EJ's phone call to TPS 1/22

[BeanE]

real quick before i go to bed!!

this is the call that was "third party" right? and it was 28 minutes long?? and to a cell phone??

My thoughts, the police set it up. why you ask? you cant call a cell from jail, unless you do it third party... that can be "faked" here is the kicker, how long are jailhouse calls? here they are 15 minutes, and the phone cuts off after that. Just pointing that out. in case I have the right call and AZ phone time limit is the same... she did not make that call from the jail phone, so maybe the police were trying to get TS, maybe they do believe EJ, but have no evidence.

Yes this is the phone call that was a third party call.

 

[kappy50]

T. SMITH: I didn`t set up the call. I have a cell phone, and she shouldn`t even be allowed to call a cell phone. They`re not supposed to be able to do a.

GRACE: Don`t care. Don`t care. Don`t care how you got on the phone. Fast forward. OK?

T. SMITH: OK.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/01/ng.01.html

I just canNOT believe Tammi was about to talk about the phone call again (and possibly how it took place) and NG cut her off! Maybe NG doesn't care, but we DO!

Just re reading this NG transcript....Jacks says the phone call took place Jan. 28th...of course they write everything down....Jan. 22 and 28th...a week's difference there ole JS...

 

[CathyinTexas]

Now? No, that was recorded back in January. More importantly, Elizabeth's journal was written back in December - when she was in San Antonio. What's in the journal matches what's in this recorded phone call which matches what Elizabeth told to her friend SS, which matches what EJ recently told to LE.

There are significant changes in Tammi's story, however. She first state (on national TV no less) that Logan was abusive to EJ. Then she changed that and stated (again on national TV) that Logan was never abusive to EJ - she even wanted to arrange a media stunt to apologize for having slandered him and said that he was. Then when she got arrested she flip flopped yet again and slandered Logan - again on TV.

It is Tammi trying to pin all this on EJ, and just listen to Tammi, recorded in her own words - she doesn't deny it when EJ over and over says that Tammi set it all up.

I know the journal was mentioned by LE (?) earlier, but do we know exactly what was in the journal? I hope they charge Tammi for conspiracy, and kidnapping, and let a jury decide, as someone else has already said.

 

[CathyinTexas]

Sorry I have not read the thread yet, but did the tape come from LE or her friend SS?
Did SS provide the third party calling?


I should have waited until the morning to listen to that tape -- Tammi's voice on this tape is going to give me nightmares -- EJ even sounds afraid of Tammi IMO

"there are no dots that connect to me" says Tammi -- what innocent person thinks up that in the spur of a supposedly surprising accusation?

Tammi also says that she will sue EJ for destroying their lives -- and when asked how, she said that EJ's lies had destroyed her life-- but this was the first time according to Tammi herself that EJ accused Tammi of setting it all up, so what lies is Tammi refering to at this point that ruined their lives?

What I find also intersesting is that
Tammi admits to suggesting that EJ go to a shelter on this tape, and I don't believe she has ever owned up to that before! When she was backpeddling about her FB post about the shelter, she was adamant that EJ told her that she had contacted shelters, not that she had suggested EJ go to a shelter
I thought she was trying to convince EJ to come back to AZ

So many lies
So evil

There was a witness who overheard a conversation we think was between E and T, when she said "You want me to go back there?!" The tone, etc, does sound like it is more, YOU want me to go BACK there? which insinuates it was Tammi who sent her there. Also, maybe there are no dots to connect (roll eyes) Tammi to having friends in San Antonio, but as someone has said, she could have sent someone to SA to meet up with E because of the ease of adoption there. We have learned that the hotel was regularly used by bio Mom's to give there baby up for adoption. E also didn't sound to me like a woman who could have learned all this on her own, or organized what did take place. But T? Definitely. She was paying attention to dots. Who thinks of that in a time like this, if they are innocent?

