Ebola outbreak - general thread #8

[SStarr33]

BBM

She wasn't asked.

Who cares if she was asked? Good grief.

 

[annahanna]

It would be total BS to even begin to assert that such activity could possibly put anyone at risk. Smart on her part, to force the Gestapo's hand over clearly benign choices that cannot be questioned for safety reasons in any way, and see what happens. Create a precedent.

I did not say that she was putting anyone at risk. I don't believe that she did - today. I do not believe that she is currently symptomatic or (therefore) contagious. I do think that she is going out of her way to behave in (what I find to be) a socially unacceptable manner. I do believe that she is taunting state officials and daring them to make a move toward actively detaining her. For reasons that I do not care to understand, I believe that she is spoiling for a fight. I prefer the more zen like attitude of Dr. Colin Bucks in California. “I’m California’s most experienced Ebola physician. I won’t take a single chance,” said Dr. Bucks in a New York Times interview. “My wife is away, my dog is away — there’s no downside to a little personal convenience, 3 weeks will pass.” http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...an-mateo-county-after-returning-from-liberia/

Just my opinion

 

[faw720]

What other cases?

Well, very recently here in the DFW area we had police gun down a 72 year old man in his own garage. Police were answering a burglary call & went to the wrong address. The elderly man had heard all the commotion & was standing in his own garage with his own gun. The police shot & killed him & the grand jury failed to indict them. The police felt "threatened" & therefore they were justified so the story goes.

 

[faw720]

To those of you living in the DFW area. At 5pm channel 5 will have an interview with Louise Troh, Eric Duncan's fiancé. Those of you not in the area may be able to read about it later at http://www.nbcdfw.com

 

[SStarr33]

LOL

Dr. Nancy Snyderman Encouraged to Take a Break From NBC News

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/b...encouraged-to-take-a-break-from-nbc-news.html

 

[Inthedetails]

Who cares if she was asked? Good grief.

The whole controversy about Hickox is that she was forced into quarantine. She wasn't asked. That's her complaint. If you're following her case, the word "asked" makes a difference.

 

[BingoBongo]

I did not say that she was putting anyone at risk. I don't believe that she did - today. I do not believe that she is currently symptomatic or (therefore) contagious. I do think that she is going out of her way to behave in (what I find to be) a socially unacceptable manner. I do believe that she is taunting state officials and daring them to make a move toward actively detaining her. For reasons that I do not care to understand, I believe that she is spoiling for a fight. I prefer the more zen like attitude of Dr. Colin Bucks in California. “I’m California’s most experienced Ebola physician. I won’t take a single chance,” said Dr. Bucks in a New York Times interview. “My wife is away, my dog is away — there’s no downside to a little personal convenience, 3 weeks will pass.” http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...an-mateo-county-after-returning-from-liberia/

Just my opinion

Agree 100%

This statement she made..."“spent a month watching children die, alone. ... I tried to help when much of the world has looked on and done nothing” tells me a lot. There is both a self-perceived heroism (and she was doing heroic work, no doubt) and a blame, involved in that comment. Combine the two and you often have a loss of reason.

 

[annahanna]

Ok, so what happens now?? If they arrest her they're going to have to touch her, haul her off to jail in their squad car, & house her in their jail. What are they going to do with all the people that come in contact with her during that process? If they shoot her they're gonna be in big time trouble. So now what???????

I'm not necessarily saying that I agree with what she's done, but she has most certainly put officials in a difficult position.

Although she likes to use the word prison, I doubt they will imprison her. They are much more likely to either place her in an isolation unit in a hospital under police guard, or forcibly quarantine her in her own home - also under police guard. Unless she is planning to run away or forcibly resist arrest, I don't think there is significant risk to the people she comes in contact with. The exception, of course, would be if she is misrepresenting her symptom and temperature data. I am sure the enforcement personnel will be wearing PPE.

 

[BingoBongo]

"Well, very recently here in the DFW area we had police gun down a 72 year old man in his own garage. Police were answering a burglary call & went to the wrong address. The elderly man had heard all the commotion & was standing in his own garage with his own gun. The police shot & killed him & the grand jury failed to indict them. The police felt "threatened" & therefore they were justified so the story goes."

That situation is apples to bananas.

Where/when has anyone been shot by the gov't. due to the potential for infectious disease transmittal (let's say in the last 200 years)?

 

[SteveS]

Although she likes to use the word prison, I doubt they will imprison her. They are much more likely to either place her in an isolation unit in a hospital under police guard, or forcibly quarantine her in her own home - also under police guard. Unless she is planning to run away or forcibly resist arrest, I don't think there is significant risk to the people she comes in contact with. The exception, of course, would be if she is misrepresenting her symptom and temperature data. I am sure the enforcement personnel will be wearing PPE.

If that is truly their "plan," there is so much inconsistency and fail in that plan that it boggles the mind. But it's certainly consistent with the sort of irrationality that has been on display already from that state's decision-makers, so you may have nailed it in describing how they might respond.

 

[faw720]

To those of you living in the DFW area. At 5pm channel 5 will have an interview with Louise Troh, Eric Duncan's fiancé. Those of you not in the area may be able to read about it later at http://www.nbcdfw.com

Quoting myself here but wanted to inform all that it was not an interview with Louise but rather with a reporter who had talked to her. The station was rather loose with their earlier description of the upcoming interview. Sorry, it was not my intent to misinform!

 

[SteveS]

Where/when has anyone been shot by the gov't. due to the potential for infectious disease transmittal (let's say in the last 200 years)?

Where has anyone in the last 200 years been locked up to prevent from spreading a disease, when they have neither the disease nor have ever been anywhere close to having been exposed?

