dead-body-bag/

ETA, the reporter himself is not protected in any way and standing very near. Who's to say there was not vomit on the sidewalk , etc.? Not very careful for a reporter in an ebola ' stricken' area.
 
I certainly don't want ebola but 21 days without visitors or bothers of the outside world sound kinda nice to me. But only if its relaxing and peaceful.
 
http://www.khou.com/story/news/2014...-keep-ebola-away-fight-it-in-africa/16776711/

''Frieden stressed the importance of keeping the travel pipeline open to Ebola-stricken countries in order to fight the outbreak at its source.

"If we don't control the outbreak, there's a real risk that it could spread to other countries in Africa'' and beyond, Frieden said. "To do that, we need regular travel.''''

I do not understand . There was an article earlier today ( i think i posted it ) saying basically the same thing. How does " regular travel" combat it at the source? They just say we need regular travel and that will help and a travel ban will not but do not say HOW a travel ban will HELP the fight at the source. Can anyone tell me what I'm missing here. How are the two statement connected? Fighting at the source and keeping open travel ?

ETA , Ok, I just re read this and maybe he's only talking about travel IN to the country and yes I can see they need personnel . But I , and many others, am concerned about travel OUT of the country.

Next thing you know they'll be saying we need to print money to stay out of debt and bail out banks etc..Oh Wait!
 
Boy the Troh/Jallah family just doesn't get it:
&#8220;We want him to live,&#8221; said Mawhen Jallah, 28, the daughter of Duncan&#8217;s girlfriend, Louise Troh. &#8220;So we want the drug the other people used to get saved if they have it.&#8221;<snip>&#8220;This whole Ebola thing &#8212; this virus is tearing people apart,&#8221; Jallah said. &#8220;Since the whole thing occurred, nobody has come to visit.&#8221;<snip>Although CDC officials have cleared her, saying it is unlikely she contracted Ebola when she visited her mother&#8217;s apartment last week to welcome the man she calls her stepfather, she said she has been shunned.<snip>
Mawhen Jallah, who lives several miles from her sister, said that last week her daughter&#8217;s babysitter, a friend, called to demand that she remove the 2-year-old girl from her home day care.
&#8220;My friend said, &#8216;I don&#8217;t want for your daughter to be here until everything is over,&#8217;&#8201;&#8221; Mawhen said. &#8220;That broke my heart. But I cannot do anything, because I know everybody is afraid.&#8221;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...c8b2ac-4cc7-11e4-8c24-487e92bc997b_story.html

I don't take her saying those things as "woe as me" or that she doesn't understand why it's happening. She's just stating facts. No one wants to come by. No one wants to come near her because they think she may be infected. That's all.
 
This comment is not directed towards anyone in particular. It's just been bothering me since the beginning of this thread #2.

I just don't understand the animosity towards Duncan's fiance's family in all this. I've seen posters complaining about the family not cleaning up the apartment themselves, about the way they handled it when Duncan became symptomatic, about going out when they weren't supposed to and about everything they've said in the press. But nothing that I've read so far has led me to believe that they were anything other than victims in this, and I don't know why they're being treated as anything but that.
 
You have to remember that journalists ask questions like "how do you feel about this? How has it affected you? Do you feel shunned? Have people acted afraid of you?" Then they take out the juicy quotes and reprint them without the context. It's a real easy way to make people look bad. The newspaper publishes one quote out of a long interview and people will say "that's the first thing they thought of?" They may have talked for a hour beforehand about 50 other topics, but only that one line got included. I try to remind myself never to talk to a newspaper.

And if that woman just saw the guy from a doorway as she says, there's almost no chance she is infected. I'm guessing officials have told the people what they think their level of risk is - some they actually know had close contact, and others they probably are telling they just want to be extra careful with. That's why the nursing assistant could go back, probably. There are some in isolation who probably have almost no chance of contracting it, but the officials are being super careful while reassuring them they are probably fine. And if the little girl was not visiting, the chance that she spread it to her is even smaller. I wouldn't send her to daycare because I know how hyped people are, but I wouldn't be at all worried that she might spread it. I can understand some of them being confident they are in the clear.