 

[kappy50]

JS said they wrote everything down. I didn't see where he or TPS said they recorded it. Am I missing something here.....

 

[BeanE]

I know the journal was mentioned by LE (?) earlier, but do we know exactly what was in the journal? I hope they charge Tammi for conspiracy, and kidnapping, and let a jury decide, as someone else has already said.

The info on the journal came from Ken, Logan's PI. The no discussion thread on Ken's info is probably the best/easiest/fastest one to get the journal info from.

 

[daisy7]

I had assumed that Tammi gave Yami the tape to 'exonerate' herself. Why would LE give Yami the tape? Why would SS have the tape? I don't imagine he and Tammi are very good friends with him under the mindset that Tammi betrayed EJ etc. Unless... he befriended Tammi under the guise of wanting to help Tammi in order to actually help EJ, and Tammi gave him the tape and he gave it to Yami.

How would Tammi get a copy of the tape? IMO, LE gave it to Yami. And, when are we gonna hear the whole call??

 

[BeanE]

There was a witness who overheard a conversation we think was between E and T, when she said "You want me to go back there?!" The tone, etc, does sound like it is more, YOU want me to go BACK there? which insinuates it was Tammi who sent her there.

Are you referring to the babysitter overhearing Elizabeth on the phone? Or what overheard conversation?

We have learned that the hotel was regularly used by bio Mom's to give there baby up for adoption.

This is a rumor that has taken legs after being repeated over and over and over. The closest thing to support that this could be factual that has arisen was an article in which the reporter cited an unnamed source for the info. That's just not enough to support it as fact. Unless and until a credible source surfaces for this, we need to be sure we don't state it as fact.

 

[BeanE]

How would Tammi get a copy of the tape? IMO, LE gave it to Yami. And, when are we gonna hear the whole call??

I thought Tammi said she had recorded it. I would have to look it up to swear to it, though.

Why would LE give evidence to a reporter?

ETA: Reading back through this thread:
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94555"]EJ's phone call to TPS 1/22 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

I don't think Tammi recorded it. I also don't think LE would give evidence to a reporter. So where would a recording of this phone call come from? Well it was a third party phone call which isn't permitted. I'm thinking that maybe it was SS who set up and recorded the call. i.e., EJ calls SS on his cell, then SS does a third party call through to TPS and records it. The thread I just linked explains much better than that how this can be done.

Just... wow! at the thought that Tammi may never have expected a recording of this phone call to be released!

 

[BeanE]

JS said they wrote everything down. I didn't see where he or TPS said they recorded it. Am I missing something here.....

Oh that's interesting. I thought Tammi said she recorded it. I'm going to dig a little more.

ETA: Holy carp! Reading back, we had some extensive conversations about whether it was recorded, and I don't think Tammi recorded it!

 

[BeanE]

From Fox Phoenix, article and video:

Jailhouse Phone Call: Elizabeth Johnson & Tammi Smith
If alive, baby Gabriel turns 1 May 3

Updated: Tuesday, 04 May 2010, 6:05 AM MDT
Published : Monday, 03 May 2010, 10:23 PM MDT

Elizabeth: Yeah you set it all up they were your friends.
Tammi: No they weren't! Then what's their names if they're my friends?
Elizabeth: I don't know you set it all up in San Antonio.
Tammi: I talked about San Antonio? Elizabeth I don't know anyone in San Antonio, they already did the research and found I don't know anyone in San Antonio. There are no dots that connect me to you in San Antonio.
Elizabeth: Then it was Jack's friends like you said.

From day one, Smith has denied knowing about Gabriel's whereabouts. But Johnson says it was Smith's advice that landed her in jail.

Elizabeth: You told me to go to a shelter and pretend I was being beat.
Tammi: No, I told you instead of running and hiding and changing your identity go to a shelter don't just go run and hide your identity. What was illegal?
Elizabeth: From the very beginning it was illegal, lying about the paternity of the fatherhood, putting your cousin's name.
Tammi: In my mind that wasn't anything illegal. That was me helping you fill out your paperwork.

