Ebola outbreak - general thread #3

[FlamingoLady]

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It would be difficult enough to treat an outbreak of something that we actually had a cure for. The fact that all we have is an experimental drug, and not much of it, makes this dire. Think of how people freak out when there's a shortage of flu shots. Look how Duncan's family here is taking the attitude of entitlement to something that may or may not even exist! How do any of us know how much of the drug is available? If it comes down to rationing the drug, it will bring out a whole other side of craziness in people, IMO.

 

[jjenny]

I heard it last night and I'll admit to still being peeved about it today.I'm just not sure what more we can do for Duncan and his friends/family.
I agree that the medicine that was given was given to those that risked their lives for humanitarian purposes and I'm sure if we had it on hand that it would also be made available to Duncan.
Her tone and her belief that more could and should be done really put my back up and I'm fairly liberal in my thinking and values.
So little regard for others...IMO

ZMapp really is gone. There was none left for Dr. Sacra (so he didn't get any ZMapp). There is none left until they make more (which takes months).
They are now giving Mr. Duncan another experimental drug.

 

[LinasK]

I've been determined to avoid the whole "guilt" discussion, since I'll probably irk everyone. But since it's apparently important, I'll throw in my meager :twocents: FWIW

First, I don't know what was going through Mr Duncan's head. It's hard to deduce from his actions, since they aren't consistent, and we don't know him.
There are good arguments for suspicion, for condemnation, and, as always, for giving the benefit of doubt.

But does any of that matter 1/10th as much as doing whatever we can to reduce the odds of creating future victims?

What he did, knowingly or unknowingly, is water under the bridge.

If the conflict here is over whether people should only express compassion and avoid criticizing (or charging) him or others (including citizens and healthcare workers), then, IMO, the most compassionate answer would be that we should say and do whatever we can to discourage future carelessness, for the sake of its victims.

I pity anyone in his condition. I pity all who live there.

But it seems misguided to let pity for one person so supercede our compassion for their victims that we object to sending a strong message to everyone, everywhere, that it's unacceptable to be a less than responsible, considerate human.... That, if you don't take care, and negligently expose other people to ebola, you shouldn't expect sympathy or even the benefit of the doubt.

Harsh? Yes. But worth it for the sake of victims of anyone who would be tempted to rely on our compassion to cut slack or forgive their lack of diligence.

This is an excellent post Muffet! I like how you think!!:clap::clap::clap::goodpost:

 

[WichitaFalls]

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metr...e-questions-about-readiness-for-pandemics.ece

Well written and food for thought for all of us.

 

[LinasK]

It doesn't matter IMO when and why he came here.............HE LIED on the form, HE LIED at the hospital and would never of gone to hospital if it wasn't for the lady who called for ambulance. IMOO

The last part is also true. The girlfriend's daughter Younger stated in an article that he didn't want to go back and she overrode him and called 911. It would've been an even worse catastrophe if he died at the apartment and noone knew it was Ebola.

 

[Oceans]

BBM. Okay, even if she is an American citizen it doesn't automatically confer citizenship upon him- got my answer on another thread:

Being married to a US citizen does not automatically grant the spouse US Citizenship.
The spouses must file an immigration petition with US immigration to start the process. It is not an automatic process there are steps to follow.

If he comes to the USA on a tourist visa and just marries his American girlfriend here: it's illegal. He needs a "Fiance Visa" to be able to get married here and stay here. Then he has to apply for a "Green Card"/Permanent Residence Card which might be valid for a four years. In some cases ten years. It has to be renewed a few months (up to six months) prior to expiration.

In order to get an American Citizenship, that's a whole lot of another matter! First he has to live here and stay married for at least five years. It involves again a LOT of paperwork, proof that he did not get into trouble with the law, proof that they make a living and do not depend on welfare etc. etc. It involves substantial fees, fingerprinting, being thoroughly checked out by the FBI and when all is well and approved by the INS, a person might be invited for personal interviews conducted by the INS, being testing in the English language, American History and Civics.

 

[LinasK]

If he comes to the USA on a tourist visa and just marries his American girlfriend here: it's illegal. He needs a "Fiance Visa" to be able to get married here and stay here. Then he has to apply for a "Green Card"/Permanent Residence Card which might be valid for a four years. In some cases ten years. It has to be renewed a few months (up to six months) prior to expiration.

In order to get an American Citizenship, that's a whole lot of another matter! First he has to live here and stay married for at least five years. It involves again a LOT of paperwork, proof that he did not get into trouble with the law, proof that they make a living and do not depend on welfare etc. etc. It involves substantial fees, fingerprinting, being thoroughly checked out by the FBI and when all is well and approved by the INS, a person might be invited for personal interviews conducted by the INS, being testing in the English language, American History and Civics.