I think they are victims too and people are being ridiculous in terms of how they think they would act in such an unexpected and upsetting situation. Then you have very limited communication with them since they are in isolation, and competing reports. No one knows exactly what happened or what anyone knew at this point. I'm sure it all happened so fast that they are just in shock. It's not like any of them want to contract or pass on ebola.
 
This comment is not directed towards anyone in particular. It's just been bothering me since the beginning of this thread #2.

I just don't understand the animosity towards Duncan's fiance's family in all this. I've seen posters complaining about the family not cleaning up the apartment themselves, about the way they handled it when Duncan became symptomatic, about going out when they weren't supposed to and about everything they've said in the press. But nothing that I've read so far has led me to believe that they were anything other than victims in this, and I don't know why they're being treated as anything but that.

I don't have anything against Duncan's fiancee's family except to me you don't send your kids to school when they've been told to NOT come to school, or when you don't abide by a quarantine and put other people at risk. Those are my complaints.
 
I think many people think the family knew he was exposed, and encouraged or aided him to come here for US medical and Zmapp. (I also think many more people may try to come here after exposure, due to 'success rate' in treating Ebola here..JMO)
 
I don't have anything against Duncan's fiancee's family except to me you don't send your kids to school when they've been told to NOT come to school, or when you don't abide by a quarantine and put other people at risk. Those are my complaints.
I understand that. I have to question just what they were told to do or not do though. We see Judge Whatshisname going in and out with no protection, and saying that he sat with them when they were moved, and acting like it's all no big deal, and I have to wonder just what they were told.

Personally, even if they didn't tell me not to go out, I would google it to find out more and self-quarantine, but I'm not there and so I can't exactly say what transpired.
 
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...ge-For-Possible-Exposure-of-Daughter-to-Ebola

DALLAS, Texas -- Breitbart Texas has learned a complaint was filed with Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, also known as CPS. The complaint was filed on Sunday morning by a concerned Dallas citizen who read about Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins going into the apartment where Ebola patient, Thomas Eric

Duncan, lived while he was sick. He was in the apartment with four people who had been directly exposed by
Duncan to the Ebola virus. Jenkins said, in a subsequent press conference he was going home to his wife and nine-year-old daughter after a subsequent press conference where he discussed being in the apartment again and driving the exposed family to their new home -- a forty-five minute drive. At no point did Jenkins appear to wear any protective clothing.

&#8220;I am very concerned that Clay Jenkins may have exposed his daughter to the deadly Ebola virus,&#8221; the complainant said in an email where he provided screenshots of his complaint filing. &#8220;The media reported that, after he went into the apartment and drove them around, he went home in the same shirt and exposed his daughter to this deadly virus.&#8221;
 
I understand that. I have to question just what they were told to do or not do though. We see Judge Whatshisname going in and out with no protection, and saying that he sat with them when they were moved, and acting like it's all no big deal, and I have to wonder just what they were told.

Personally, even if they didn't tell me not to go out, I would google it to find out more and self-quarantine, but I'm not there and so I can't exactly say what transpired.

From what I understood they were told to self quarantine, then after it was found out they didn't comply there was a court order to do so and police assigned to watch the home.
 
I think many people think the family knew he was exposed, and encouraged or aided him to come here for US medical and Zmapp. (I also think many more people may try to come here after exposure, due to 'success rate' in treating Ebola here..JMO)
The one thing I don't get though is if he knew it was likely he had ebola and/or his family knew, why didn't he say he might have it the first time he was hospitalized? If he knew enough to come to the U.S. for treatment, he would have had to have known that it would be imperative to get treatment as soon as possible.
 