During the entire conversation, Smith never admits to having a couple pick up the baby at a San Antonio park Dec. 27.

Tammi: Just so you know we will be suing you.
Elizabeth: For what? What did I do to you?
Tammi: For ruining our lives.
Elizabeth: You ruined my life!
Tammi: I didn't tell you any lies.
Elizabeth: Tou ruined my life from the very beginning. I trusted you I believed you. You are totally not the person you said you were.
Tammi: Elizabeth you have destroyed our lives!

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/phoenix/missing-baby-jailhouse-phone-call-5-3-2010

Phone call video is still available on Fox San Antonio:
http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_1989.shtml

 

[momtective]

There is one thing missing on this call that makes me believe it was set up by LE...that pesky little voice that constantly reminds you "This call originated from a Maricopa correctional facility, the party making this call is an inmate at a Maricopa correctional facility."

 

[CathyinTexas]

Yes, this is the call that did not have a caller ID and it was a long call per Tammi
I think it is important to keep in mind that all of the information about the call came from Tammi until today
I am not sure an exact minute count was given --- are you mixing this call up with the first jailhouse "interview" in Florida?

I also think it might be true that Tammi contacted the media about the call from EJ
The call allegedly happened around the 22nd of January, but the stories and interviews about the call did not happen until the next week -- Monday if I remember correctly

I think that Tammi told the media herself in an effort to control information-- she would not know it would take this long for the recording to surface, just my guess

I don't know if she thought of the possibility of LE setting up the call or not

We still don't know where this tape came from right?
I am leaning toward the possibility of her friend setting the call up just because of the timing of this tape being released

Just my thoughts

I think you are right. Especially the part about control. what do you mean, though, her friend setting the call up?

 

[CathyinTexas]

Could this be why Tammi Smith has just a couple THOUSAND friends on FB? Takes a lot of time to track who is relevant?

yes that is strange, for anyone to have that many FB friends, except for celebrities. Possibly they don't have that many. Why do so many people think Tammi is the heroine and also victim in all of this? I don't think E is either of those, but she was definitely used and led to do the things she has done, in my opinion. Do any of you think that when EJ reported that Logan kidnapped Gabriel, that was Tammi's idea, also? Can any of us here at WS connect the dots for LE?

 

[TXHOPE]

Doesn't LE occasionally release recorded inmate phone calls? Like how they did with Casey Anthony and the Croslins? They have remained so tight lipped in this case though. The fact that EJ was so calm did make me feel like she was sitting in front of LE and knew what she was going to say before making the call. JMO

 

[CathyinTexas]

Can a 3rd party (ie. SS) actually set up a call for EJ from jail? I didn't know it was possible?

But it also doesn't seem like LE is the one releasing this tape, no comments from LE at all regarding the content, and why now? why so late?

Not sure what to think, and who to believe anymore :banghead:

1 more thing - sitting back after listening to the video a few times, does anyone find it odd how calm EJ seemed while talking to TS? TS was freaking out. If EJ was sitting in jail (a few weeks already by then) for something she didn't plan, and knowing the person on the phone is the one who is guilty and actually NOT in jail, and who CAN get her out by providing a name, wouldn't EJ be freaking out at TS, and asking TS to give up the name to LE already? Instead, she's very calm, and saying, yeah, they're your friends, or Jack's friends like you said. I'm still not sure what to think, so not suggesting either way...

EJ is a troubled young woman, and to me, she sounded pretty meek. If she had sounded angry, in control and intimidating, I would be less likely to believe her. Also, it is the words that were spoken by each that heighten my suspicions that EJ was the truthful one in this instance.

 

[BeanE]

Do any of you think that when EJ reported that Logan kidnapped Gabriel, that was Tammi's idea, also?

I think Tammi is just chock full of fun ideas that Elizabeth would find all too entertaining. What a pair!

