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"You are either moving toward Him (God), or away from Him, - but always - "HE" is at the center. ~St. Augustine~
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LovelyPigeon said:Four doctors who independently evaluated Mrs. Laney determined she had four psychotic episodes prior to the killings and agreed her mental disorder probably began about three years before. She suffers from "psychotic delusional disorder," both defense and prosecuting attorneys have said.
http://www.zwire.com/site/News.cfm?BRD=1994&dept_id=226369&newsid=11194338&PAG=461&rfi=9
Does it teach that the Christian members of a family will bask in heaven while their loved ones burn in hell?cookie said:My experience has been that those people ridicule organized religion and the people who try to follow it because they are pretty much ignorant of the true teachings of the Bible.
I completely agree, Cookie, and this is a good example of the distinction between religion and spirituality that many of us make. I am spiritual but not religious. I equate spirituality with God, but I equate religion with man. IMO, ALL religious arbitrariness belongs in the same category as the above example: it is all of MAN and has nothing to do with God. All religious dogma is their own excuse for justification, not His.cookie said:Is it God's fault that people kill in his name? No, it is the people who do the killing. "In the name of God" is their own excuse for justification, not His.
I agree. Likewise, don't ascribe to God that which comes from the mind of man. One of the issues I have with organized religion is the arrogance that dares to speak for God. IMO.Don't blame God for man's shortcomings and their evil actions.
I would say, there is damage done by man, period... whether that "man" is a shrink or a religious leader. Religious leaders are not synonymous with God. Man is man.As for my own opinion, there is sometimes far more damage done by psychiatrists and psychologists than men preaching God's word.
Well geeez Britt, that REALLY sticks you out there on your own. Everything to do with "God" came from the mind of man.Britt said:I agree. Likewise, don't ascribe to God that which comes from the mind of man.
Ivy said:Excellent post, WolfmarsGirl. I totally agree and couldn't have said it better.
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LovelyPigeon said:Four doctors who independently evaluated Mrs. Laney determined she had four psychotic episodes prior to the killings and agreed her mental disorder probably began about three years before. She suffers from "psychotic delusional disorder," both defense and prosecuting attorneys have said.
http://www.zwire.com/site/News.cfm?BRD=1994&dept_id=226369&newsid=11194338&PAG=461&rfi=9
I said I'm spiritual... not an atheist. I don't buy any of man's interpretations of "God," including the one that says he/she/it doesn't exist.Shylock said:Well geeez Britt, that REALLY sticks you out there on your own. Everything to do with "God" came from the mind of man.
It was man who asked, "Why am I here?"
It was man who asked, "What happens when I die?"
It was man who invented God as an answer to those questions.
cookie said:But,why would the belief in an afterlife cause something like this to happen?
jubie said:Sorry to ask this here but...
Where is the best place to see pictures of JBR, when she was still alive and in all those fancy outfits and make-up? My little girl is 7 and I can't imagine getting her all dolled up like that!! IMO!
Thanks!
Jubie
Making that choice is like Russian Roulette. No wonder parents who "know" they're right might kill kids rather than risk them making the wrong choice. What if they choose to be Sikh or Hindu; what if they choose Islam or Buddhism or Jainism? They can't possibly know which is the correct choice---yet the result for guessing wrong is eternal torture?cookie said:It is stated that once an individual reaches the age of accountability, then it is up to you to make the choice for what you believe and how you will live.
Hi Jubie. Here's a good place for those photos (thanks to our own Maketoast ). Click on "pictures" and then on "JonBenet Ramsey photos":jubie said:Where is the best place to see pictures of JBR, when she was still alive and in all those fancy outfits and make-up? My little girl is 7 and I can't imagine getting her all dolled up like that!!
WolfmarsGirl said:Ok, LP. Here, let's count:
1) Patsy glimpsed the Twinn doll and had a vision of JBR dead in her coffin.
2) Patsy saw Beth...Way after Beth was dead.
3) Patsy believed she brought death into her home by decorating with purple.
4) Patsy was/is a bible-thumper - a psychotic behavior in my opinion.
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Patsy believed she brought death into her home by decorating with purple...that must explain the purple dress JonBenet wore Christmas eve.
Toltec said:1. She dismissed it as "silly feelings." It was only in looking back she put any importance on it. When I was little I once had a terrible nightmare about my big brother having his head cut off. I never had nightmares but can vividly remember waking up screaming from that one. 40 years later when he was killed from a broken neck the thought crossed my mind that the dream might have been a premonition. I don't think that makes me psychotic.WolfmarsGirl said:Ok, LP. Here, let's count:
1) Patsy glimpsed the Twinn doll and had a vision of JBR dead in her coffin.
2) Patsy saw Beth...Way after Beth was dead.
3) Patsy believed she brought death into her home by decorating with purple.
4) Patsy was/is a bible-thumper - a psychotic behavior in my opinion.
Patsy believed she brought death into her home by decorating with purple...that must explain the purple dress JonBenet wore Christmas eve.
2. Though I know I read it somewhere I can't find the Beth/Bethany story. I thought it was in DOI.
3. Again, it wasn't until after JonBenet died Patsy questioned the use of the color purple and ultimately sees it as a positive. "In the extreme pain of our loss, God the Father was standing near with his hand upon the Ramsey family, as interwoven in our lives as the ribbon on the tree."
As far as bible-thumpers go I think Patsy is pretty tame. Although she credits God with healing her (I know some surgeons who give credit to God too) she also mentions the chemo helping AND continues to follow medical advice and have more treatments even after the tumor is pronounced gone. A true holy-roller would have stopped immediately or perhaps wouldn't have relied on anything but prayer in the first place.
I think it's not uncommon to look back and wonder if this or that was a sign that had it been recognized might have helped prevent a tragedy. I don't think it is a useful exercise but I do think it's understandable.
A true holy-roller wouldn't have pimped-up her daughter and paraded her across a stage.tipper said:A true holy-roller would have stopped immediately or perhaps wouldn't have relied on anything but prayer in the first place.
Yes, and this is troubling. Patsy is tame compared to some And Patsy is barking mad.tipper said:As far as bible-thumpers go I think Patsy is pretty tame.