So I guess the movie, "The Proposal" isn't real? JK

 

[SStarr33]

EBOLA
CYPRESS HOSPITAL MONITORING PATIENT FOR EBOLA, CALLS IT 'EXTREMELY LOW RISK'

http://abc13.com/339306/

 

[SweetT]

If he comes to the USA on a tourist visa and just marries his American girlfriend here: it's illegal. He needs a "Fiance Visa" to be able to get married here and stay here. Then he has to apply for a "Green Card"/Permanent Residence Card which might be valid for a four years. In some cases ten years. It has to be renewed a few months (up to six months) prior to expiration.

In order to get an American Citizenship, that's a whole lot of another matter! First he has to live here and stay married for at least five years. It involves again a LOT of paperwork, proof that he did not get into trouble with the law, proof that they make a living and do not depend on welfare etc. etc. It involves substantial fees, fingerprinting, being thoroughly checked out by the FBI and when all is well and approved by the INS, a person might be invited for personal interviews conducted by the INS, being testing in the English language, American History and Civics.

Plus this all costs a lot of money..and if you screw up on paperwork that you file, not only do you have to redo it, you have to pay again. Then we wonder why there are so many illegals.

 

[Oceans]

So I guess the movie, "The Proposal" isn't real? JK

Haha! The movie romanticizes the process! Reality is harsh!

 

[LaborDayRN]

It seems the docs at the clinic would ask her to stick out her tongue and when there was no bite mark they would know it was ebola.

she was turned away from the clinic for lack of room. She was never seen by any doctors.

 

[Oceans]

On this link (sorry, I forgot who posted it), is a chart from September 30 where it shows that Liberia was hit the hardest by Ebola:

http://www.georgianewsday.com/news/...thomas-duncan-flew-to-us-on-tourist-visa.html

 

[SStarr33]

Do we know which city Mukpo was in when he was exposed? Can't find it.

 

[bettybaby00]

Epidemiologist: Stop the flights now

Infected men and women may not be contagious on the plane, but they could wreak havoc when they arrive.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/10/06/epidemiologist-stop-the-flights-now/

I'm not sure if the "head of CDC schools EH," was the same interview I saw, but when he said, "they take their temperature at the airport prior to departure," she replied, "but it took him 2 days to get here! What's being done about that?"

If I recall the sound of crickets could be heard before he changed the subject."

 

[LaborDayRN]

There is a new app on the Android play store called contagion alert I think.. The guy who made it wants people to download it so people who are afraid to speak about possible ebola cases can do it there.. He is wanting people in health care to use it as well as the general public..and encourages folks to put the information on Facebook etc.. The more people who use it the better.. Then we'll be able to see if we're being lied to or not.
If this wasn't OK to post then mods can delete.
Contagion tracker is the name

Wow. Healthcare workers cannot post personal health information of patients due to HIPAA.

 

[LaborDayRN]

I could go along with that, except he lied to the hospital people so his dx was based on garbage in garbage out.

I believe that he told the hospital staff that he recently traveled from an Ebola stricken area. Medical staff dropped the ball on his first hosptal visit. I'll try to find the link.

 

[Oceans]

Do we know which city Mukpo was in when he was exposed? Can't find it.

Looking at his FB, it seems he was in Monrovia, Liberia:

https://www.facebook.com/ashoka.mukpo

The reports and photos on his FB regarding Ebola are shocking and heartbreaking! Mukpo went as well inside hospitals where Ebola was treated.

 

[SweetT]

Wow. Healthcare workers cannot post personal health information of patients due to HIPAA.

Not personal information..I dont know exactly how it is suppose to work..but its there. I wonder if someone cant give a heads up about stuff without giving too much info? IDK
Of course there is also the ole...my wifes uncles cousin thing...I didnt make the app, just giving the info.

 

[LinasK]

I believe that he told the hospital staff that he recently traveled from an Ebola stricken area. Medical staff dropped the ball on his first hosptal visit. I'll try to find the link.

Ummm, this is a very important technicality- he said Liberia, only when asked for his Social Security card, he NEVER used the word Ebola, in fact he denied that. Yes, the hospital did also drop the ball, but had he said "Ebola" or even "Malaria", they would've been running down the halls to get him into isolation. Don't know if there's a Code for that- wouldn't be Code Red or Code Blue, but it would be something!

 

[Footwarrior]

I believe that he told the hospital staff that he recently traveled from an Ebola stricken area. Medical staff dropped the ball on his first hosptal visit. I'll try to find the link.

More precisely, the doctor dropped the ball. The staff recorded where he had come from, the doctor did not take it into account in the diagnosis.