Maine. 2014.

So who knows what they'll do next?

 

[Lyra500]

Some information from the NHS Choices website.

This is why the hysteria about a woman with no symptoms going for a bike ride is utterly ridiculous. Even if she developed a fever whilst she was out, she would not be contagious - read below.

Thomas Duncan living in an apartment until he was vomiting and yet not passing on Ebola to anyone in the apartment or to the paramedics who picked him up is an illustration that passing on the disease is not that common in early stages.

Can you catch Ebola by touching the skin of someone with symptoms of Ebola?

Can you catch Ebola by touching the skin of someone with symptoms of Ebola?

If the person has a fever but no other symptoms, then the level of virus in their body is very low and unlikely to be passed on to someone else.

In later stages, all body fluids such as blood, urine, faeces, vomit, saliva and semen are infectious, with blood, faeces and vomit being the most infectious.

Ebola virus disease is not spread through ordinary social contact, such as shaking hands, travelling on public transport or sitting beside someone who is infected and does not have any symptoms - see below.

How is Ebola not spread?
You'd need to have close contact with the source of infection to be at risk.

The virus is not, for example, as infectious as diseases such as the flu, as airborne transmission is much less likely.

Ebola virus disease is generally not spread through routine social contact (such as shaking hands) with patients who do not have symptoms.

It's unlikely you would catch Ebola just by travelling on a plane with someone who is infected. You would need to have had direct contact with the blood or body fluids from that person.

It’s also unlikely you would catch Ebola virus from the sweat left on gym equipment. A person who has symptoms of Ebola virus disease would not be well enough to go to the gym – and until they develop symptoms, they are not infectious. The World Health Organization (WHO) says whole live virus has never been isolated from sweat.

 

[CARIIS]

and see this stuff from the media statements like this: "That's the deadly virus"' Ebola crisis Rare and Deadly Diseases

This deadly virus has killed 4 people, on the planet, outside of Africa. That is the mortality numbers outside of Africa--

Other headline themes: Ebola virus came to the United States and spread

Spread? We have had what 8 cases since it started over there 9 months

Ebola epidemic rages may alter history as much as any plague has ever done the scale of the outbreak


The scales of the outbreak is this : only half of the numbers being tossed around from over there are lab confirmed. The rest are assummed to be Ebola

So this raging epedemic 7.1 billion on the planet - we have , globally about 5000 lab test confirmed Ebola cases. I wish my lottery odds were that reassuring!

Ebola update: Maine can't reach deal with nurse Kaci Hickox

By Ashley Fantz and Jason Hanna, CNN

updated 5:20 PM EDT, Thu October 30, 2014

(CNN) -- Negotiations over where a Maine nurse can be allowed to go have failed, Gov. Paul LePage said Thursday, and he's going to "exercise the full extent of his authority" to keep Kaci Hickox away from public places.

The state is now saying it doesn't want to confine Hickox, who recently returned to the United States after treating Ebola patients in Sierra Leone with the organization Doctors Without Borders.

They want the nurse -- who has twice tested negative for Ebola and says she feels healthy -- to avoid public places such as stores for 21 days. That's the deadly virus' incubation period. Much of that period in her case is already up; it is set to end the second week in November...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/30/health/us-ebola/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

[SStarr33]

If that is truly their "plan," there is so much inconsistency and fail in that plan that it boggles the mind. But it's certainly consistent with the sort of irrationality that has been on display already from that state's decision-makers, so you may have nailed it in describing how they might respond.

Let's say we had someone with active ebola who was refusing quarantine. How do you suggest we round them up? Tranquilizer dart?

 

[SStarr33]

Some information from the NHS Choices website.

This is why the hysteria about a woman with no symptoms going for a bike ride is utterly ridiculous. Even if she developed a fever whilst she was out, she would not be contagious - read below.

Thomas Duncan living in an apartment until he was vomiting and yet not passing on Ebola to anyone in the apartment or to the paramedics who picked him up is an illustration that passing on the disease is not that common in early stages.

Can you catch Ebola by touching the skin of someone with symptoms of Ebola?

Did Duncan get in a bloody accident?

 

[faw720]

"Well, very recently here in the DFW area we had police gun down a 72 year old man in his own garage. Police were answering a burglary call & went to the wrong address. The elderly man had heard all the commotion & was standing in his own garage with his own gun. The police shot & killed him & the grand jury failed to indict them. The police felt "threatened" & therefore they were justified so the story goes."

That situation is apples to bananas.

Where/when has anyone been shot by the gov't. due to the potential for infectious disease transmittal (let's say in the last 200 years)?

Respectfully, JMO, it is not a situation of apples to bananas. It is a situation of law enforcement feeling threatened & responding with their guns.

 

[jjenny]

To the people who saying Mr. Duncan didn't infect anyone before the two nurses. Maybe we got lucky with Mr. Duncan.
On the other hand Patrick Sawyer in Nigeria infected medical workers before they started using PPE and several diplomats who took him to the hospital.

 

[Inthedetails]

Let's say we had someone with active ebola who was refusing quarantine. How do you suggest we round them up? Tranquilizer dart?

When someone has active ebola, from what I understand, they are dreadfully sick. I don't think it would be difficult to "round them up." You would't have to chase them on a bicycle ride, for example.

 

[jjenny]

When someone has active ebola, from what I understand, they are dreadfully sick. I don't think it would be difficult to "round them up." You would't have to chase them on a bicycle ride, for example.

They are dreadfully sick. But some of them still will travel, like Patrick Sawyer did when he flew to Nigeria.