Overall, I get the idea that Tammi was assuring Elizabeth that her fun ideas weren't illegal, and for some reason, instead of checking out the legalities, Elizabeth just believed and trusted Tammi that they weren't illegal. Maybe because Tammi is a common criminal, EJ figured she'd know how to skate on the edge of the law without going over it.

 

[Boo Scout]

I love listening to this. Listening to what Tammi *doesn't* deny. Amazing.

ETA: Like this:

EJ-everything you told me to do from the very beginning was illegal, lyeing about the paternity of the fatherhood, putting your cousins name

TS Yeah, OK, in my mind that wasn't illegal, that was helping you fill out your
paperwork (there is something else here, but I cant figure it out.)

EJ- You told me to go to a shelter and pretend like I was being beat!!!

TS-(clears throat?) No, I told youinstead of running and hideing, and changeing your identity, go to a, go to a shelter, dont just run and go hide your identity.

Look at that! Elizabeth confirms Logan wasn't abusive. And it was Tammi's idea to pretend he was!!! And Tammi admits it!!! No wonder Tammi leaped onto nationwide TV with her load of BS. She had some big time covering up to do.

And obviously, Elizabeth didn't want to pretend Logan was beating her. She knew she couldn't! No evidence!

Oh Tammi, what have you done?

:croc:

Thanks BeanE for pointing these out...these are my favorite parts of this call - because it confirms that Logan was not abusive and that paternity is not in question!

I acknowledge that this is not the whole call, but based on what has been released, it's hard (for me at least) not to draw the conclusion that Tammi DID set this up and that Elizabeth is telling the truth.

How do you not define lying about paternity as lying? Instead, Tammi passes that off as being helpful. What ethical person can rationalize that away in their mind? And some of the others words she uses just strike me as so carefully chosen, and not the words of someone innocent but rather the words of someone thinking only of protecting herself.

The other thing that strikes me was already mentioned here, I believe by Prof. I believe Tammi went on the offensive by talking about this phone call with the press back in January. She was trying to spin it her way.

Finally, I really believe there are reasons things happen the way they happen, and I believe that this recording was released now for a good reason.

 

[BeanE]

Doesn't LE occasionally release recorded inmate phone calls? Like how they did with Casey Anthony and the Croslins? They have remained so tight lipped in this case though. The fact that EJ was so calm did make me feel like she was sitting in front of LE and knew what she was going to say before making the call. JMO

LE released inmate phone calls via discovery, but AZ is known for being extremely tight on releasing documents etc. If LE released a phone call, it would indeed be released to the media, so it is possible that Yami requested this recording, and LE released it to her.

Maybe the easiest thing to do is to ask Yami where she got the audio, or at least ask if she'll confirm or deny that she got it from LE.

ETA: The more I think about this, the more I think this is the case. Because of the known difficulty in records in AZ, I was discounting it. But thinking about it, this is what makes most sense - that Yami submitted a request for release of this audio to LE, and LE, for whatever reasons they had, decided that this time, they would release. And that's a very interesting scenario, if so.

 

[CathyinTexas]

I thought Tammi said she had recorded it. I would have to look it up to swear to it, though.

Why would LE give evidence to a reporter?

ETA: Reading back through this thread:
EJ's phone call to TPS 1/22 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

I don't think Tammi recorded it. I also don't think LE would give evidence to a reporter. So where would a recording of this phone call come from? Well it was a third party phone call which isn't permitted. I'm thinking that maybe it was SS who set up and recorded the call. i.e., EJ calls SS on his cell, then SS does a third party call through to TPS and records it. The thread I just linked explains much better than that how this can be done.

Just... wow! at the thought that Tammi may never have expected a recording of this phone call to be released!

That does make sense. He believes EJ and is trying to help. It would be great to get someone that does voice analysis to evaluate the conversation. Maybe it could be determined who, if either, was truthful.