I think many people think the family knew he was exposed, and encouraged or aided him to come here for US medical and Zmapp. (I also think many more people may try to come here after exposure, due to 'success rate' in treating Ebola here..JMO)

There's absolutely nothing to suggest that though - I can't imagine they'd be willing to expose themselves for that long, especially since it wasn't even clear he had ebola yet. That's quite an accusation to make without any sort of evidence. I know you are not making it, but I agree that people probably suspect it. It's one thing to consider the possibility, but at this point there is just nothing to suggest it. We haven't seen people flooding over here - most of them are probably first dealing with the horror of caring for family members and then quickly succumbing themselves. Plotting out a way to get to the US for treatment and getting the resources to do so is probably not on most people's minds.

A lot of people probably view it as a death sentence anyway and don't know much about treatments. And it's more an issue of capacity than treatment - the US has great medical care, but the bigger problem is that there aren't any hospital beds available for Liberians. They'd be better off going almost anywhere else, just so they could get some sort of hospital treatment.
 
I understand that. I have to question just what they were told to do or not do though. We see Judge Whatshisname going in and out with no protection, and saying that he sat with them when they were moved, and acting like it's all no big deal, and I have to wonder just what they were told.

Personally, even if they didn't tell me not to go out, I would google it to find out more and self-quarantine, but I'm not there and so I can't exactly say what transpired.

This Judge was on Chris Wallace today-from transcript
Judge Jenkins, here's the question, why did you do that? Why did you come in close contact with the people who were in closest contact with Thomas Duncan without any protective gear? And, honestly, did you have no fears about catching Ebola?

JENKINS: Chris, I wanted that family to be treated the way I would want my family treated if I were in the hospital and they were worried about my safety and catching this virus. I wanted to treat them as human beings, not as a space man in some sort of a protective suit. I was assured by our top -- state's top health officials and the CDC that it was safe to do it the way I did it, and I know the family appreciated us doing it in that way.


http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-n...cret-service-attempting-overcome-its-scandals
 
This Judge was on Chris Wallace today-from transcript
Judge Jenkins, here's the question, why did you do that? Why did you come in close contact with the people who were in closest contact with Thomas Duncan without any protective gear? And, honestly, did you have no fears about catching Ebola?

JENKINS: Chris, I wanted that family to be treated the way I would want my family treated if I were in the hospital and they were worried about my safety and catching this virus. I wanted to treat them as human beings, not as a space man in some sort of a protective suit. I was assured by our top -- state's top health officials and the CDC that it was safe to do it the way I did it, and I know the family appreciated us doing it in that way.


http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-n...cret-service-attempting-overcome-its-scandals

Well, I hope he and his family don't end up paying for it.
 
from Chris Wallace transcript Sunday, Oct 5th-interview with Dr Fauci

WALLACE: Do we know what shape he's in? I MEAN,

FAUCI: I don't know personally, but the hospital is saying that he's in critical condition. He went from critical to serious. And now, they're saying he's back in critical. This is what we're hearing from the hospital.

imo this Judge and this Dr Fauci are idiotts..
 
'm gonna go off in the weeds over here on Ebola and ramble a bit but these are my thoughts.

I have spent quite a bit of time reading the history of Ebola and had done so before this current situation. I enjoy reading nonfiction (yeah, I am odd that way). It is simply a fascinating topic I have been reading on and researching for hours over the past year or so. Yes, I know you may not find it equally fascinating.

To me the scary part is that this virus can be so hard to contain. It seemingly disappeared for years only to resurface almost 2 decades (in 1995) after the first outbreak in 1976. Then the next outbreaks were in 2007 and then 2012.

So how does a virus do that? Researchers finally determined that during those times when it was not killing humans, it was residing, surviving and being passed along in primates and fruit-bats (megamega bats or bats that can have a 3 ft wingspan). Then a human would come in contact with an infected animal by being bitten, by contact with the virus when killing and preparing a bat or primate to eat (cooking kills the virus so eating a properly cooked infected animal will not infect the person eating it but handling the infected raw meat without protection could.) or some other contaminating contact with an infected animal and a human. Primates and fruit bats are apparently popular to eat among some people in those regions.

To me, it is horrifying that it can survive so long in the animal population just biding its time until it gets to the next human. Now luckily there is no roaming source of primates in the wild in America and we do not have the same abundance and variety of fruit bats here in America (as far as i can tell from reading. There is a bit of confusion/conflicting info about or American leaf nosed bats which seem to be fruit bats/megabats). Typical Americans certainly aren't killing and cutting up primates and bats for food here. Ok, so that sounds somewhat hopeful for us. We don't appear to have the same supporting ecosystem here in the US to sustain the virus for years or decades between outbreaks. BUT....

We all know of "invasive species" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasive_species_in_North_America)which are animal, plant or insects which have come from one country/continent to another and caused havoc there, upsetting the ecosystem, wiping out competing species, adapting and thriving in their new home. Such invasive species may have been brought by accident or on purpose. (Giant snakes in the everglades and Asian Carp are two examples of invasive species).

So Ebola could very well find a new "host" here among our animals and wildlife. We just don't know yet. We have leaf nosed bats which seem to be classified as fruit bats. We may have a species here that is not found in Africa that could be a perfect host for Ebola. We just don't know. We have not been very good at predicting how invasive species will behave. Many were first introduced to solve a problem but caused multiple other problems that did not exist before they arrived and thrived and threat to destroy ecosystems and populations of species).

Once here they usually cannot be gotten rid of. They take hold and take over. That is what worries me. It is the non human "hosts" here that can sustain and transfer these viruses and we would not know for tears or decades until it came into contact with a human and infected them.

Apparently there is a blackmarket for "bush meat" which includes primates and other animals from the wilds of Africa. http://rollingout.com/news/africans-eating-monkey-meat-may-expose-america-ebola-virus/#_ . As gross as it may seem to us to eat primates, many Africans in the US may want bushmeat as a desirable favorite food from their homeland. So it may not be an infected human that brings Ebola to our country but rather a black market which usually has very poor hygiene standards to begin with.

It's not just America. Just so many possibilities for this virus to go global.

ETA: Thanks Soulmagnet for the link about dogs being able to carry it without being sick and potentially infect humans. The fact that canines can carry it without getting sick and potentially infect humans is scary to think about.
 
The one thing I don't get though is if he knew it was likely he had ebola and/or his family knew, why didn't he say he might have it the first time he was hospitalized? If he knew enough to come to the U.S. for treatment, he would have had to have known that it would be imperative to get treatment as soon as possible.
He didn't know he had Ebola while in Africa, right? He had been around someone whom he was erroneously told had Malaria, which has similar symptoms.

Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...c8b2ac-4cc7-11e4-8c24-487e92bc997b_story.html
Duncan’s arrival in the United States in September was months after he had originally planned.
He had hoped to get his visa approved so he could attend his son’s high school graduation in June.
By the time his visa was approved in September, the Ebola outbreak in Liberia had exploded. Liberia accounts for more than half of the more than 3,400 Ebola deaths in West Africa, according to the World Health Organization.
Neighbors in Liberia said Duncan contracted Ebola while helping to carry a sick, pregnant woman to a hospital. Hours later the woman died.

He didn't have any symptoms on the way to the U.S. He did try to go to the hospital, and he told the nurse about being in Africa. I know the New York Times is making a big deal about Texas prosecuting the guy for apparently "lying" to the hospital, but the hospital is culpable too. They sent him home, knowing he had just arrived from Africa!

From Forbes yesterday:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunr...-blame-for-sending-dallas-ebola-patient-home/

The hospital now acknowledges that both doctors and nurses were aware of the patients recent travel from Liberia. More importantly, the hospital has failed to fully explain the error.

ETA: There's no way to keep the U.S. safe from Ebola in a world economy where everyone flies everywhere every day. All of us know someone who has been to Africa in the past few years, usually for mission work. I know a music teacher at my son's school who made multiple trips to Africa and now has incurable malaria. I know others who have traveled to South America for the same reason and still suffer stomach trouble. While most tropical illnesses aren't deadly, people bring them back all the time, and always have.
 
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